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Reading problems - private school??

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chasingtail · 13/05/2011 15:43

My DS is 5 (almost 6) & in Year 1 at primary school. From the beginning he has not found learning his sounds easy & is still struggling with stage 1 of the Oxford Learning tree. He is also behind on numeracy (only recognises numbers up to about 15) which we beleive may be due to reading situation.

Initially we not overly concerned (boys will be boys etc..) as the class was small & he was enjoying school. However the school has lost 2 of its 4 teachers over the last 9 months, subsequently Reception & Year 1 have been almagamated & he is now in a class of 29. As such we believe he does not get the support/focus he really needs & is slipping away from the rest of his year (obviously not blaming the teacher).

We have spoken at length with the head and his teacher on how we can both support him and the school, but it seems to be a one way street. We agreed with the head that regular feedback was needed, but short of a brief comment in his reading record book, we are not getting anything back. We also for any advice on helping him which has not been forthcoming.

His teacher doesnt think he has a specific learning issue (although no formal assessment has been completed) but in a test undertaken recently he failed to identify over half the key words.

The effect of all of this is that he is now becoming reluctant to go to school and makes regular remarks such as 'school is too difficult' and 'I'm stupid', which absolutely breaks my heart. He is also commenting on how his peers are further ahead than him.

I feel we need to take action now before the enthusiasm for school & learning is knocked out of him. We do all we can at home to help him & try to make learning fun but obviously there is only so much we can do.

We have now reached the point where we are seriously considering moving him to a local independant school which prides itself in teaching children with reading difficulties but are reluctant to do this due to the cost and social implications of moving him away from his friends. We also have a 3 year old DD who we to take into account but interestingly enough, even at her young age I don't have the same concerns.

If anyone has any thoughts/advice on our best course of action & whether we should change schools I would be most grateful!!

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pippop1 · 13/05/2011 16:31

29 is quite a big class and if you can afford it, it might be a good idea to send him to the local independant school. However it would help if you could afford to send your DD there eventually too otherwise DS will ask why she goes to one school and him another. I wouldn't worry too much about the friendship thing at this age as, if you move him over the summer, it will be a natural break and he will hopefully be able to make new friends at the new school.

I suppose another thing you could do is to try to find a specialist tutor to come around to your house a couple of times a week and help him with reading for a few weeks to see if he makes any progress. The tutor could try different strategies to see which worked best. That would be a lot cheaper than school fees.

In summary, perhaps you could put his name down at the new school (might well be worth forfiting a term's fees if you don't send him in the end), engage a private specialist tutor and decide what to do in a few weeks time. Perhaps you should look for a specialist dyslexia tutor as they will have good ideas about reading. If no progress is made with the tutor then I would consider moving him.

IndigoBell · 13/05/2011 17:02

Do you realise that 'specific learning issue' is a euphemism for dyslexia?

Private schools can be better or worse for SEN - but I don't think the class size makes a difference. Equally state schools can be excellent for dyslexia....

There are a lot of far cheaper things you can do to help your DC overcome dyslexia than to move to a private school.......

chasingtail · 15/05/2011 10:03

thanks for the advice. I can't quite accept though that class size doesn't make a difference, especially if you are struggling. think we will keep perservering with the primary school to see if things can be turned around this term & also investigate getting a specialist tutor. However if no progress is made i think we will have little option but to move him (£2500 per term - yikes !!!)

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daytoday · 15/05/2011 10:21

Can you get him a tutor for a bit? We got our son out tutor which he started in Year 2 (Kip McGrath) and also researched local private schools. I found the tutor gave me much more detailed feedback on our son as he didn't have any vested or political motivations. My son was in bottom sets etc - couldn't read and was turning off school. However, after a few months the tutoring started to help and allay our fears. We also insisted the SENCO department of the school test him for underlying issues as to why he was underachieving. Although he was very young, we also know that the sooner these things are spotted the better.

He is now absolutely fine now.

maverick · 15/05/2011 14:58

chasingtail, the following page was written with parents such as yourself in mind:

www.dyslexics.org.uk/should_I_have.htm

Have a look at The Options, too:

www.dyslexics.org.uk/should_I_options.htm

HTH

INeedALieIn · 15/05/2011 21:35

I could have written your post. I moved my dd at y2 to a prep school. She is now y3. I believed she was possibly dyslexic. But 2 years later I simply believe she is very shy and didn't ( and still doesn't) cope well in large groups. She has flourished, caught up and overtaken her peers in her class of 15. She was floundering in her mixed year group class of 31.

Her brother, y1 is still at state primary, loves it and is doing really well. I have no plans to move him unless it is right for him. Ignore people who believe you should do the same for both children. You are doing your best for each child if you match the school to their individual needs rather than opt for a one size fits all approach.

DianaDors · 16/05/2011 07:22

My DS is 5 (almost 6) & in Year 1 at primary school. From the beginning he has not found learning his sounds easy & is still struggling with stage 1 of the Oxford Learning tree. He is also behind on numeracy (only recognises numbers up to about 15) which we beleive may be due to reading situation.

Yes, you should be concerned and should get a private tutor straight away. Whether through Kip McGrath or some one who has experience and freelances. You need information without bias. In Year 1 he shouldn't be having all these problems. It may be that he responds better 1:1 or there are other reasons as to why he's struggling - and they may or may not be academic. The sooner you crack on, the sooner you will have something tangible to deal with.

Initially we not overly concerned (boys will be boys etc..) as the class was small & he was enjoying school. However the school has lost 2 of its 4 teachers over the last 9 months, subsequently Reception & Year 1 have been almagamated & he is now in a class of 29. As such we believe he does not get the support/focus he really needs & is slipping away from the rest of his year (obviously not blaming the teacher).

The teacher should be concerned and should be doing more to help waive your fears & support your child, 29 is quite a reasonable number of children but not so many that the T should not be taking this seriously. For a school to lose 2 teachers when it has 4 to start with rings alarm bells for me about management & leadership within the school. Class size at this point shouldn't make any difference with a dedicated professional working with the children.

We have spoken at length with the head and his teacher on how we can both support him and the school, but it seems to be a one way street. We agreed with the head that regular feedback was needed, but short of a brief comment in his reading record book, we are not getting anything back. We also for any advice on helping him which has not been forthcoming.

Sounds like they are paying you lip service. Get a tutor. They cost, but it may not be long term, also you may be able to pay for the tutors planning which you can implement yourself on a daily basis and then have the tutor visit once a week or something similar.

His teacher doesnt think he has a specific learning issue (although no formal assessment has been completed) but in a test undertaken recently he failed to identify over half the key words.

That is worrying and a red flag. The T should be considering how best to support your son.

The effect of all of this is that he is now becoming reluctant to go to school and makes regular remarks such as 'school is too difficult' and 'I'm stupid', which absolutely breaks my heart. He is also commenting on how his peers are further ahead than him.

I feel we need to take action now before the enthusiasm for school & learning is knocked out of him. We do all we can at home to help him & try to make learning fun but obviously there is only so much we can do.

You are right to be concerned and with the mid-term break and summer hols coming up now would be a great time to involve a tutor.

We have now reached the point where we are seriously considering moving him to a local independant school which prides itself in teaching children with reading difficulties but are reluctant to do this due to the cost and social implications of moving him away from his friends. We also have a 3 year old DD who we to take into account but interestingly enough, even at her young age I don't have the same concerns.

I think you will find that unless the fee-paying school is empathetic and they usually aren't, it will only further compound the issue. Prep schools are all about results and money when it comes down to it, usually they will ask for a registration fee up front and 'test' your child to see if he is 'suitable' and at this stage you may well be doing more harm than good by putting him through this type of assessment.

If anyone has any thoughts/advice on our best course of action & whether we should change schools I would be most grateful!!

My advice would be to spend some money now on a tutor and save in the long run. The tutor ideally would be able to come to your home, establish a relationship with your child, do some basic assessments without agenda and identify where to next. They should be open with you about their concerns and strategies. There may even be some teachers on maternity leave who might consider working with him. You could request reading books from the school or may have to buy 2nd hand copies as the tutor may not have a full library or resources, but it will work out cheaper in the long run. Above all they should get your child laughing and enthusiastic. The relationship will dictate all that follows.

Many schools vary in their class sizes but it does not necessarily follow that private or state, the T will be dynamic and have your child's best interests at heart. I am sorry to suggest a tutor, but I feel his present school is being remiss in their approach and your son is not enjoying his learning as he should. Investigate private schools by all means, but it is a good teacher that will make all the difference, and I would hate to see you spend money hand over fist on fees when a good tutor may be the best short-term solution. I am concerned about the leadership at his present school and would suggest that you look at all schools in your area to help make an informed decision. The best of luck to you both and your son.

smee · 17/05/2011 15:10

ORT1 doesn't sound good, but what's your gut instinct? Do you think he might be dyslexic or has he just not yet clicked yet? I only ask, as my son wasn't really reading at the end of Year One. He got to about ORT 3, but key words baffled him and he couldn't write anything legible besides his name.

His teacher said they really didn't think there was a problem, and that the key thing was to keep his enthusiasm for books going. We decided if he didn't pick up by Christmas of Yr 2 we'd look at it again, but he did suddenly click and is doing well. At Easter of Yr2, he was easily reading ORT 10 now and his teacher says he should easily hit 2A for SATS. From all I've heard/ read, I don't think it's all that unusual for children to make huge leaps at this age. Or that unusual for some children to take longer than others.

Long winded way of saying it might just be that he's not ready yet. If he's happy at his school and you think the school's okay long term, I'd say maybe wait a while.

TheVisitor · 17/05/2011 15:16

I hate ORT with a passion. It's so DULL!!! My triplets didn't read until halfway through year 2. They've all caught up with their peers with ease and particularly the boys, have a higher reading age than their chronological age. have to say though, the late reading was due to poor teaching and it was only when we moved and they went to a different school, that their wonderful, wonderful teacher got them reading within 6 months.

When it comes to reading, it doesn't have to be books - comics are a good way to get boys more interested and the Beano was a staple in my house for many years.

smee · 17/05/2011 16:07

Beano a staple here too. With my DS it genuinely isn't due to bad teaching, as his teachers have been terrific. He just simply wasn't ready.

delillah247 · 18/05/2011 15:22

My DS didn't get the hang of reading til half way through Yr2 either. He didn't get the hang of basic maths until Yr4. He is now Yr6 and getting good results. (4 & 5's). He just wasn't ready.

camptownraces · 18/05/2011 18:28

Oxford Reading Tree - oh dear, it's just what's not needed for a beginning reader. It relies on memorising sight words - very dispiriting for a child with poor visual memory, or who has not yet developed a leading eye.

What method is the class teacher using for teaching reading? ASK her.

Whether the school is maintained or independent, they really should be teaching children to "decode" words using synthetic phonics. This is the conclusion of the Rose Review.

How many of the 44 phonemes has the class teacher taught the children? Is your son familiar with the terms phoneme and grapheme?

chasingtail · 19/05/2011 08:00

thanks you all so much for your thoughts & advice. Really comforting to know that so many parents are/have been in a similar situation.

'TheVisitor/SMEE', what you said really struck a cord - I think DS just finds reading the ORT books REALLY BORING(!!) which isn't helping him. I think we can make small steps if we can just find something that actually interests him (will buy Beano forthwith!).

We have a meeting with both the head & his teacher this afternoon to try & get to the bottom of the issue. It may transpire that I'm making a mountain out of a molehill & like several of you have said, it will eventually click. However, from the lack of feedback thus far, I have no idea what to think at this moment. I will also ask for clear information on the method used to teach sounds/words (thanks Camptownraces).

We will also get him properly assessed (thanks DianaDors), if only for peace of mind (I'm asuming the school doesn't pay for this but will ask anyway!) and then we can at least make some sort of informed plan for the future.

Many thanks again All x

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TheVisitor · 19/05/2011 11:31

Screening for dyslexia doesn't tend to be done until the child is over 7 as many children can catch up by then. School are also unlikely to pay for it, as statementing for dyslexia has pretty much stopped. Best of luck to him, you may find he takes off when he finds something he enjoys reading. Grin

GrungeBlobPrimpants · 19/05/2011 16:53

Chasingtail - your ds sounds v like my ds, who totally failed to 'get' reading in Y1 and had the same issues. He finally picked it up in Y2. I thought at the time (1) it must be dyslexia (2) maybe he had SEN and (3) he was the only child in the class like this

All wrong - not dyslexic, just a very 'late starter'. Later found out his position was far from unique.

Don't panic and don't leap into getting a tutor immediately (sorry I really disagree with DianaDors). You need to speak to the teacher (which you're doing), and I guess he might have a PEP and some 1:1 time. Most of all, what he needs is confidence and belief in himself so he knows he's good at something. Doesn't have to be reading or anything academic - maybe discuss with his teacher a reward system or encourgaing soemthign else - sport, art, whatever.

Far too early to panic Smile

chasingtail · 19/05/2011 19:55

Ok. So saw the head & teacher this afternoon. Ironically they said that if we hadn't called the meeting they were about to contact us (hmm...!!).

Anyway they also accept that that there is some sort 'block' to DS's learning and have offered to do daily early morning 1:1 sessions for 20 minutes, starting after half term. The teacher will says she will devise a learning programme so that by the end of term we can establish what, if any progress has been made & what the potential blocks may be. If nothing else they say this will help to build a body of evidence if further investigation is required.

The Head also said that if necessary in the Autumn term she can 'obtain' extra funding to give further in class support. I asked whether this required him to be 'statemented' but she said absolutely not. Does this sort of plan sound reasonable? I am aware that schools only have limited resource so should I be pleased that this is a step in the right direction?? Conversely I am worried that they may only be paying lip service to 'neurotic' parents and no real input will be given. I guess time will tell at the end of this term when we request a progress report on these sessions.

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IndigoBell · 19/05/2011 21:26

No, this all sounds exactly right.

School does have an SEN budget to spend on kids who are on the SEN register but not statemented.

It all sounds like great news. They are tackling it properly. 20 mins 1:1 is very good at this stage.

He should also get an IEP (individual education plan).

It doesn't sound at all like they are fobbing you off....

TheVisitor · 20/05/2011 00:25

They sound spot on and on the ball. This is good stuff. Grin

GrungeBlobPrimpants · 20/05/2011 10:51

Chasingtail - that is really good and absolutely the right way to tackle the problem. They should review the IEP and progress with you by end of term (ask for an appointment if you havent' heard anything) and discuss issues, solutions, targets etc. All good stuff indeed Smile

chasingtail · 20/05/2011 12:50

Great! Thanks all for your input - it's really helped me to see we are making postive steps. The sessions will start after half term with an IEP & the teacher/head have both said their door is open to give updates at any point.
Yippee!!

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haggisaggis · 20/05/2011 13:02

My dd really struggled with learning to read and numbers - and was diagnosed with dyslexia at 7. Our school were really good though - they picked it up in P1 and immediately put things in pleac to give her 20 mins 1:1 per day - as well as arranging regular meetings with me and implementing an IEP. It has made a huge difference! Your ds will hopefully do much better now the have put things in place - and at least you also have things documentated which is useful if you have to change schools or anything later. (we moved - but because everything was writtend down teh new school have followed teh system begun at teh previous one)

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