Gifted and Talented

[nikkie]

I was just wondering what exactly is the criteria to be on the G&T ?

I think according to current National Curriculum guidelines the top 10% of a cohort are supposed to be considered G&T by the school, though this doesn't make much sense as ability levels vary vastly from school to school. "Gifted" generally means academic ability, "talented" generally means non-academic ability such as sports, music, art, drama etc. Please anyone correct me if I'm wrong.

dd is on a University G&T prgram, but haven't a clue as to what the differences are. She was nominated by the school.

In our authority gifted refers to a child with a high ability in one particular area such as maths. Talented means across the board. In reality they are lumped together.

The criteria is vague in that it's based on percentages therefore it varies from school to school. A child may be seen as very able in one school and gifted in another.

Some schools (and LEAs)have much better provisions in place than others. In our school these children are on an IEP but I know that is not the experience of other posters. (Frogs?)

There are reams and reams of published information on how G&T children should be identified. Some schools concentrate particularly on identifying under-achieving G&T children, which is obviously more tricky to do.

afaik ds was put on the register at school cos he was above the level of most of the work the class were doing and he seemed bored. that was the only reason i was given by his teacher

In our LEA , and the goverment guideline sugest that Gifted is Across the board, good at lots of 'academic' subjects. Talented is excelles in one thing, sport, drama music

MB-that is how I understood it but I work SEN so don't know about this really.

My dd1 is now (along with 1 friend) working on a much higher level than the rest of the class, Teacher is very good(yr 1) and encouraging her but just remembering at primary school I was like this (especially maths not now!) and was just left until other caught up.
I don't want this to happen with her but not sure whether she would actually be G&T when it comes to 'rules'

To a degree it depends how the rest of the class is doing. In all schools the top 5-10% should be graded as G & T. In some schools this will mean that children who would be considered average in other schools are listed as G & T (IYSWIM) and otherwise very bright children in a very able school will not get ctagoriesd as g & T

I have an interesting perspective on this because I have taught a voluntary additional GCSE to 2 separate classes of yr 10-11 G & T students over 2 years taken from schools across an LEA as part of a borough project. Last year's results ranged from A-C. It's quite clear that one school's G & T may be a borderline genius where another is struggling to meet average. One of my students who got a C grade only did so with a lot of support and he actually got Ds in many of his other subjects whereas one of my students who got an A is definitely one of the most able students I'll ever come across. Some of the others were bright and hard-working (and willing to give up time to come to extra classes which says a lot about motivation) but not what you might imagine by 'gifted'. This proves that G & T is difficult to define and varies hugely. From talking to the students I also found that the G & T programme in their schools varies hugely - for example, one school, just seemed to take their G & T kids bowling.

www.teachernet.gov.uk/gtwise may be of interest

We are in Scotland and there is no G&T scheme here (not sure if that is just Scotland or our school) but our school is a very small one (15 pupils - one composite class) so dd1 and dd2 have IEPs so the end result is the same. Not sure what would happen if they were in a bigger school though.

Just looked at my post and it is of course the other way round. Sorry if I confused you, Nikkie.

Thanks everyone it was just a thought promted by anither thread really, especially as she is only 5 but worried about later on.