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school governance and the Big Society

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fabsoopergroovy · 07/08/2010 20:03

School Governance is a perfect example of Mr Cameron's Big Society at work.

Any views?

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MaryMotherOfCheeses · 07/08/2010 20:16

It is.

Seems to work. Already happens.

Not quite sure how Dave thinks it's going to change the world.

Marney · 16/08/2010 00:03

I dont really understand what this is asking is it about parents taking over running some schools.If it is I dont really see it working that well I dont think parents would stick around after their own children had grown up.I dont think their would always be other confident parents with the time to follow on But i think the idea of the big society is good. Id like to see teachers governors going along to local dyslexia meetings to listen to the parents concerns Its usually the same school not interested in getting their child assessed school claims huge waiting list school thinks cant be assesed yet too young .Then there is always the child seems to lack confidence they dont seem to realise if you cant read or spell that is likely to happen.
The big society will it mean schools will not look down on parents that parents will be able to get ther voice heard and schools instead of providing Ofsted with pointless questionares will give pupils questionares about thier schools and parents the same could their be an independant governor in schools that parents could easily make an appointment to see .In this big society could schools in not so posh areas have teachers who are qualified to teach the subjects at gcse I dont think we already have a big society at all Is the reason children not getting the help they need with reading and writing down to so many need it that starting with one their might just be too many more

fabsoopergroovy · 16/08/2010 15:09

Your state school governing body is made up of a bunch of well meaning volunteers generally from all walks of local life.

You will see from this what it's all about and what is expected of you.

Problems can and do arise and the school governing body is such a powerful tool IMO that it cannot be overruled.

I give you an example:-

In a rural community where everybody knows everybody else and the local school is very much part of the community - as it absolutely should be - long standing governors become very great friends with the Headteacher, so much so that the Headteacher has those particular governors 'eating out of her hand'. The danger is (and this has happened and I'm certain this is not a case in isolation) is that the HT is never challenged, is allowed to hide and manipulate figures and present to the general public a picture of a thriving school with no problems when in fact, the school is in freefall.

Parent governors are those with the most to gain from being elected as governor as by their very title they can become a part of the decision making processes within their child's school.

A great idea - in theory. In practice it can be such a different story.

Another example:-

Unhappy parents making formal complaints about a variety of subjects to the HT over the years. The Chair of Governors (Chair of a great many years) is always present at the complaint meeting (at the invitation of the HT). Naturally enough, parents think their complaints have been heard by the Governing Body but in fact, the full GB never gets to hear of them as the Chair and HT have deemed the complaints as resolved (even though parents think otherwise!) This misrepresentation even fools the Local Authority School Improvement Partner who visits HT approx 3 times a year to make sure all is well.

The worse case scenario:

Chair of Governors present on a formal complaint about the significant over assessment of a child by a teacher. Both HT and Chair have obviously reached a conclusion before the meeting takes place. Following an independent assessment of the child the HT forges a LA document making the marks seem closer to the teacher assessment (although still much lower) than they should have been. HT then refuses under Freedom of Information to release emails between LA and HT relating to this complaint until forced to do so by the LA.

A formal complaint about HT then follows and LA does not let Chair takes part due to earlier involvement and evidence of collusion with HT. Complaint is handled by Vice-Chair (parent governor) advised by LA.

HT suspended.

Disciplinary panel comprising 3 school governors thus far not involved dismiss HT for gross misconduct (facts are conclusive and indeed damning).

Appeal panel (further 3 governors not thus far involved) hear all evidence again and decide to reinstate her. Parents are aware of suspension (press coverage) but not aware of severity of complaint against her and are now of the opinion that the complaint must have been minor otherwise the LA wouldn't have let her return.

The LA had no choice but to let her return as the appeal panel governors decision is final. These governors are her friends and have businesses and local standing within the community. These well meaning volunteers are being asked to decide upon the fate of their friend - a judgement that will affect her future income, pension and social standing. At times like these the wellbeing and education of the children at their school is as far away from their minds as can possibly be. This cannot be right.

Finally, to rub salt into the wound, the Chair of Governors stood as character witness in the HT's defence at the appeal despite being told not to make contact whilst she was suspended.

This cannot be right - parents trust their HT and why wouldn't they? School governance IMO is a perfect example of how Big Society can go so wrong.

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TidyBush · 19/08/2010 12:10

fabsoopergroovy couldn't agree more. Don't want to go into too much detail as it might out me but I have been involved with governing bodies from the inside and outside and collussion between HTs and the select few governors is not uncommon.

It is scandalous that governors have legal responsibility for schools but many on the board do not have a clue what is really going on behind the scenes.

QueuePosition3 · 19/08/2010 12:13

yes but oyu make the mistake of thinking parents care.
most of them dont give a shit

fabsoopergroovy · 19/08/2010 16:24

QP2 - I would argue that if you asked parents (whether they care or not - and in my personal experience a majority of parents do care) to describe the role of the governing body, many many would ask 'what is a governing body?' (this has happened) and very few would understand the true 'power' they have.

This is wrong, wholly, wholly wrong. Believe it or not I have even had a teacher express disbelief that it was the school governing body who made the decision to let this headteacher return to school. She was absolutely adamant that as the LEA pays her wages then it has to be the LEA's decision regarding the fate of a headteacher!

Wrong, wrong, wrong!

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fabsoopergroovy · 19/08/2010 17:05

TidyBush - thanks for your comments. Common sense would dictate mine is not a case in isolation. How do you think this can be addressed?

I believe the previous government were considering reform including making governing bodies much smaller and more 'focused' (whatever that may mean). I am awaiting our local MP's response to this. All seems to have gone astonshingly quiet presumably because as yet there is no policy re school governance to speak of.

When something goes wrong it can be catastophic as IMO my case illustrates. It can be nothing short of legalised corruption with LEA powerless to intervene.

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TidyBush · 19/08/2010 17:41

fabsoopergroovy IMO it would be preferable to have all governors on a fixed term of office with no repeat terms in any one school. However, with a national shortage it's not likely to happen any time soon.

I've seen a cohort of governors (10yrs+ service each) step down at the end of their term then re-nominate and vote each other in again all within 5 mins.

There was no discussion about whether or not the apporpriate skills were being represented by the board and so it's back to the status quo of the HT and COG setting everything up to be rubber stamped by the old boys and the unsuspecting new parent governors, who either walk away disollusioned after their 4 years orbecome part of the 'inner circle' and are co-opted onto the board under a different category.

fabsoopergroovy · 19/08/2010 18:52

Tidy - your experiences are strikingly and alarmingly similar to mine. Add to that 'intimidation' by very highly regarded foundation governor towards newly elected parent governors aka 'the tea and scones treatment' and the illegal reappointment of a parent governor (who towed the party line) without even offering nominations to the parents.........

LEA acknowledge and have substantiated all of this and still say they are powerless to act.

School governors hold public office - I challenge anyone to illustrate just one more area of public office where public officials are allowed to behave in such a way.

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LucindaCarlisle · 19/08/2010 18:55

There should be a limit to the number of years any one person can hold the post of Chair of Governors, perhaps a max of three years. I have seen a long term CofG ruin a school, by manipulating the appointment of a deputy head teacher.

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