.......Have reported a "Nazi Holocaust" headscarf twice to ebay & they have STILL not removed??!!!..........

[willywonka]

Came across it when looking for a headscarf the other week and would apppear that it's a regular item in stock for this particular power seller. Have now reported it twice as a "potentially offensive" item (or something similar) through the usual ebay links but they're still for sale .
Surely this should not be allowed? Or maybe I'm just being unreasonable...?

It's billed as ''could be used for fancy dress''

Nice. I'll remember that next time they've run out of Little Bo Peep costumes and I need a nice alternative..

Isnt the maltese cross the symbol/guardian of the New York (and general USA) fire department??

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manictreecreature - maybe you could let Prince Harry know?

Yeah, maltese crosses are for North American fire departments, ime. The description is strange, but the print itself doesn't say 'Nazi' to me, it says 'firefighting pirates'.

The fact that it is being sold as "Nazi Holocaust" should be sufficient grounds for withdrawing it from sale imho.

nazi memorabilia is not banned in uk, though in germany it is....agree, this is not nazi..

....willywonka..if far right symbols offend you do far left ones too?

hammer and sickle and the like?

...and this leads to one of my favourite questions (and songs)....who made the nazis?

Can't remember the last time I saw any far left symbols used to celebrate the deaths of millions - whether Jewish, gay, disabled, Romany and many other peoples who failed to live up to Aryan "perfection". Nor would I expect even your average Daily Mail reader to find this sort of thing acceptable either (and, yes, I am generalising hugely with this remark and you can count some of my very close family in this category). Fundamentally though I abhor the promotion of hatred in any form but maybe I just live in a rose-tinted Utopia?

suzy are you serious?

its not actually the fact that symbol is one used by extremists that bothers me. (though i'd argue that the hammer and sickle ISN'T anyway)

Its the fact that its a nucleation point for people who want to actually kill other people for being genetically (and in other ways) different to them

the holicaust went way beyond the jews, though of course the jewish holocaust was important. The nazis also killed "gypsies" (pretty much all the sinti and many roma), trade unionists, gay/lesbians and many, many other groups. They sought to reduce women to kinde,kurche, kuche (?sp?) bascially children, church, cooking , i think.

so really, this is not the sort of thing to be celebrated really, IMO

and agree that THIS is def a maltese cross (and also with history)

but who feckin CARES

its being advertised as bloody nazi holocaust stuff

its NOT ok

was serious question actually...

i know the history fillijonk....have vistied Auschwitz Birkeneau, Theresntadt, and many other nazi death camps and memorials to the many victims....

but, they were not the only ones to murder people who didn't fit into their blinkered view of society or dared to question them....

..ask relative or victim of russian gulag if they find the symbol used by totalitarian soviet union offensive...what do they and others oppressed under this system what they feel when they see hammer and sickle...

i'm sorry, i disagree

there have been many "holocausts". I utterly agree. I am also always uneasy when the nazi holocuast is considered a special case

look at britain during the boer war (where concentration camps were invented), not to mention the entire slave trade. in sheer terms of human suffering that beats nazism into a cocked hat, imo.

BUT

what is unique about the nazi holocaust is that it REMAINS a rallying point for racism and hatred.

This is not true of the hammer and sickle or the stars and stripes or any other flag, really.

Completely irrelevant, but as soon as I saw the description of it being useful for fancy dress parties, Prince Harry came to mind.

Perhaps the most disturbing thing about this, is that descibing the scarf as a "nazi holocaust scarf" would put normal people off, so the seller presumably is trying to attract the kind of buyer who would be interested in buying more obviously nazi memorabilia from him offline. I bet that's why he put this up. He knows E-bay wouldn't allow him to sell stuff with swastikas on, so he puts something up that he can argue isn't technically nazi memorabilia (a lot of people wouldn't realise the cross was, I didn't) but by describing it as such, he's going to get enquiring e-mails from nutters who want to buy more nazi memorabilia from him, but they'll do it direct not via e-bay. Just a guess, but that's what I suspect.

I think that given the wording of the auction, in conjunction with the questionable if not illegal symbol, this particular item is wholly inappropriate, and if there was an item stating: "here is a headscarf that glorifies the gulags/death camps of soviet russia and it sports a fetching hammer and sickle to wear when you dress up like stalin" then I would object as well, because it is a glorification of a regime that extolled violence

However, the rhetoric of the far right which makes claims, not about equality and social class, but instead about racial superiority and inferiority will always be more objectionable to me than a no-doubt flawed (and frequently abused to violent ends) rhetoric about human social equality.

have reported it. Without even going into the details of the symbolism etc. ,the title is offensive in itself.

have also reported the description title of item. don't understand why it's been used unless to offend? unsure why the delay in action on their part - as a powerseller perhaps they are more concerned in £ than the buyers' being offended( must add that ebay have removed racist things (not this seller) before when we have complained)

don't think it's the maltese cross, isn't it the iron cross? (which i know is used by neo-nazi's, but in itself isn't unlawful)

not a daily mail reader myself, but wasn't it the Daily Mail that woke the nation up about Stephen Lawrence and the police's racist attitude to his murder?

any sort of extreme politics left or right is dangerous wherever it is, even the threat of it (if you have to kill/use violence/hate for political reasons you're way off the mark )

yes it is the iron cross (see my link earlier) but it is often referred to as a maltese cross because it is loosely derived from it

The title is offensive, I agree, and should be pulled/changed. I think the vendor is just selling a lot of scarves, though - look at his/her other auctions.

we thought that maybe he/she was just a bit of a div and or had associated themselves with BNP type people(habitual holocaust deniers(and they want to run the country god help us )) so was completely obvilious to offending by the choice of title

has anyone tried asking the seller a question and asking him/her to change the title?

also agree with GiantSquirrelSpotters point as there has to be a reason why the title is as it is, sorry missed this off my last post

Filly, the British did not 'invent' concentration camps, and using it in the same context as Nazi death camps is to be misinformed.

During the Boer War there was an outbreak of fever (scarlet fever, I think), and Boer women and children were segregated as a precautionary measure, with the aim of treating them. Viewed with modern eyes, the action may seem clumsy, since so many of them died in the camps - but they died of scarlet fever, not from any policy of ethnic cleansing.

The Brits have never been that shite.

And incidentally, the NAZI party was, according to its name, a socialist party. Regardless of that, right-wing, left-wing tags are of little historical use. Stalin killed six times more people that Hitler, but in many colleges and universities event today, his name is revered.

Does it hurt less to be tortured, imprisoned, gassed, or starved by a left-wing tormentor?

that is not the nazi sign well not the one iv seen in the war films

sickening, have reported it.

Reported it also, for all the obvious reasons that any intelligent person can see.

nazi are evil

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