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Well spoken areas - Accents

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arizonagirl · 30/08/2010 10:21

Hi there,

We currently live in Surrey and I have to admit - the accent is really nice and the children speak so nicely. Always gets comments.

Ok, so we are looking at preps in another home county (probably Hertfordshire/Bucks/Berks). I am going to probably get really slated for this thread but hey...I am intrigued and really do wish to know people's thoughts. Which areas within an hour of London could we go to where people are very well spoken eg. 'yes' instead of 'yeah' etc. Not too impressed with Kent, Essex, Epsom tbh. Looking at Bishops Stortford - any thoughts.

Thanks!

OP posts:
misdee · 30/08/2010 12:14

if you want your children to take a barth, then central herts is good.

If you want a 'baath' then look further afield.

deaddei · 30/08/2010 12:16

And they will say the word "like" after every other word.
Hey but what do I know, I'm from lEEDS. Shock

spanieleyes · 30/08/2010 12:58

I don't have an accent at all.

It's just everyone else that doesGrin

Habbibu · 30/08/2010 13:33

No such thing as a neutral accent - just spanieleyes' interpretation. If you didn't have an accent you'd be mute.

BalloonSlayer · 30/08/2010 13:40

Surely if your DCs are going to "preps" they won't end up with gorblimey accents anyway.

And they don't tend to build "preps" in Lower Class areas.

Gay40 · 30/08/2010 13:43

Is this post for real?

NoahAndTheWhale · 30/08/2010 14:05

I have a neutral accent. Born in Leeds and grew up in Liverpool.

Both children born in Hertfordshire. DS is more neutral than DD. We lived in Bedfordshire until recently and DD definitely has touches of marsh dweller in how she speaks Grin

Now we're in Yorkshire and am interested to see if this makes any difference. Don't think it will tbh although nit concerned at all.

Habbibu · 30/08/2010 14:10

There's no such thing as a neutral accent! There really isn't. What do you mean by neutral - RP? That's no more neutral than anything else.

Habbibu · 30/08/2010 14:11

If you mean one that isn't easily identifiable, or that is quite mixed, then those are interesting accents, but not neutral.

Hullygully · 30/08/2010 14:21

What about the Swiss? They speak neutral.

Habbibu · 30/08/2010 14:27
Habbibu · 30/08/2010 14:28

You'll be telling me there's no such thing as an Irish accent next, Ms Gully.

Habbibu · 30/08/2010 14:30

"Nothing changes if nothing changes". But then there's also plus ça change...

Habbibu · 30/08/2010 14:31

Fuck, wrong thread! Sorry...

spanieleyes · 30/08/2010 16:09

I'm from Yorkshire ( so contrary to previous comment, I DO have an accentGrin Both children were born in Ascot. The eldest had speech therapy in Barbados from an American but was mainly brought up in Cumbria and Lincolnshire, so you can imagine the accent he has developedConfused The youngest seems to have developed a scottish accent from somewhere!

NoahAndTheWhale · 30/08/2010 16:21

I think I used the word neutral as someone else earlier on in the thread did :)

I suppose I mean that my accent doesn't immediately identify me as coming from any particular part of the British Isles.

Butterbur · 30/08/2010 16:25

However posh your accent at home, your children will get to about 14 and start saying "I fink" and "innit", because otherwise they get called boffs and nerds, and a chav accent is cool.

Cortina · 30/08/2010 16:30

eceived Pronunciation (RP), also called the Queen's (or King's) English,[1] Oxford English,[2] or BBC English, is the accent of Standard English in England,[3] with a relationship to regional accents similar to the relationship in other European languages between their standard varieties and their regional forms.[4] Although there is nothing intrinsic about RP that marks it as superior to any other variety, sociolinguistic factors give Received Pronunciation particular prestige in England and Wales.[5] However, since World War II, a greater permissiveness towards allowing regional English varieties has taken hold in education[6] and in the media in England.
Contents [hide]
1 History
2 Usage
3 Status
4 Phonology
4.1 Consonants
4.2 Vowels
5 Historical variation
6 Comparison with other varieties of English
7 See also
8 Audio files
9 Notes
10 References
11 External links
[edit]History

The introduction of the term Received Pronunciation is usually credited to Daniel Jones after his comment in 1917 "In what follows I call it Received Pronunciation (abbreviation RP), for want of a better term."[7] However, the expression had actually been used much earlier by Alexander Ellis in 1869[8] and Peter DuPonceau in 1818[9] (the term used by Henry C. K. Wyld in 1927 was "received standard"[10]). According to Fowler's Modern English Usage (1965), the correct term is "the Received Pronunciation". The word received conveys its original meaning of accepted or approved ? as in "received wisdom".[11] The reference to this pronunciation as Oxford English is because it was traditionally the common speech of Oxford University; the production of dictionaries gave Oxford University prestige in matters of language. The extended versions of the Oxford English Dictionary give Received Pronunciation guidelines for each word.
RP is an accent (a form of pronunciation) and a register, rather than a dialect (a form of vocabulary and grammar as well as pronunciation).[citation needed] It may show a great deal about the social and educational background of a person who uses English. Anyone using the RP will typically speak Standard English although the reverse is not necessarily true (e.g. the standard language may be pronounced with a regional accent, such as a Yorkshire accent; but it is very unlikely that someone speaking RP would use it to speak Scots or Geordie).
RP is often believed to be based on the Southern accents of England, but in fact it has most in common with the Early Modern English dialects of the East Midlands. This was the most populated and most prosperous area of England during the 14th and 15th centuries. By the end of the 15th century, "Standard English" was established in the City of London.[12] A mixture of London speech with elements from East Midlands, Middlesex and Essex, became known as RP.[13]
[edit]Usage

Researchers generally distinguish between three different forms of RP: Conservative, General, and Advanced. Conservative RP refers to a traditional accent associated with older speakers with certain social backgrounds; General RP is often considered neutral regarding age, occupation, or lifestyle of the speaker; and Advanced RP refers to speech of a younger generation of British speakers.[14]
The modern style of RP is an accent often taught to non-native speakers learning British English[15]. Non-RP Britons abroad may modify their pronunciation to something closer to Received Pronunciation in order to be understood better by people unfamiliar with British regional accents. They may also modify their vocabulary and grammar to be closer to Standard English, for the same reason. RP is often used as the standard for English in most books on general phonology and phonetics and is represented in the pronunciation schemes of most dictionaries published in the United Kingdom.[clarification needed]
[edit]Status

Traditionally, Received Pronunciation was the "everyday speech in the families of Southern English persons whose men-folk [had] been educated at the great public boarding-schools"[16] and which conveyed no information about that speaker's region of origin prior to attending the school.
It is the business of educated people to speak so that no-one may be able to tell in what county their childhood was passed.
A. Burrell, Recitation. A Handbook for Teachers in Public Elementary School, 1891.
In the 19th century, there were still British prime ministers who spoke with some regional features, such as William Ewart Gladstone.[17]
From the 1970s onwards, attitudes towards Received Pronunciation have been changing slowly. The BBC's use of announcers with strong regional accents during and after World War II (in order to distinguish BBC broadcasts from German propaganda) is an earlier example of the use of non-RP accents.[citation needed]
[edit]Phonology

fryalot · 30/08/2010 16:33

Guess you won't want to know about anywhere oop north then?

Wink
Cortina · 30/08/2010 16:33

Meant did you mean received pronunciation, Noah?

poppyknot · 30/08/2010 16:37

Depends where you are even to be neutral.

I thought I was pretty 'neutral' when I was in London but a few keen-eared people picked up that I was Scottish.

Now in Central Scotland, I am deemed to be unplaceable 'English'(for this usually read 'posh') when in fact I am living 12 miles away from where I spent my first 22 years.

(Saw the QI the other day where Stephen Fry did the story of Maggie Smith's (looking for help with the Miss Brodie accent) encounter with the Morningsider who was indignant that her accent was considered Scottish. 'Aye di not have an ex-ent' )

It's all in the ear of the beholder rather than the speaker.

Gay40 · 30/08/2010 16:37

Gotta love Wiki.

rubyrubyruby · 30/08/2010 16:38

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teameric · 30/08/2010 16:54

I'm from East London and do try to speak "proper". But when I'm not thinking about it, end up dropping my t's and h's and saying "I fink".
wouldn't call myself a chav though, just common as muck! Grin

MrsBadger · 30/08/2010 17:01

re Helen / Ellen

I remember an ex telling me about a band called Heaven Over whose records I searched for in vain.
Eventually twigged he was talking about Heather Nova Confused
and he had been to one of the 'great public schools' mentioned on Wiki

he was, however, a dick

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