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League Tables - how can this be?

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flashingnose · 02/12/2005 13:02

The school at the top of our county's league table has got 100% for all three subjects. Looking at the small print, 18.6% of pupils have special educational needs. All pupils sat the test, so unless SEN means something completely different these days, how can all of them score full marks??

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DinosaurInAManger · 02/12/2005 13:04

How many pupils sat the test altogether? If it's only a small number, then you might not need very many pupils to have SEN. And the SEN in question might be of the type that don't necessarily affect academic ability, e.g. Asperger's.

ENIDeepMidwinter · 02/12/2005 13:10

dd1s primary has, according to the tables, 25% SEN pupils and 100% in English and Science

agree it seems strange

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flashingnose · 02/12/2005 13:12

OK, have delved further - looks like 4 children have SEN, so could well be that all 4 have AS or similar. Misleading though.

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cupcakesbakingonanopenfire · 02/12/2005 13:15

on the topic, how does this look: 81 for English, 68 for Maths and 81 for Science. It's for the school ds is going to go (Y3 up). It's not as good as I had hoped. There's another school near us getting 92,95,100.
Am not really worried but just wondered how it compares.

ENIDeepMidwinter · 02/12/2005 13:18

so 25% of roughly 80 pupils is 20 kids with SN

there is no way there are 20 kids with aspergers at dds school

if they ALL do the test for the league tables HOW can they get 100% in English and Science???

Normsnockers · 02/12/2005 13:20

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flashingnose · 02/12/2005 13:23

I think it's just one year - I know our school's results are wildly up and down for that very reason.

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Normsnockers · 02/12/2005 13:26

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Ailsa · 02/12/2005 13:27

click here for access to current and previous years

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flashingnose · 02/12/2005 13:28

I live in a grammar school area - people would sell their own Granny to get their kids into them .

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zebratwizzler · 02/12/2005 14:32

Normsnockers: people do a that a lot; it's well documented (I can find a research paper or 2, if you want). Esp. for secondary schools, effectively the rich do get the opportunity for better education because they can afford to pay: either by paying fees or by paying for more expensive housing.

PreggieMum · 02/12/2005 14:44

Aren't the percentages just the % of pupils that obtained level 4 or above? Also I think the %s are just the % of eligible pupils. Some SEN pupils may not be eligible.

Blandmum · 02/12/2005 14:46

Depend what the SN are, could be motor problems, or other access issues that wouldn't affect the 'academic# performance

Normsnockers · 02/12/2005 14:59

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Glitterygook · 02/12/2005 15:06

And can't SEN include things like gifted children? I'm sure children can be statemented for for being exceptionally bright as well as for needing extra support because they are struggling for whatever reason.

Ds1's school got 99% for English, 99% for Maths, 100% for science. Yes, people move into the area for that and the house prices reflect it (although surrounding schools are not far behind so it's quite a large area that people move into for a number of school iyswim.

Glitterygook · 02/12/2005 15:08

Ooh, have just seen our borough is ranked 2nd based on average score too - so that supports what I just said about the area.

DinosaurInAManger · 02/12/2005 15:08

A child wouldn't afaik get a statement for being gifted and talented - they are quite hard to get - my DS is on the SEN register but doesn't have a statement.

Blandmum · 02/12/2005 15:11

I can't see many, if any kids getting a statement for g and t. school action would do most, school action plus if they were right off the charts.

I am working with children who are 4 years behind their reading age. They only merit school action plus . I cant see many leas forking out cash for g and t kids

Glitterygook · 02/12/2005 16:00

Well maybe not G&T - I'm sure I remember reading something and thought 'oh, it's not just children with ADHD etc'. I'm not explaining myself very well! I'll see if I can find what I'm on about!

Blandmum · 02/12/2005 16:05

Just as a for instance, I have taught several children with statements at A level. These have included children with ASD, ADHD and dylexia, as well as sight and hearing problems.

There can be a range of special needs, that do not mean the child will always underperform

Glitterygook · 02/12/2005 16:06

I think that's what I mean mb - I was getting confused!

Epiffany · 02/12/2005 16:22

We moved for schools.
DS was in yr 6 and we needed to get him into a very academic school, could not afford prviate schooling as have dd 3 with SN.
So we moved from Hants to Lincs
To this primary
here

Now ds is in a very high attaining grammar school and very happy.
And housing is cheaper, we're nearer villages not cities
ahhhh

Epiffany · 02/12/2005 16:22

Also are Gifted kids sometimes down as SEN?

Blandmum · 02/12/2005 16:43

Yes, sometimes, but I have never come across one that is statemented for g and T

seb1 · 02/12/2005 16:55

This all sounds so confusing I am glad I live in Scotland