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My dd was shown a pirate copy of Madagascar in class!

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vwvic · 15/09/2005 14:14

She is in Y2. A few of the other parents havebeen talking, and none of us thinks that this is really on. However, we are only 4 parents out of a class of 30.None of the others think that it is/was a problem.

Dh and I thought about talking to the head, but in previous similar situations she was of absolutely no help- her response was something like I trust my teachers to make their own decisions, and won't interfere. So we felt we had no option but to tell the education authourity. However, now I'm worried that we didn't do the right thing. I suppose it's too late to do anything now, but I'm just wondering what other parents would have done.

Thanks in advance.

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unicorn · 15/09/2005 14:31

Friday = video in yr 2 isn't really on... an excuse for the teacher to bunk off? (sorry teachers but I mean honestly - what's wrong with a story?)

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vwvic · 15/09/2005 14:33

I just heard from another parent. Apparently the dvd was a good copy, in that it had a box, and the disk was printed. The teacher said she thought it had been released on dvd, and had already promised the child who brought it in they could watch it.

The connections to serious crime are the main reason I don't want my daughters to have anything to do with them.

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vwvic · 15/09/2005 14:35

Unicorn, my thoughts exactly!

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Mum2girls · 15/09/2005 14:36

whats golden time?

sunnydelight · 15/09/2005 14:57

I do some work for a local government agency that prosecutes people for selling counterfeit goods from time to time , so sorry but I would definitely have taken the issue up with the head.

cod · 15/09/2005 15:01

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ScummyMummy · 15/09/2005 15:09

My kids got shown this last day of school at the end of Y1. And thinking about it, it was only just out in the cinema so must have been a bent copy. Didn't even make the connection but now I have... I can't summon up any outrage whatsoever! Understand that people get irate about different things but definitely think that this is a pretty minor thing to approach the LEA over. IMO going above the teachers' and head's heads was a bit unfair.

jayzmummy · 15/09/2005 15:22

It is actually illegal to show a video in a school classrooms without having an entertainments licence and the video shown has to be one that has been approved for viewing by the general public.Normal DVD's have a long copywrite description at the end and it sates clearly that the film must not be shown in schools, hospitals etc.
I know this because I was chair of the PTA and we were threatened with prosecution for showing a film after school one night!!!! We charged £1 per child, supplied drinks and food and showed a movie...all to raise funds for the new swimming pool. We sold 100 tickets and thought we were onto a winner until we were rumbled!!!
The PTA agreed to get all the necessary licences etc but to hire a film that is allowed to be shown cost £75 so we couldnt make enough money to carry on fundraising.It was a shame because the children all really enjoyed their movie night.

Another snippet of useless info I picked up along the way was....When you by a video/DVD that is for personal use it is illegal for you to allow more than 6 people to watch it at any one time in your own home!!!

mumbee · 15/09/2005 19:38

Questions
If this is illegal then how can the school show recorded from the TV, schools programmes. Do they have to have an appropriate licence.
A lot of schools use films for wet play times is this illegal?

debutante · 15/09/2005 20:02

Why on earth are year 2 children watching dvds every Friday afternoon?
Your school should have a complaint procedure which is freely accessible to parents. you should have been informed of this and so would have had a channel for your comments before the LEA. LEA may well pass it back to chair of governors. I would love to see the planning for your child's class - can't see how they can justify a regular diet of dvds. Never mind the piracy issue that's one to really look into. The kids deserve much much better. If it is a form of golden time as cod's school has then it would be sad to think this was the only thing they chose.
Might as well pick your kids up early and have some fun on a friday.

jodee · 15/09/2005 20:25

Didn't someone else on here say their kids watch a video at school every week?

Ours have golden time as well, which certainly doesn't include watching films.

PeachyClair · 15/09/2005 20:36

At his old school, my DS1 used to watch dvd's every Friday, and C-Beebies three or four times a week, on an average week- sometimes it was more.

FWIW showing pirate DVD's is a crime and needs to be reported. Most pirate DVD's seem to be home copies these days (we're forever being offered them), and although I wouldn't have one, it's not the 'organised crime' thing. But a film that hasn't yet been released must come from this sector surely? Nobody copied that on their PC after all.

Enid · 16/09/2005 09:10

apparently they watched it at dd1's after school club last night

Marina · 16/09/2005 09:17

it is against the law
DVD piracy does fund BAD things like organised crime and enforced prostitution of illegal immigrant women and girls
kids should not be watching DVDs during the normal school week
it is not just the big-buck stars who lose out where piracy of DVDs is concerned. It has a knock-on effect on all aspects of the film industry and that includes Mumsnetters who work in it, and their partners too. Technicians/animators/administrators on ordinary salaries suffer too

vwvic, you were right to report this but I must admit given this is a law of the land issue I'd have made sure I told the head that first before taking it to the LEA. But being cross enough about the issues to do something about it? Well done you for caring enough.

geekgrrl · 16/09/2005 09:21

goodness me - organised crime? More likely to have been downloaded from the internet (it is available on peer-to-peer networks you know! )

It was a bad call but I hope the poor teacher doesn't get into trouble with the police. Would you like that to happen?

morningpaper · 16/09/2005 09:22

A bit OT but I've never understood why everyone says that pirate-DVDs-support-organised-crime but everyone merrily downloads music.

HOW do DVDs support organised crime? Everyone I know that does it just makes them themselves in their own homes or downloads them free from the internet. I can't help but wonder whether it's just a neat bit of propaganda from the film industry.

I am however APPALLED at the amount of TV that children are being allowed to watch in school!!!!

morningpaper · 16/09/2005 09:23

And why does organised crime need FUNDING anyway? What are these criminals doing, going to car boot sales to make £30 on a Saturday afternoon? That can't be efficient. Haven't they heard of selling drugs?

flamesparrow · 16/09/2005 09:24

Mumbee - Yup, schools have a special licence to show things like films, things recorded off the tv etc.

It has recently changed so that they have more leniency over what they can show (not exactly sure how, I think that its something like they can show basic shop bought dvds more easily or something, or maybe rentals). I don't know if its changed everywhere or if just the school i'm talking of has upgraded its licence.

Pirate copies are still definately illegal though.

I think for me, I would have started with the head, and worked my way up through governors then LEA depending on how much response I got before.

Marina · 16/09/2005 09:26

1. and 4) still apply though Geekgrrl.

And 4) affects at least two really nice regular posters and their families, for a start. Most people in the film industry are not rich bastards who some would argue deserve to be ripped off.

misdee · 16/09/2005 09:27

i used to get pirate dvd's. the person i got them from got them from someone who was a junkie. didnt bother with them after a while as they didnt have proper cases and ded2 would chew them up if they werent out of her reach.

harpsichordcarrier · 16/09/2005 09:28

personally I would find this much more unacceptable than swearing (see other thread). I take quite a strong line on this - dishonesty/flexible morals is not a very good lesson to teach children. Parents and teachers need to set a good example, I reckon.
god listen to me...

Marina · 16/09/2005 09:30

MP, plenty of us involved in supporting the UK cultural industries through our own workplaces DON'T merrily download music either. We stick to UK and European copyright laws, even if it is personally a bit inconvenient and more expensive, because otherwise we are contributing to loss of income in a sector where most people barely get by as it is. There are people out there who do care about these issues.
Madgascar may be a no-brain film from a ruthless studio, so it's not the most convincing example of why video piracy is wrong, but there you go.

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