School allows children to say the F word 5 times a day

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I just can't believe what I have read!

School allows the F word

What is going on? How far will we let standards fall?

Also - if you can just substitute the word F for pretty much any adjective, noun or verb you can think of (That Fer really Fed me off for calling me a fat f", so I smacked him in the Fing mouth and he was well f*ed) it really doesn't help with increasing vocabulary. And although you don't have to have a thesaurus style mind to get through life, I am always saddened by people I see interviewed on telly which have such poor vocab that they are genuinely unable to vocalise their thoughts and feelings on a subject.

surely undisciplined children need guidance and support, not just teachers caving in and allowing them to do whatever they want. I find this inconceivable and feel terribly sorry for any child that has to be educated in such a dreadful place

I think it is a case of it's all they're worth we've given up on them

Perhaps it's reverse psychology - if they're allowed to use the word then using it is no longer an act of rebellion or defiance, and there's no currency to be gained by using it?

How come it's okay to say it the first five times and then it's not okay any more? Madness! Either it's okay or it's not.

You can punch your classmate in the face, but only five times, after that you get sent to the head...

Although I am reminded about the "game" DH and his bros used to play when younger about who could say the worst swearword loudly without being told off, and as there were three of them it always began with the oldest saying "SH", then DH saying "F" leaving the youngest (gullible) one with the only available worst word and yelling "C**" and the top of his voice and getting an almighty clip round the ear for it... Every time. You'd think he'd learn eh?

WWB, and how well does reverse psycology work?

We all know that toddlers will get every toy out of the box and spread them around the house....if we let them do it they will eventualy stop? Yep, that one works! And teenagers are essentialy very like toddlers!

I am sure that these kids don't know any better, they will have foul mouthed parents who don't give a toss what their kids say or do, and to reverse this the school caves in??????

Madness

Yeah, fair enough. It was just a thought ... if it's allowed then there's nothing to rebel against. Probably all complete rubblish but there you go!

Oh ok - this school is my 'local' senior school (thankfully DS1 will be going into the local church primary school which makes getting into the excellent school in Kettering MUCH easier). It's AWFUL, I used to live on the estate where most of the children come from - and it's nasty, part of the reason I stopped doing my Avon round was because of I was intimidated by some of the groups of 13/14yr olds (who attend the school).

It's situated in one of the worst parts of town - and yes HMB you're right the parents don't give a flying monkeys what their children are up to (a big reason for wanting to move here).

It really is an appaling school, and TBH (while I don't really agree with letting children swear in the classroom) if they think it's going to help then I wish them the best of luck. The headmaster is relatively new to the school (and area - poor sod) and I wish him the best of luck.

Oh being a rebel is all part of beeing a teen! Vital in fact. But you let them rebel at a level that suits you. So if you tighten up uniform they will rebel by having their top button undone but covered by their tie. If you are not strict they will rebel by wearting a see through blouse with a black bra (and that is only the boys!!! )

They have to rebel, stop swaring and they will rebel at a higher level IYSWIM!

QoQ, thank god your kids will not have to go there. How awful that any child has to try to learn in that environment

Still think it is a pants idea tho, kids need nice , easily defined rules.

Yes, i tend to agree with you that the foul mouthed parents just don't give a damn. When i was young, i can't even remember my Mum (and I came from a single parented family) swearing at my sisters or I or anyone for that matter. If we 3 sisters said anything remotely cheeky, we got a look that would have killed dead things. Even now that I am grown up and have a child of my own, my mother would still look at me if I said anything rude in front of my child. And funnily enough, i do the same with my own son and i do feel that it does work.

I think it's also true that they are capable of behaving and will do so when they are in a situation which clearly expects it of them...

one tactic is to get the worst behaved most respected of the group to drop the f's and then they will (hopefully) pull the others into line...

don't dis miss right

"but know when to stop "

I guess that's what he's trying to teach them??? (apparently) the school as improved a little since he took over (the kids are just as awful though and their parents) I guess we'll have to wait to see what happens in the long run as to whether it makes a difference.

One of the kids in my church choir attends there
........... and it's just dawned on me that she's 15 - and could be in one of those classes that this is aimed at

capapble of behaving?? Some of them I think not - certainly not the ones that used to live near us - ooo just thinking about them makes me want to scream

I feel that its how you are brought up to respect your peers. If you aren't taught that, then what chance do children have in life.

My dad always swore when in a bad mood (but we were chastised if we so much as whispered a blashpemy!) my mum NEVER swore (at least not in front of us or in earshot).......until one day she followed the advice that DB and I gave her..............

next time Dad gets angry and shouts and swears - swear back.

She did - and he stopped in his tracks, stormed downstairs and sulked in the chair for the entire afternoon

He still swears a bit - but never even half as much since mum gave him a piece of his own medicine LMAO.

Yeah Hausfrau, and I bet you respect your parents even more now for letting you grow up in a virtually non-swearing environment, I do!I remember my mother always saying, that one can get across what they mean to say without the involvement of vulgar language.

I bet the kids think it's f$%^ing hilarious.

ANY teacher knows when to go diplomatically deaf. If someone trips over a shoelace & says 'fuck!', you respond to with 'I BEG your pardon?' whereupon child grins sheepishly, knowing you're onto them, but choosing not to make a big deal out of a slip of the tongue. If another student tells you where to stick the fucking homework, you come down like a ton of bricks because they are being intentionally offensive & disrespectful.

This is just turning it into a game - any kid with half a brain is going to very quickly work out the disruption potential of arguing over who said it, how many times they said it, whether various other rude words count towards their total, how many they can fit in whilst teacher's back is turned putting the last lot of tallymarks on the board.

I don't actually have a major problem with the word itself - if the school just decided it's part of mainstream language & they have more important things to worry about, that'd be fair enough - but it needs to be either permitted or prohibited.

"If someone trips over a shoelace & says 'fuck!', you respond to with 'I BEG your pardon?' whereupon child grins sheepishly, knowing you're onto them,"

LOL - you don't know the kids at this school..........

No, but in any school there'll be perfectly nice kids who know full well it's unacceptable to swear in a classroom but will occasionally let one slip out because it's part of their everyday vernacular! I don't mean the ones who are swearing deliberately in order to be confrontational.

CarrieG, agree with the context issue 100%

In the school I work in said in the classroom gets you a DT. Said to a teacher or other child gets you 3 days exclusion.