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Can Head Teachers get supply teachers to cover classes if teachers strike?

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NoelEdmondshair · 21/06/2011 13:28

Just wondering.

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clam · 22/06/2011 21:16

They will if productivity is adversely affected.

LindyHemming · 22/06/2011 21:17

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NoelEdmondshair · 22/06/2011 23:42

Productivity won't be adversely affected, most parents will find a way of getting into work even if it means paying money they can ill afford for childcare. I'm a SAHM and will be looking after (for free obviously) two of DD's friends next Thursday.

Why do parents and pupils need to be incovenienced because teachers are going to be working as long as they are? If you want to protest about the changes to your pensions then talk to the government, don't alienate the parents. Trust me, we won't be contacting our MPs or Cameron demanding they give into your demands.

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TeamLemon · 22/06/2011 23:58

Teaching Unions are talking to the government. In fact, a rather solid agreement was reached with regard pensions several years ago, and the teachers pension scheme is now sustainable.
This industrial action is because the government want to renege on that deal and steal from the teachers pension scheme to balance the economy. You know? The economy that the bankers fucked up and haven't had to redress? The government are robbing Peter to pay Paul.

The unions need to put a strong case to the government that teachers will not take this lying down. We've had enough.

LawrieMarlow · 23/06/2011 00:12
TeamLemon · 23/06/2011 00:27

The NUT is encouraging all members to contact their MP.

Sarah199 · 24/06/2011 11:54

I am disgusted that the teachers are taking this strike action and holding our children to ransom. They will not get public support for this. In the private sector we have all had to accept the changes to our pensions and are thankful that we still have one.

I have tackled our head teacher about what attempts were made to keen the school open. We are a small primary with just 4 class teachers. All teachers are in one of the two unions and are choosing to strike. The head teacher has been told she is not allowed to go to an agency and employ temp teachers for the day. They came up with another idea which was 2 retired teachers agreed to volunteer to cover, and with the head and support staff could have kept the school open. When they checked this with North Somerset Council they were advised not to go down this route as it is "unchartered teritory". Do you know if this is correct? The goverment is asking heads to keep schools open but how can they is these options are not available.

meditrina · 24/06/2011 12:18

The "solid agreement" still stands - the 2007 arrangements are clear that the contributions are made up of the SCR (standard contribution rate) plus an actuarially calculated supplement. So potential increases are part of the existing scheme. And sustainability is not immutable - it has been in deficit in recent years and with increasing longevity will be so again.

Raising the retirement age, which is hitting the entire workforce, is an issue though, as I do not see why the normal retirement age is increasing by more than that required of other workers (for teachers it appears to be 68, not 66). But perhaps this is foreshadowing 68 for all of us?

clam · 24/06/2011 19:07

Sarah199, supply teachers or retired, HTs are not allowed to cover for striking teachers.

MaureenMLove · 24/06/2011 20:13

Our teachers have been told NOT to provide cover work for their lessons, when they are striking on Thursday.

TBH, their cover work is usually rubbish or non existant anyway, so that wouldn't make a whole load of difference to my Cover Supervisors, but that's a whole other thread! Grin

EndoplasmicReticulum · 24/06/2011 20:14

Maureen are you covering for striking teachers?

Panzee · 24/06/2011 20:20

Maureen maybe the teachers resent planning work for non-teachers to deliver. I know I would (again, whole other thread :) )

ilovemydogandMrObama · 24/06/2011 20:20

I don't understand why people are saying that supply teachers cannot cover striking teacher's classes? In strikes, the management will try and cover the job. whether they manage it or not is another story, but if a supply teacher is non union or union and decides to break the strike, then they will probably be asked.

aliceliddell · 24/06/2011 20:21

Sarah199, don't you find the coconut fibres itchy? And was it painful to get 'Welcome' tattooed on your back?

Feenie · 24/06/2011 20:22

From the NAHt FAQs:

"Can I use supply teachers to cover the classes of those teachers on strike?

No. Legislation specifically forbids agencies from supplying workers to replace employees taking industrial action."

mrz · 24/06/2011 20:22

Teachers shouldn't be asked to plan work for cover supervisors because legally cover supervisors are cheap babysitters

mrz · 24/06/2011 20:24

ilovemydogandMrObama if the industrial action is legal (as this is) they can not cover classes they would not normally be covering

basingstoke · 24/06/2011 20:26

Cover supervisors do an excellent job and I am happier setting work I know will be supervised by a CS than having it ignored by a teacher who spends the time doing their own work and not bothering whether mine is done or not.

mrz · 24/06/2011 20:27

then you seem to be in a minority basingstoke

EndoplasmicReticulum · 24/06/2011 20:29

I'd like to have cover supervisors at our school. But are they supposed to be covering striking teachers?

Feenie · 24/06/2011 20:30

Yes - cover supervisors are excellent childminders. If you want your children babysat.

mrz · 24/06/2011 20:32

Why would you like to have cover supervisors EndoplasmicReticulum? (genuine question) [puzzled] I want to see my children taught not minded.

basingstoke · 24/06/2011 20:36

If a secondary teacher is away, your child will not be taught. If another teacher covers the lesson, they will do what a cover supervisor does but probably try to do their own work at the same time.

Donki · 24/06/2011 20:39

As a supply teacher I ALWAYS tried to teach according to the work that had been set by the class teacher. Under "rarely cover", the school cannot ask its own teachers to cover lessons for teachers who are away.

Donki · 24/06/2011 20:40

And to re-iterate the other various replies.
NO it the answer to the OP

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