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School Sports -- Should it be for all or just for the chosen few?

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EllenMP · 26/05/2011 11:17

My son is at a state primary school in Year 5. Parents at my son's school have complained for years about school sports policy. There is not enough provision for all the keen athletes so the chosen few do everything and the rest get left out. Humiliating and counterproductive, and happening in virtually every sport at the school. I am trying to effect a change towards inclusion, but it's like turning an ocean liner.

It would help to have a sense of how things are run at other primary schools, so I would know whether the cut throat attitude of the Head of PE is the norm or is as out of date as I think it is.

A couple of months ago I spoke to the Head of PE about including more of the boys in the football teams and she said it wasn't worth her time to take the team to a match if they weren't going to win. Seriously, direct quote. I spoke to the headteacher (in the meantime, the PE head put my son on the team, possibly to shut me up, but it won't work!) who said she had to support her head of PE as long as she was upholding school policy. I said school policy needed to be changed then and she said she would think about it and discuss with the teachers. I don't think anything will be done though, as the head of PE has been there for ages and has a very strong personality. I am thinking of going to the governors next.

Does anyone have any advice about this? Maybe some materials I could use to back up my case? Getting good stuff from Malcolm Gladwell's Outliers already, but more ideas would be fantastic. Here is the situation as it stands:

The school prides itself on its good sports results and the head of PE believes the good results justify a completely ruthless attitude to team selection. Personally, I think it's mainly an ego trip for her more than anything.

The school sports teams are chosen for each match and then posted on a bulletin board for all to see. No attention is paid to effort or commitment, or trying to encourage all children to participate. Children end up feeling humiliated if their name is conspicuously absent from the list, losing confidence in themselves, and losing interest in even trying. Some sports have regular training sessions to which anyone can come and then the coach chooses the teams from the attendees. But the same children get in the team each time and the ones who are left out stop going eventually because it's just a source of humilation and they realize they aren't going to be chosen.

For the sporty children (especially for boys, many of whose social interactions are wrapped up in sports) if your friends and teammates are chosen to play in a match you feel genuinely humiliated as well as disappointed. And your friends feel guilty for being chosen when you weren't. Not nice for anyone, and completely avoidable.

The school has received the sports mark, whatever that means, so I think they believe they are doing things right. Meanwhile, excellent players are losing confidence from being told they don't measure up, older/larger children in the year group are consistently favoured over smaller/younger ones, and players who are just keen to have a go won't take the risk of trying for fear of not measuring up.

We have an obesity crisis in this country, with our children lolling in front of screens all day instead of developing a love of exercise to take into their adult lives. Sport is a great opportunity to teach children that if they practice something they will improve, that it feels good to achieve that improvement, that hard work pays off, that teamwork brings success and that physical activity is fun. Teaching these important things only to the naturally gifted seems frankly stupid to me.

There are kids like my son who love sport, and will make it a part of their lives right into adulthood. There are kids (like my other son!) who hate sport and will not make it a part of their lives no matter what. Then there is the vast middle ground: kids who are keen but not terribly coordinated. Kids who like sports but not contact sports, kids who have some ability but are the only one of their friends who want to play sports. To my mind, this big middle chunk is where most resources should be allocated. They are the ones who could be nudged in the right direction with a little well crafted encouragement. And they are the ones who are put off completely by a cut throat attitude.

I've watched these kids play football for 6 years now, and to be honest there is not a great deal of difference in ability amongst the really keen ones, who number about half the boys in the year. Some are a bit better than others, but not markedly so, and really any random 11 would be about as good as any other 11, assuming you have a decent goalkeeper. So there is really very little purpose in only letting the biggest ones play for the school. All it does is put off both good players and children who aren't too great but should be encouraged to enjoy sport.

All I'm saying is that a list should be kept of which kids show the commitment to come to the training sessions and work hard, and that these children should be assigned in turns to play in matches. This will be self-limiting only the ones who care enough to come to all the trainings will be in the running, and everyone will get a turn. Presto no hurt feelings and no irate parents. And I don't honestly think they would lose any more matches that way.

Sorry to go off on one, but I feel sure there is a better, fairer, more educational and equally competitive way to run things.

If you have an idea of how things should be run or how to get the school to change the policies, I would be very glad to hear it!

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silko123 · 13/06/2011 11:37

I have just come against exactly the same problem with team selection. My son (in junior school) who has been attending the after school cricket for 3 months was not selected for the team. The school has the following policy "choose children who have been identified as having the level of skill required to participate to the same standard as other teams" which i think translates to "we only choose the best children ".

I fully understand that sport is about winning else why compete BUT should this be the case at primary age?. I agree that in senior school a child will need to wake up to the fact they are not going to be a professional in the sport but am not sure this should be the case up to the age of 11.

This has now put my son off the after school club which I cant see being productive when we have a policy in encouraging children to do sport.

So the suggestion to rotate the team allowing all "interested" children a place was refused. Having spoken to higher authorities on the policy taken it appears there is no guidance on the subject placed by Government and schools are allowed to take whatever approach they like. They have not done anything technically wrong and well "morally" does not come into it.

Our only way forward on this is lobby our MP as this is counter productive on government policies to promote a healthier childhood.

jeee · 13/06/2011 11:44

I have no problem with school teams being selected by ability - children do accept this (albeit sometimes rather weepily).

However, at my DCs school, the sports clubs are also selected by ability. And I think it's reasonable for children to expect to be able to join a club no matter how unathletic they are. In fact, the more unathletic kids should be encouraged to join clubs - because they are the ones who are least likely to continue with sport as they get older.

bitsyandbetty · 13/06/2011 12:36

My DS is weak at sports as I was. I would not want a more gifted sports kid to give up his place for mine. I think that would be bad for the better child. My DS will just concentrate on things he is good at such as music. In that case those good at music should give up instruments so that those with no ear should play them. Everybody has their own strengths.

Scholes34 · 13/06/2011 12:37

You don't really know how good or bad your DC is at sport until they're encouraged to get involved. Football is quite dominant at my DS's school, but the team for the few matches played, is chosen based on enthusiasm and attendance at training (the good ones will attend training regularly, so don't miss out, but it also means others get a chance).

The local FA ran a schools competition for children who didn't play for a club, which then gave them the opportunity to gain confidence on the pitch, without the more able club players taking over.

Korfball is an excellent sport for involving boys and girls - each team needs four boys and four girls. You should encourage your school to try it. Your head of PE sounds nightmarish and blinkered as to her role in the school.

bitsyandbetty · 13/06/2011 12:43

At my DC's schools they try lots of different sports, as you say football dominates and my DS hates it but he enjoyed judo but does not like any sport that gets competitive. They have an inter-house cup that is far as they get in competitiveness for those not in the teams. They all enjoy it. I cannot see the teachers having the time to organise more than one team. They do it voluntarily with parents help, any more than this is too much to expect.

GabbyLoggon · 13/06/2011 12:48

ELLENMP and others is it a banker/cameron Tory deal. Are you all aware of deaths and injuries in comp school sports? Do parents have anysay or it it just fanatical PT wallahs....theywould beuseless if they werent keen. There is a degree of secrecyhere which needs breaking. You are poaid with TAXPAYERS MONEY. aND YOU APPARENTLYNECVER GET SACKESD. (wow.) I wiull bring you an apple when you cough up real answers...All professions are secretive. But break the mould for this Gabby

GabbyLoggon · 13/06/2011 12:56

I speak to grown women for whom comp school sports w ere a nightmare. I repeat some PE teachers will be good. Others bullies. (And you never get sacked.) so parents need to have a say. Would Channel 4 TV get a good Dispatches out of this subject. Speak to Gabby...Loggon I mean

Scholes34 · 13/06/2011 13:21

Kick boxing, dance, use of fitness suite are all options at my DD's comprehensive. They get to choose from a variety of competitive and non-competitive sports. Playing for a team involves joining an after-school club.

GabbyLoggon · 13/06/2011 15:21

Thanks bits...jeeeeeee one day you will learn cooperation is better than competition/ Are you entering the seniors for the X-factor.

The leading questions I have asked about who is funding the new scheme...Bankers and government...olympics wallahs. Przes offered? Gabby logan is extremely com[petitive and boast about it. it is not that simple.

Are all the schools taking part. Do they get money for doing so? Come on, you can help me here anonymously. When it goes public it is public.

You cannot teach our children in SECRECY (But you might try...Some teachers know best. Others dont..get it?

Does Mrs Logan plan to break her silence?. Is it a tactical silence. Thanks

GabbyLoggon · 14/06/2011 15:07

I must congratulate EllenMP on original post. What a great effort.

propatria · 14/06/2011 16:05

Gabby,you are so right,its all an evil plot by Freemasons,thanks for bringing this to the worlds attention

GabbyLoggon · 15/06/2011 15:51

Masons get mentionedin connection with police and councillors.

EllenMP · 28/06/2011 11:50

Thanks Scholes34 and Silko123 for your comments. It's nice to know other parents have some of the same questions, especially if you are trying to challenge the status quo. I have gotten as far as the headteacher agreeing to conduct a review of the PE program, including school sports. I quoted her the school's own equal opportunity policy and brought up the Christian values thing as it's a Catholic school. (Is winning really more important that kindness and consideration?) Not to mention age discrimination (older/bigger players are always favoured) and the obesity crisis. Other parents have chimed in too, so we will see if anything changes.

I don't really want to get confrontational about it as I have two younger sons, one of whom hasn't even started there yet, and I don't want to make things hard for them by making an enemy of the head and PE teachers. But if someone doesn't challenge the policy it will never be updated.

Scholes34 -- how does your kids' school do in their competitive matches? It sounds like your school has the selection policy I am trying to get mine to adopt (selection based on enthusiasm and attendance) and I am always being told they would lose every match if they did it that way.

Silko123 -- I completely agree that primary school is too early to impose cut throat competition for places on teams. There is plenty of time for them to learn about disappointment in secondary school and beyond. And the moral side should come into, though it's discouraging to be laughed at when you suggest it. I hope you can convince your school to have a rethink.

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GabbyLoggon · 28/06/2011 13:18

well, we note you have strong view. Pleased you mentioned PE teachers. They can of course be forceful or exibitionists....I think parents should have a say with kids who just dont really wantto doi it. And are no good at it. Single minded sports people tend to be non philosophical dipsticks. A bitlike sgt majors. I QUESTION gABBYlOGANS EXPERTISEON THE SUBJECT. iTS A TAD OBSEESIVE....iN THE GENES FROM HER DAD A VERY GOOD AGGRESSIVE FOOTIE PLAYER

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