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Anyone looking at 6th forms for their LO's? How much input have you got?

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MaureenMLove · 09/11/2011 20:10

I think I've come to the end of the line with my advice and input. I don't want to have a row with her, it is, afterall her life not mine.

I just wish I could convince her that unless she choses a good broad range of subjects, she might regret it later! She's not a 10 A student, but she is predicted A-C in all her subjects.

She just seems to want to concentrate on 'easy' subjects! Those are her words, not mine. She's just told me, after a visit to another 6th form, that she could do Art, because 'I can easily get a good grade in that and Sociology because 'the course content is easy'. So she's now thinking of doing 2 art AS/A2 and Sociology. And nothing else! Arrgghhh!!

I give up!

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cricketballs · 09/11/2011 20:45

I went through the 6th form open evenings last year! (As well as teaching 6th form myself...)

The only advise I can give, is if your DD has a particular field she would like to study at uni - then show her the entry requirements (its quite a shock to some of them!) and see if there are any current 6th formers studying the subjects she wants to do that she can speak to

if she hasn't, then whilst you can try to steer her towards academic subjects (try really talking up the subjects she enjoys at school) there isn't a lot you can do as she has to study the subjects that she enjoys or there would be no point in her continuing on

MaureenMLove · 09/11/2011 21:04

Thanks for your advce. Smile What's the deal with points on AS and A2? I kinda get it, but not completely!

I tried to explain in very basic terms about it, when she suggested just 3 subjects. I suggested that a 4th subject might be the difference in points she needs/wants if she doesn't do as fantastically in the subjects she reckons are easy to her! Completely fallen on deaf ears though!

I have a feeing she's not confident in her abilities, so she thinks she's going to do badly in her GCSE options. She never does badly in any of her subjects, so I haven't got a clue why! I'm hoping on 23rd August, she'll have a pleasant surprise and it'll raise her confidence in doing something else.

I work on 'the inside' so to speak. In fact I work for the KS5 Director of Learning, so I do know what I'm talking about, when I say Geography is a far better choice than Sociology, but as is normal, when do they listen to mother! Grin

Tomorrow, is her own 6th form open evening, so I'm hoping her subject teachers are there to help and we have an academic tutor day next week too, which will help.

I just don't want her to put all her eggs in one basket, but as I said to my boss this morning, she has enough support at home, that she won't end up working in Asda, she will achieve, but it's damn hard work helping her get there!

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cory · 10/11/2011 09:10

In the long run, what will decide whether she works in Asda or not is not her home support but what she actually wants, so that is the bit you both have to work on: identifying something she might actually want.

(My db, who had all possible support from his academic parents, ended up working on a trawler- both unskilled and very dangerous- because that turned out to be what he wanted and going to uni was not. It worked out in the end and he has done well out of a maritime career, but ultimately it was a case of leading the horse to water. Otoh another sibling of mine ended up a university professor and head of department- because that was what he wanted)

Once she has identified the kind of path she might want to take it will be much easier to show her what will be required- and very likely she has totally unrealistic ideas of that. (dd has spent some time lately trying to convince one of her friends that a vocational college that specialises in animal care is not the ideal choice for somebody aspiring to become a marine biologist).

BertieBotts · 10/11/2011 09:53

What does she want to do in the long run?

The thing I found quite frustrating about "easy" subjects (I did media studies because I genuinely wanted to work in the media) was that a lot of other people had picked it because they thought it would be a "doss" and so messed around and generally took up a lot of the teacher's time meaning they didn't have as much energy to input into those of us who actually took it seriously. I got a D in Media, having been a strictly A-C GCSE student, and probably one of the more computer literate in the class as well. I got my results when I was working in an actual media company - so was clearly more than a D student to get hired!

The other thing I'd want to warn her of (though she may not listen) is that A Levels are a completely different ballgame to GCSEs. You might coast through GCSEs with a fairly low amount of effort, if you are bright and suited to the format, but A Levels will tax you and will require a lot more work to be put in.

Art is not "easy" - it requires a lot in terms of scrapbooking, prep and pre-prep work, and can be hard to get a good grade in. If she likes art and is good at it then it's a good option to pick, but she will need to be motivated and expect to put a lot of hours in - much more than an essay based subject.

Sociology is one of the options people often pick because it's seen as "easy". If she's an A*-C student then it probably isn't a good choice for her. Psychology or Philosophy would probably be better. This is just because if she's always been in top sets she'll probably find it frustrating that others in the class are messing around. Plus Sociology as an A Level is not that well respected when it comes to uni/job applications. If she wants to go on to a Sociology related course at uni, she doesn't need the Sociology A Level anyway. If she was at a slightly lower level academically then it might be a good stepping stone, but at her ability if she went on to do Sociology later she will find she's going over a lot of stuff again which she'd probably understand if coming across it for the first time at degree level anyway.

It's better to do 4 subjects in AS and then most people drop one when moving to A2, so they can better focus on the three they choose. Very often the one they imagine they will drop changes by the end of the year. I think this is a really important point! Also, if she does 4 then she will have room for at least one less serious option if she wants to do this.

It is an unusual decision to make at 16, but perhaps it would be worth her taking a year out to do full time work if she wants a break from academic stuff? This will also have the effect that she will see what menial work is like which might give her a kick up the bum to start investing more in her education! Wink If she needs to justify this later on UCAS personal statement or a job application she could say something like that she wanted to gain some real life experience before deciding on her options so that she had a good idea of what she wanted to do.

Did my A levels in 2007 BTW so I don't imagine things have changed much :)

gettingalifenow · 10/11/2011 12:13

Let me second the advice that Art is not an easy subject. I suppose you can get a D or E in it without much effort but wha'ts the point?

If you want a good grade, you'll find you have to work harder at Art than at any other subject...

Hopefully at her subject evening the teachers will be able to help her with options she maybe hasnt even thought of? Once she has the enthusiam for the subjects then she might want to work hard at them.

Or maybe A levels are not for her and a different route might be better?

scaryteacher · 10/11/2011 16:01

Went to one in UK a couple of weeks ago, and will have to approach proper boarding schools if he doesn't get in for this state college with boarding.

Ds academic but lazy. He wants to do
History
Classical Civilisation
Govt and Politics
Philosophy

and read History at Uni.

I think from reading the Trinity Cambridge list and the RG guidance that these should be OK. He's doing IGCSEs so should have a good enough grounding for AS level, although the work ethic may be lacking a bit.

MaureenMLove · 11/11/2011 19:27

Thanks for your comments everyone. Her art is very good. That is the one subject that she has been working at an A* grade for about the last year, so I would never suggest she shouldn't carry on with it.

After last nights Post 16 meeting at her school, I was much more encouraged by what her own teachers were saying. Pretty much the same as you guys and what I have tried to convince her!

I'm going to take a back seat now and wait to hear what her tutor has to say, at tutoring day next week. She was one of the teachers saying the right things last night and she loves her, so with a bit of luck, before September next year, she'll have made more changes! Grin

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