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How do you know when enough is enough?

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SaraG3018 · 08/06/2025 10:04

I've been married 11 years to DH and have an almost 6yo DD and a 7mo DD. Recently we have not been getting along for various reasons but primarily because he's exhausted, but not helping as much as he could. I've been on mat leave but am about to go back to work. I have happily taken on night duties the entire time because, mat leave.

But without any other support I myself have paid for a cleaner one a fortnight to do deep cleaning, a part- time nanny a few hours each week literally so I can grab one nap in the week and do all the laundry, daily cleaning and batch cooking. I've been the only one to research and sort out when DD2 had silent reflux. Initially she wouldn't sleep lying down so we slept together propped upright a few nights, which caused my c section wound to open up.

My midwife ordered that I get some support at night, which DH didn't want to do so I used my savings to pay for a night nanny just for a few weeks so my wound could close up. I researched and carried out gentle sleep training a month ago in anticipation of restarting work. Despite those hours I prep while the nanny is there I still do the daily cooking and cleaning, bathing and bedtimes.

DH does do drop off and pick up of DD1 most days, including giving her breakfast and getting her ready for school. He also deals with a lot of house admin, including garden and diy, car bits, childcare admin and insurance. And I see him doing a lot daily and being tired so I try not to complain.

But recently it's been getting on top of us. To say I'm sleep deprived is not enough. I had a bad pregnancy and so I've not had one night's sleep in about 15 months now. I was on sertraline but I've thankfully weaned off now, but still finding myself reaching the end of my tether really quickly.

I have a diastasis gap in my stomach big enough to punch a fist through but have been told its just 1cm shy of where the NHS would fix it, so I either deal with it or pay £9k. My hair is falling out endlessly and my elderly parents need my help with their own house and medical admin daily.

Meanwhile, I catch DH needing a nap almost daily. On top of uninterrupted nights of sleep. And then complaining to me every morning about how he didn't sleep well. He watches tv late, eats endless take out and junk food late at night, refuses to deal with his sleep apnoea or go to the Dr's to check for vitamin deficiencies, so I and DD1 just have to deal with his tired moods.

He yells at DD1 for her typically trying 5yo behaviour daily. She's now scared of him and often asks me not to tell him when she's done something. I, my family, friends and teachers all think she's on balance a pretty well behaved lovely girl. She leaves toys around, doesn't appreciate them and gets fussy with eating but listens if I tell her a few times. But he will not engage with any parenting discussions or research with me. He just employs yelling, growling, or excessive punishment like no tv for the week or something which makes her cry. It's deteriorating their relationship and affecting the household dynamic a lot.

I've tried and tried to talk to him about this a lot but the way it goes is this- I tell him all these things, he disagrees and thinks I'm not appreciating how stressed and tired he is and all the things he does do. I think I'm not being listened to or supported and then I end up quietly resenting him. And then I make snippy remarks here and there because I just don't know what the hell to do. That all builds up and then a few weeks later we have a big fight. In the last big fight he told me I do f all, that I just give birth and then sit on my a**.

Last night was another, in which he told me he's had enough and can't live with me. He had a big fight with DD1 and when she woke up and tried to apologise to him he told her he doesn't want to speak to her and she cried. She then made him a cute I'm sorry card and tried to give it to him and he said no. She cried again. So I went to him and tried to say, look whatever is happening between us please don't take it out on her look at the card she's trying to do her best to say sorry. He scrunched it up and threw it on the floor and said he's done with all of us and that I've poisoned her mind against him.

He's saying all the things this morning, alllll the things. And I just don't know. When is enough enough? He won't do couple therapy I've tried to ask many times. But I have two little girls to think about. What the hell do i do. Sorry for the rambling rant, I'm just at wits end as you can tell. I don't just want to hear things supporting my frustration or telling me to leave. I have a baby. Like what can I practically try? Thanks.

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unsync · 08/06/2025 10:22

Protect your daughters. There's a point when it becomes obvious that things won't change or improve. Be honest with yourself, have you reached it?

Drew79 · 08/06/2025 10:43

Good god thats awful. As a dad, I remember with my second child I really struggled with the sleep deprivation and sheer amount to do, and it all seemed 10x harder than with the first child, but being cruel to your DD1 and you, is unforgiveable.
He doesn't sound well. Is there any of his family that could support you and talk to him? Can you get some support for yourself through your family/friends?
If he doesn't reflect on his actions then beg your daughter and you for forgiveness after that, then there's something very wrong.

Fishergirl · 08/06/2025 10:44

Your paragraph about his behaviour with your 5yo DD last night reminds me of my stbexh. He did similar with our ds (not as bad though). It's disgusting behaviour and it's fed into my decision to divorce him.
Your poor daughter. She is a vulnerable child and his behaviour towards her is abusive.

I know you don't want to hear things telling you to leave and I get that. It's hard when you have a young family. But... I was in (and are still in!) your shoes and things haven't improved massively so I'm divorcing him! I owe it to my son and myself to have happy and peaceful lives.

I had therapy myself which helped massively. You say he won't engage in couples therapy, how about you having a course of sessions for just you?

I recommend reading 'Why does he do that?' by Lundy Bancroft and listening to/reading 'Let Them' by Mel Robbins. It's helped me understand and unpick his behaviour, and mine in our relationship.

livelovelough24 · 09/06/2025 23:39

When is enough? I would say, enough is NOW!

icantgetnosheep1 · 09/06/2025 23:49

I’d say about now, this is not helpful at all. The early years are tough and without the full support of the other parent it just amplifies how frigging hard it is on you! He’s doing some stuff admittedly but zero night support and the fact you’ve paid all this money out to hire in support speaks volumes, the cruel way he’s treated your young daughter is damaging to say the least. It’s sad to admit it but I don’t see this changing anytime soon - from experience I tell you that over time you’ll lose total respect for him and things will just continue to get worse.

TulipLavender · 09/06/2025 23:57

I'm really sorry that you are going though this. I have experienced similar. I ended things when my DD was 4 months because I knew that I didn't want her to grow up thinking that this kind of relationship was acceptable. In my case there was a lot of emotional abuse, shouting and swearing but also I couldn't accept his behaviour towards my DS who was 2. Shouting, anger, emotional immaturity.
I think you have to decide if his behaviour can change and is only due to temporary factors or if this is who he is. Please think very carefully about the long term impact on her growing up.
It's really hard.

Tiswa · 10/06/2025 00:00

Nothing there is nothing you can do.

He needs to go and fix his sleep apnea and other issues becuase that is I suspect at least his sleeping issues and tiredness but he wont

Yoi can’t fix this what you can do is protect your poor daughters from this man

NJLX2021 · 10/06/2025 03:00

I think you guys are done.

If that is your side of the story - I imagine he has his side, which would paint you in an equally awful light (give the comments you say he makes, and your arguments).

Is he right, are you right? Are you both right or wrong? Are you being 100% fair in your descriptions, or are you leaving out the points he would make against you?

Who knows. It doesn't matter. If it has gotten to this point where you both are saying you cant live together, and you are describing his horrible actions (and he is likely doing the same to you), then it is likely unsavable.

SaraG3018 · 17/06/2025 02:43

Thank you so much for the responses here. @unsync I am trying my best to protect them yes, but that often means I take them out or take on the brunt of all the care which is just not sustainable. I agree with @Drew79 he's definitely not completely well. SO I had a long talk with him and finally got him to agree to marriage counselling which is HUGE.

@Fishergirl I'm sorry to hear about your shared experiences. I do actually have private therapy once every few weeks, I have done so for years. I think by the fact that he's agreed to do therapy together it could be a last line to try, though I agree that when we had those last two fights he was abusive and it is not ok. @NJLX2021 he definitely has his views about how much I make unhelpful comments and he's right, but when i try to understand more of his view he won't really give me much to go on. I want to know. Of course there's two sides and i want to know what I've done but other than snips, I've no idea. Maybe the therapy will help. If nothing changes from the therapy I will not let it stand.

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