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Tuition Fees - How much?

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HolyMolars · 06/03/2011 22:17

Does anyone know whether or not the additional fees will apply only to new entrants or will the higher fees also apply to those already attending university? With one in first year at university this year and one who we hope will start in 2012, it seems that we have a problem in terms of how to support them equally financially... yet again the squeezed middle??

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webwiz · 06/03/2011 22:30

It will only apply to new students who start in 2012 so you'll just have one on the higher fees.

Rafaella · 06/03/2011 22:37

No, if they're already there or hoping to go in September this year they will be pay the low fees for the full 3/4 years. We have 1 DS in 2nd yr of uni, 1 trying to get in this year and 2 more who will potentially be wanting to go but out of the question if the fees are £9,000 per year. And that doesn't include any of the living costs on top. Uni will become only for the rich. Many of the kids now in yr 12 who were hoping to go on to uni have decided they're not prepared to get into that sort of debt - but where's the alternative? There's going to be a huge increase in youth unemployment in a year and a half.

HolyMolars · 06/03/2011 22:52

Being thick here but does that mean that he will also have to pay higher fees for his final year having started in Sept 2010? It really sucks, whatever!

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mumeeee · 06/03/2011 22:55

HolyMolars Your Ds who is in his his first year at uni now won't have to pay the higher fees in is final year ( 2012), The higher fees will only apply to those starting in 2012.

peteneras · 06/03/2011 23:10

No, you're not being thick. It's such a new and sudden happening that most of us are confused. At the moment, most uni's don't even know what they'll charge; charge too low then you 'show' yourself as an "inferior" uni; charge too high e.g. the maximum of £9000 then you have students avoiding you unless you are Oxbridge.

From what I understand, this September/October is the LAST chance for students entering uni at the old rate, currently $3290 plus a bit for inflation. Next year onwards, the new fees apply. Tough for new applicants and re-applicants alike.

mumoverseas · 07/03/2011 11:34

Yes, as others have said, anyone starting this September/October will pay at the old rate and the increased fees will be for courses commencing September 2012.

Exeter has already announced that they will be charging 9k pa

HelenBaaBaaBlackSheep · 07/03/2011 13:35

We have 1 DS in 2nd yr of uni, 1 trying to get in this year and 2 more who will potentially be wanting to go but out of the question if the fees are £9,000 per year.

I am totally against tuition fees but this isn't true as the fee is not up-front so you won't need to give your children any extra money, they will just start paying off once they have graduated and are earning over the threshold.

TalkinPeace2 · 07/03/2011 13:46

The thing to bear in mind with tuition fees is that they are really a graduate tax.

You will not be asked to write a cheque for £9,000 on the first day of freshers week.

You will borrow from the Student Loan Company the
amount of £9,000 which will be paid directly to the University.

You then IGNORE that loan until you graduate and start to earn.

Once you have a job, the capital and interest is repaid at 9% of your salary over £20,000
if you earn less than that it stays deferred.
Any money you have not repaid 30 years after graduating is written off.

It's a graduate tax.
It will not count as debt for Mortgage applications

slipshodsibyl · 07/03/2011 13:57

Like Helen, I appreciate and regret the difficulties our young people are faced with, but the loan will, in effect, be a kind of graduate tax since it is repayable only on a salary of over 21000.

I am loathe to hear about so many potential students saying they will not go to university because they do not want to get into debt and as a parent I will not encourage this view when my daughter applies next year.

This is because I cannot really see an alternative. If entry to a interesting career is available, then fine, but otherwise, what kind of work is to be taken up by our children? I would prefer my daughter to have the debt thatn a low paid job and limited opportunities for the rest of her working life.

There are already schemes being set up by an accounting firm (is it PW?)who will cover fees at Durham for students who will work with them and I think Glaxo are about to start sponsoring students. Law firms have always provided sponsorship for some aspects of legal study. perhaps this will spread?

That said, if a child doesn't want to attend university and this becomes clear to them when they envisage paying the fees, then they shouldn't have to. But where a child wishes to go, there shouldn't really be a reason to stop them, even if we disagree with the fee increase.

HolyMolars · 07/03/2011 19:31

But in addition to the tuition fees, I was gobsmacked at the rents that the Halls of residence now charge, and the ghastly 50 week contracts some insist on too!! Public private partnership development. Humbug! Licence to print money!

As for graduate tax, I thought that the tax system was supposed to recover from higher earners already. We who had grants, felt we would be paying it back through taxation, and if we earned more, we would pay more. We did not need a big fat debt around our necks on graduation. As a parent I feel it encumbent on me now to try to save for my kids who will never be able to put a step on the property ladder if I don't.

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Want2bSupermum · 07/03/2011 19:44

If you want to be an accountant then you don't need a degree. As an accountant I suggest your child look at the ICAEW/ACCA/CIMA websites and apply for positions now. I regret doing a bachelor degree. It would have been far better for me to have gone to work at 18 and completed an MBA at 22 (take a look at Manchester business school global MBA program). The cost of the MBA is around GBP20K which is cheaper than a bachelor program and you avoid the graduate tax situation.

TalkinPeace2 · 07/03/2011 19:48

I don't regret doing my degree before becoming an accountant.

What I do regret is not shouting louder, earlier that Bliar's stupid idea of sending every child to university and Broon's idiotic PFI schemes would bankrupt the country and stop my children from having the opportunities I did.

We got grants because only 1 in 20 of us got them. They were affordable and we almost all went into good taxpaying jobs.

With 1 in 4 getting "degrees" the money is not being returned to the system.

Want2bSupermum · 07/03/2011 22:37

TalkinPeace2 - I couldn't agree with you more. I remember going down to London to protest against tuition fees in my first year at university. I was in a politics class and I was called an elitist because I thought that university shouldn't be for anyone who had finished school.

The sad reality is that there are now more barriers between a gifted 18 year old with limited resources and them reaching their potential than ever before.

HolyMolars · 09/03/2011 23:33

I have the propect of on DS who will have £9K debt and one DD who will haev £27K and have to explain how fair is that?

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prh47bridge · 10/03/2011 14:06

HolyMolars - The average graduate debt right now is £25k. If all universities charge the full £9k that will go up to £43k.

Your DD's repayments will be less than your DS. She will pay 9% of her income over £21k whereas he will pay 9% of his income over £15k. She may also be charged a lower rate of interest depending on how much she earns. However, she will be paying for 30 years whereas your DS will only pay for 25 years. Depending on how much they both earn, your DD may end up paying less overall than your DS.

Student loans aren't really debts in the normal sense of the word. They don't show up on your credit record, for example. It is, as others have said, really a graduate tax with a cap.

HolyMolars · 11/03/2011 19:53

But then though, there is the student loean, as in money to live on, eat, travel, rent etc not just hand over to the universtiy (cos the Gov't won't)and that is on top. I just think pre-uni advice for parents is really scant in terms of the bald facts and in terms of how much you will need to cough up if your DC gets a minimum grant (i mean loan). Call me old fashioned but was it not easier in the past or was it that back then I did not gice a sh*t

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HolyMolars · 11/03/2011 20:11

give not gice - and ? at end - apologies

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