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what happens in pre-school nursery for 3-4 year olds

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kleist · 06/12/2005 22:48

Dd's 3 and 2 months and has been going to a playgroup 5 mornings a week which is closing at Christmas. She's due to start at the nursery of a local primary school which seems quite nice but is much more busy than her playgroup. There are 50 children there - 25 full time and 25 part-time and only 5 members of staff - is that about normal? It was easy to see what kinds of activities she was doing at her playgroup but visiting the school nursery it seemed much less structured. They basically do free play for the first 2 hours and then sit down for a story etc. 30 minutes before the end.

I wondered if any of you could compare how our child's nursery works / what they do?

TIA

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Tommy · 06/12/2005 23:07

I'd be surprised if it was 2 hours of free play. In my DS's school nursery they have circle time, then choosing (free play) then snack time, the group time (more structured )then song/story time and anything else they do as part of the school (assembly etc)put in whenever.
In his nursery there are also 50 children - 25 in the morning and 25 in the afternoon with one teacher and 2 classrooms assistants. They also seem to have child care students in there quite a bit too. That seems a bout the norm for school nurseries round here [smile[

JingEllBells · 06/12/2005 23:15

In my dd's nursery there are 18 children (mornings; similar afternoons I think) with one teacher and one nursery nurse. I don't know exactly how their 2.5 hours are structured, but I know that they have 'carpet time' when they go in, a certain amount of free play, but also snacks/milk, outdoor play (in two groups of 9), and they have 'themes' that they will talk about/work on for a week or so (e.g. about holidays, or the weather, or shapes, etc.). They have just recently started doing a 'letter of the week'. So it might be 'b' and they will practice writing (tracing) it, find objects beginning with it, etc.

At this school they tend to move into the Reception class part-time once they are 4, though (and go full-time in the term in which they are 5) and there the organisation is more structured and 'school-like'.

It is all quite unstructured, but I am fairly certain that there is research that shows that 3/4 year olds learn best in this sort of unstructured way. I'm no expert, but I have a friend who is the Head of a nursery school (Beacon School, loads of prizes and accolades, classed as outstanding by Ofsted... but far away from where I now live, sadly!) who is very insistent on the fact that the kids should pretty much have free choice of what they do. She says that some will choose to do, say, painting every day for the first week or two, but they soon get bored and want to try a greater variety of activities. But she would never force them, say, to 'come and do some counting' (or whatever).

I hope this helps.

kleist · 06/12/2005 23:22

Thanks both! Well, the teacher who showed us round said it was free play between 9-11 am. I was surprised. At her playgroup they have a theme and an activity set up at a main table which they encourage the children to all have a go at, 4 at a time. Then there's free play in between and 30 mins carpet time, 15 mins story. The 4-year-olds also go off to a different space for half an hour to do 'reading and writing' leaving the littler ones with more space to wander.

We've got an open day visit at the school on Thursday afternoon so I guess I'll be able to ask questions. But it seemed remarkably unstructured. Even the snacks were just left on a table in the middle of the room (a bowl of apples and some cartons of milk) for them to help themselves whenever ...

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Tommy · 06/12/2005 23:27

mmmmm - I don't think I would like that snack time thing but from you've said in your last post it sounds like there's a little more structure - group time, outdoor play etc.
I giess you can just go along and see what feel you get for the place - IME that's always the most important thing anyway. Good luck

kleist · 06/12/2005 23:36

Tommy, the structured stuff I mentioned is at her current playgroup. The school nursery has the fruit / milk on the table the whole time. I couldn't see any structure.

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JingEllBells · 07/12/2005 09:57

Hiya again

I'd definitely ask about whether they have 'themes', what they do in group time, etc., when you go round. OTOH, my dd's nursery also has the snacks and milk out for them to help themselves whenever they like... on the basis that they are more likely to drink the milk/eat the fruit when they are thirsty/hungry rather than being told 'now it's milk time' when they don't actually want it. (I also wonder whether they are thinking that perhaps in some families the kids may not get much in the way of breakfast, so having the stuff available from the start means that the child can 'fill up' with something at the start if s/he needs it... just a thought).

sinclair · 07/12/2005 12:18

We have 2 hours free play and 30 minutes group time for the part time children (the vast majority of those attending) Free play is just that - they choose whether to play inside or out, and whether to take part in some of the table top activities that are laid out, or paint, or do woodwork or run around. DS spent the first term sitting in a push along car watching what the others were doing - all quite normal apparently!

The exception is swimming, two groups are scheduled during free play time, names are up when you go in so you can see whether it is your turn or not, seems to come around every 10 days or so. But they all seem to love that and don't mind being interrupted.

Each half term there is a theme, and activities are of course carefully designed to cover early years curriculum etc but without any formal 'teaching'. Sounds very similar to the nursery you are looking at - I'm sure the head will be able to articulate this learning through play thing better than me, but it has been a brilliant intro to world of education for our two.

kleist · 07/12/2005 13:47

sinclair, that sounds exactly like this school. Except there's no swimming. Is this a good way to learn then? I guess I was hoping there might be a bit of time for dd to sit with a few others and a teacher and practise some drawing / writing like she does in her current playgroup. But I'm happy to listen to professional opinions!

Jing, dd never eats breakfast despite being offered many delicious options but does eat all her fruit and milk at playgroup, but only when prompted. I doubt somehow she'd help herself. Especially as the bowl of apples had skins on. She won't eat skins. Sigh ...

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sinclair · 07/12/2005 14:15

hi Kleist, it has worked very well for us, child learns through an activity he is interested in rather than being told what to 'learn' when. DD has SEN and we wanted a setting that didn't make too many demands on her, and DS is a running around rather than a sitting and reading kinda guy, so this approach suited both children brilliantly. Lots of the parents (particularly the dads!) initially express unease that they don't appear to learning anything - ie they don't go home reciting the alphabet or whatever - but then become converts once they see how much a child absorbs when it is on his or her terms.

The potential disadvantage is that the more formal setting of reception often comes as a bit of a shock, tho as in your case nursery is attached to school (?) which should make transition easier.

But it is one of those very personal decisions - some people understandably are in no hurry to start any sort of 'education', others really want the formal, structured day - you will know what would suit your child best.

kleist · 07/12/2005 14:56

Thanks for this, sinclair. I think you're right about them learning when they want to. I'm an artist and have been so keen for dd to show an interest in drawing / painting and when I saw the facilities at her playgroup for it I was thrilled. But she didn't have the slightest urge to use them until about a week ago and now ALL she does there is draw and paint. Previously it was sand pit mania.

Having said that, I was surprised that there was NO structure at the school nursery. Even for snacks. I'd slightly worry about dd on that front. I'll quiz them more about it tomorrow. They're very good there, they're even coming on home visits to see what the child's home environment is like / chat more personally to parents.

But 50 kids at one time! And only 10 staff. It seems so busy. Inner city I guess.

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