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Teachers - Do you teach in a state or private school?

125 replies

MeantToStopAtTwo · 19/06/2011 12:26

How did you end up in that sector? Was it an active choice? If so, why? Would you consider working in the other sector?

OP posts:
diabolo · 21/06/2011 20:35

thebest I got flamed earlier too. Shall we form a club? Grin

sunshineatlast · 21/06/2011 20:37

State.
Love it.
Im not posh enough for private.

diabolo · 21/06/2011 20:38

sunshine you really do not have to be posh to work in a private school. Or are you just adding fuel to the fire?

Smile
thebestisyettocome · 21/06/2011 20:40

diabolo.

Yes. What shall we call ourselves?

sunshineatlast · 21/06/2011 20:40
Grin
diabolo · 21/06/2011 20:45

Don't know about the name sunshine. "Sanity", perhaps? (Maybe a bit too much like a brand of tampon) Confused

Got to go.

EndoplasmicReticulum · 21/06/2011 22:29

If you need to be posh to teach in an independent school then I'm in the wrong job.....

Dozer · 22/06/2011 18:58

Do the teacher's pension proposals suggest not allowing teachers in private schools and their employers to continue in the scheme? If so, could reduce mobility.

EndoplasmicReticulum · 22/06/2011 19:00

Dozer you are correct - see ATL statement here:

www.atl.org.uk/Images/ATL%20statement%20to%20IS%20parents.pdf

qumquat · 26/06/2011 13:05

State. Would never work in the private sector, I came into teaching to work with under-privileged (although I hate that phrase) kids.

coastgirl · 26/06/2011 13:32

State - I believe in state education and (gasp!) in universal comprehensive education.

jabed · 22/07/2011 07:03

Its any new idea for some isnt it? I think you need to think through very carefully exactly what this might mean - not just jump at the fact you wont have to find baby sitters for the summer or for some teachers think its the magic bullet that will fix your exam results or your SAT tests / progress grades. Let me tell you now, there is no magic bullet.

I worked in a school where they tried this ( very deprived rural school). It did not work. Yes, initially it seemed that there were benefits in academic achievements but soon it became clear that they children were having more time off for ( alledged) illness than before. Whilst there was some initial omprovement ( and change will bring that kind of improvement) in results , they fell back the following year and were even slightly worse.

Everyone thought it would benefit parents but even they complained about the long half terms and child care m so the issue was just re distributed.
At the end of the day they changed back because it simply was not popular with parents or children or even teachers , many of whom didnt seem to feel they had any holiday at all, were permanently tired and had more time off for illness also.
Thats just my experience of what happened. It was an experiment and it was a three year one off plan which was dumped as failure at the end.

I cannot say if there were any useful social spin offs like less vandalism.

Most countries have longer holidays that us and they still out perform us in the league tables so lets get real. OK a few countries do take shorter holidays and perform ( lets just say SE Asia for example) but they are few in number and if you look at the culture of those countries you will see that their attitude to education is very different. Kids from SE Asia do well in our system regardless of the long holidays ( and they love those holidays too once here) so problems in Britain wont be fixed by a few cosmetic changes to holiday patterns. Its deeper seated. Its in the attitude of children, the attitude of many parents and in the stupidity of teachers if I might make so bold, who do not not follow good educational practice when teaching. They are full of eduspeak and new methods and they dont seem to work. Its all fanciful , just as the holiday magic bullet is a fancy.

Seen it , done it, got the tee shirt and the DVD is an ineffective bird scarer on my bean patch.

Its just one more nail in the coffin of why I wont be sending my own DS to a state school any time soon.

bigTillyMint · 22/07/2011 07:10

State for 24 years Grin

jabed · 22/07/2011 07:13

oops sorry , dont know how I did that. In the wrong place.

HauntedLittleLunatic · 22/07/2011 07:24

I admit I have only read first 50 or so posts, so I am a) marking my place to finish reading later and b) my question may be answered. If it is feel free to point me towards appropriate post.

Could someone please summarize the main differences between state and private (particularly are terms and conditions different?) I embark on pgce in Sept and always assumed I would go straight to state and avoid private so I don't get trapped as I perceive it to be difficult to go back to state after private.

jabed · 22/07/2011 07:32

I dont think you can summarise terms and conditions in the independent sector. State sector of course are laid down.

Some folk argue from their experience that independent schools have longer daily hours and are required to do after school clubs etc but get longwer holidays. Some say we are paid better, some say we are not.

Nearly everyone agrees independent schools have smaller classes and that children are better behaved and so more teachable. That is often offset by pressure to get better exam results ( although not always).

Personally I have better hours, I spend less time preparing , have pleasant pupils ( but not smaller classes at my level which is A level , they are about the same) and I have much longer holidays. My pay is about the same as I would get in a state school
(maybe a fraction more now).

It really does depend on your school

robingood19 · 22/07/2011 12:48

Did any of you ever come across a TEACHER who needed MOTIVATING?

Or indeed one who was excessively motivated?

freerangeeggs · 22/07/2011 17:51

I teach in the state sector. I wouldn't completely rule out the private sector but I wouldn't choose it. From what I hear the kids are almost all very well-behaved, and I think it must get a bit boring. I like the bad 'uns :P

mrz · 23/07/2011 11:14

robingood
yes
and yes

TwinkleTops · 01/08/2011 13:56

Mostly taught in the state sector - but have also taught in independent schools. About a 90% to 10 % split.

rainbowtoenails · 01/08/2011 20:05

Sorry for hijack but do teachers in independents get fee reductions, and if so how much?

mrswoodentop · 02/08/2011 10:15

Depends on the school ,and more common at secondary level but it varies between half and two thirds off

Xenia · 02/08/2011 14:02

For our son we paid 15% of fees from age 4 - 13. We k now one couple where the husband was at that prep school - they had 3 sons in it virtually free education, a school house and then they all went at 13 to a leading public school virtually free too where their mother taught. If those fees are £25k a year x 3 children x 14 years that is about £1m which is about £1.8m when grossed up at 40% tax rate. Pretty good perk.

emptyshell · 02/08/2011 17:42

Done both (now do supply) - went state > independent > state... the independent stint was the worst career decision I ever made (but not all independents are created equally and this one was grossly mismanaged) - staff were walking out left right and centre to the extent that when the secretary quit we had one class teacher teaching and holding the school cordless phone to answer any reception enquiries, the cleaner quit - the teaching staff got asked to clean the school, the before and after-school club lady quit - guess who got asked to do the childcare from 7.30am?!

I'd work in a GOOD indi again, not a tiny mickey mouse one like that one (it's long-since closed... surprisingly!).

WillowFae · 03/08/2011 22:21

Independent. Not an active choice (although my children do go to a prep). During my PGCE I applied to anything that came up within travelling distance as I couldn't move due to family commitments. They just happened to be the ones who offered me a job!

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