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What might divorce look like for us?

35 replies

CrumbsInMyBra · 15/02/2025 15:51

Hi
I’m 29 married to my husband who is 40. We have been together since July 2021 when we first met but married only for a year and 2 weeks. We have a 9 month old. We are in England.

The marriage has broken down beyond repair and it has become increasingly apparent that we are unable to live harmoniously under the same roof so absolutely must go our separate ways. My husband has threatened me with divorce many times but more recently when I’ve asked him to make it a reality and pay the money to submit the paperwork, he is refusing saying I should pay for something for once.

Here is a high level overview about what is going on.

  • We currently live in his 4 bedroom 1.5 bathroom childhood family home that he now owns. We live with his brother, his cousin joined us from abroad for university here, his tenant and often the tenant’s gf comes to stay.
  • My husband earns almost £6k in a high-pressure finance job. He has investment properties, unsure of how many. He owns a business. I earn half of what he earns in a public sector job but currently on maternity leave. Maternity pay has now gone to zero.
  • My husband has £250k of his own money saved up that he intends to put down as a deposit on a new family home. He then wishes to let out all the rooms in the current house we live in for additional income. He found the house that he wanted us to move to and it came down to us agreeing a completion date with sellers. My husband asked me to sign the mortgage deed a couple days ago and I refused. I had told him before that since it’s all his money going for the deposit and he said he will be paying the full mortgage each month then it’s better he puts it all in his name. He said that’s fine because I add no value anyway and he could easily afford it without me. Since I add no value, no idea why he was still insisting I sign the mortgage deed.
  • He has over £25k in one of his many accounts. When I told him my maternity pay had ended he said I should use my savings. I have approx £19k in savings with a large majority locked up in a lifetime ISA.
  • He pays all the bills. I only cover groceries. He often uses that to throw in my face whenever I say something he doesn’t like or complain about the general living situation.
  • We have no shared assets currently.
  • We have had a lot of nasty fights about the living situation. He believes I am ungrateful and entitled. I believe he lacks any kind of understanding about how unbearable it is and how it has essentially contributed to the breakdown of our marriage. From my perspective, he puts the tenant on a silly pedestal above me. He tells me he’s known the tenant longer than me, the tenant has been good to him, the tenant hasn’t had a gf the whole time he’s been living with him so now he has a gf coming round he wants to respect their “privacy” i.e. we leave the kitchen for them. If I do something in the house he doesn’t like, he will get belligerently loud and make a fuss about it but if tenant does it he’ll just look the other way.
  • It’s not just the living situation, it’s also the lack of love in this marriage. I love my son but we really are 2 people that had absolutely no business having a baby together or getting married together. I’m not perfect and wasn’t expecting perfection from him but I do believe he has traits that are completely incompatible with a successful marriage and he is unwilling to work on these deficiencies and has often said to me “nothing’s changing round here so if you don’t like it, you can leave”
  • Last weekend we had a really awful fight when the tenant had put his duvet in our dirty laundry cupboard. To me, that is crossing a boundary and is inappropriate. I had seen tenant before looking through our cupboards where we also keep misc. baby stuff and another cupboard with important filing docs - passport, birth certificate etc. probably looking for a space to put the duvet. He pays for a room, why does he need to put his duvet in our laundry cupboard it just feels like a massive invasion of privacy but my husband insisted that the duvet is going back in there (I had taken it out). He said he had agreed with the tenant before I was ever around that he could put stuff in there apparently. He often says I like to complain about small stuff when he’s trying to focus on the bigger picture and I’m just distracting him and I’m small-minded. That fight escalated very badly and, without going into detail, became physical.
  • I have never asked my husband for money in the dating stage nor now that we’re married. He has also never given me money, dating stage nor married. I went into his wallet today and picked one of his many cards and it just happened to be the card for the account that has £25k. I know my husband likes to put all his spending on credit cards rather than debit but I was acting quickly and took that card anyway and went and gave myself a late Valentine’s Day treat by using his card to pay for my nails. The tenant and his gf were in the house today and I’ve repeatedly told my husband that I’m sick of them wiping their bums off my maternity pay used to buy toilet roll. We had ran out of toilet roll so after doing my nails I did a supermarket stop and bought lots of toilet roll and other little things and then I made sure to fill up my car tank all on his dime. When I got home he obviously realised and was furious with me and met me by the car outside demanding his card back saying I was trying to mess up his credit. He then snatched some of the shopping I did and threw it and then stomped on some of it. This would have been in full view of neighbours if they looked out their windows.

I guess what I’m asking is what might divorce look like for us and will it be very costly? I’m not after any of my husbands money really and being that it is such a short marriage with no shared assets I doubt I’m entitled to anything. What I do want though is a quick exit from this marriage at his expense. Plus he has the money for it so why not him. After all I’ve been through this past year, I want him to foot the bill of all the legal costs but how likely would that be considering main factors are short marriage, no shared assets, childcare arrangements and domestic violence?

OP posts:
Checkhov · 15/02/2025 15:55

I am very sorry that you are in this situation. Please get proper advice from a solicitor and I think that you're right to sign nothing.

Mrsttcno1 · 15/02/2025 16:04

When we’re talking about such a short marriage the courts would likely just put you back as if the marriage never happened, so you’re not going to get his pension/house/savings etc, obviously you will get CMS.

You need legal advice and you’ll have to pay for it, in divorce you pay your own legal fees so that’s something to factor in.

doyouknowthemuffinman42 · 15/02/2025 16:07

So toxic
So sorry you're in this.

You need legal advice

CrumbsInMyBra · 15/02/2025 16:09

Mrsttcno1 · 15/02/2025 16:04

When we’re talking about such a short marriage the courts would likely just put you back as if the marriage never happened, so you’re not going to get his pension/house/savings etc, obviously you will get CMS.

You need legal advice and you’ll have to pay for it, in divorce you pay your own legal fees so that’s something to factor in.

That’s fine. I really don’t need or want any of his money. I just want to start my life over again like he never existed to be quite honest. I just want him to be ordered to pay the majority of any legal costs. I’ve read that can happen that one party is ordered to pay the other party’s costs but it is rare and only in specific circumstances.

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sometimesmovingforwards · 15/02/2025 16:09

Mrsttcno1 · 15/02/2025 16:04

When we’re talking about such a short marriage the courts would likely just put you back as if the marriage never happened, so you’re not going to get his pension/house/savings etc, obviously you will get CMS.

You need legal advice and you’ll have to pay for it, in divorce you pay your own legal fees so that’s something to factor in.

Not sure about that - a mother and child that need housing plus a husband with money… the state will want to ensure everything is done with martial assets to avoid tax payers having to subsidise her costs in social housing.
Think there’s a decent chance she’ll get enough money for a house if he has surplus funds.

EmmaMaria · 15/02/2025 16:16

sometimesmovingforwards · 15/02/2025 16:09

Not sure about that - a mother and child that need housing plus a husband with money… the state will want to ensure everything is done with martial assets to avoid tax payers having to subsidise her costs in social housing.
Think there’s a decent chance she’ll get enough money for a house if he has surplus funds.

If she continues to steal his cards and take money from acounts without permission, then the state may very well end up paying for her housing. Marriage doesn't give one permission to steal money from the spouses account.

sometimesmovingforwards · 15/02/2025 16:22

EmmaMaria · 15/02/2025 16:16

If she continues to steal his cards and take money from acounts without permission, then the state may very well end up paying for her housing. Marriage doesn't give one permission to steal money from the spouses account.

Fair, I was just giving a general view.
I didn’t get to that bit of detail, OP was too long and waffling.

CrumbsInMyBra · 15/02/2025 16:28

EmmaMaria · 15/02/2025 16:16

If she continues to steal his cards and take money from acounts without permission, then the state may very well end up paying for her housing. Marriage doesn't give one permission to steal money from the spouses account.

I did that once. There was a lot I addressed in my post about what is going on. I’m sure a £50 sainsburys purchase won’t do him too much damage. He might be looking for a new wife soon. Are you available?

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CrumbsInMyBra · 15/02/2025 16:31

sometimesmovingforwards · 15/02/2025 16:09

Not sure about that - a mother and child that need housing plus a husband with money… the state will want to ensure everything is done with martial assets to avoid tax payers having to subsidise her costs in social housing.
Think there’s a decent chance she’ll get enough money for a house if he has surplus funds.

My parents have a very large home in London that I can always return to. My plan is to return to parents during divorce and save up to find my own accommodation. I wouldn’t really need or maybe even be eligible for social housing.

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sometimesmovingforwards · 15/02/2025 16:33

So why not just go then, initiated divorce proceedings by letter and let your solicitor do it all.
You don’t need his permission.

EmmaMaria · 15/02/2025 16:35

CrumbsInMyBra · 15/02/2025 16:28

I did that once. There was a lot I addressed in my post about what is going on. I’m sure a £50 sainsburys purchase won’t do him too much damage. He might be looking for a new wife soon. Are you available?

Theft is theft. They don't discount it if it's only once. And yes there was a lot in the OP. I was also perplexed at a major row over a duvet.

Turmerictolly · 15/02/2025 16:35

As much as it stings, I think you'll have to pay or split the costs of petitioning for the divorce. You could also look at mediation to bash out a financial settlement or the other option is court. In any of those scenarios you'll need legal advice which will unfortunately cost. The minimum he'll have to pay is child maintenance.

Mrsttcno1 · 15/02/2025 16:36

CrumbsInMyBra · 15/02/2025 16:09

That’s fine. I really don’t need or want any of his money. I just want to start my life over again like he never existed to be quite honest. I just want him to be ordered to pay the majority of any legal costs. I’ve read that can happen that one party is ordered to pay the other party’s costs but it is rare and only in specific circumstances.

You don’t really have grounds to argue for this, each party in divorce is required to pay their own.

CrumbsInMyBra · 15/02/2025 16:40

EmmaMaria · 15/02/2025 16:35

Theft is theft. They don't discount it if it's only once. And yes there was a lot in the OP. I was also perplexed at a major row over a duvet.

Wth are you talking about? What does a total spend of £135 on his card on nails, sainsburys and petrol have to do with the grand picture of divorce. You’re being very odd.

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OhNoFloyd · 15/02/2025 16:41

I think you need to stop and ask yourself why you feel so strongly that he should pay for the divorce. It feels like you're subconsciously stopping yourself from just getting on with it by inventing an arbitrary rule that you'll only do it if he pays.

In your position, I'd pack a bag right now, take my dc and move in with my parents. I'd ask around my divorced friends for a recommendation for a lawyer and on Monday I'd call one of them and instruct them to start proceedings.

Snorlaxo · 15/02/2025 16:42

The bare minimum that you are entitled to is Child Maintenance because the marriage was short. If he agrees with that very good (for him) offer then legal costs will be minimal and you wouldn’t need a solicitor. Instead of legal costs it might be worth asking for your stuff (you and your son) to be transported to your parents’ home instead.

CrumbsInMyBra · 15/02/2025 16:48

OhNoFloyd · 15/02/2025 16:41

I think you need to stop and ask yourself why you feel so strongly that he should pay for the divorce. It feels like you're subconsciously stopping yourself from just getting on with it by inventing an arbitrary rule that you'll only do it if he pays.

In your position, I'd pack a bag right now, take my dc and move in with my parents. I'd ask around my divorced friends for a recommendation for a lawyer and on Monday I'd call one of them and instruct them to start proceedings.

Yeah I think you have a great point. I guess the wanting him to pay is coming from the angle of wanting to punish him really.

I am absolutely not perfect. I have my own weaknesses and try and do honest self reflection in my own time but it is harder to be a better person and remain calm when you’re living with a belligerent asshole. I thinks it’s really a case of all I’ve been through this past year, I just don’t want him to get off easy and that would be by making him pay. I know I would also have to put up some money too obviously.

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StormingNorman · 15/02/2025 16:49

You can just go to your parents and apply for the divorce online.

My mum was in the unusual situation of the court awarding some of her legal costs to my dad, but that was only because he dicked the court around and frustrated the process at every turn. All he was required to pay though was the excess costs caused by his shenanigans. Mum paid the standard costs.

OneWittySquid · 15/02/2025 16:56

You sound as bad as each other. You should fund your own legal costs especially on a short marriage. Stealing is never ok and he could report you for fraud.

CrumbsInMyBra · 15/02/2025 16:59

OneWittySquid · 15/02/2025 16:56

You sound as bad as each other. You should fund your own legal costs especially on a short marriage. Stealing is never ok and he could report you for fraud.

He is free to report me for fraud. I can also report him to the police for abuse.

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CrispieCake · 15/02/2025 17:04

OP, you've had some unsympathetic responses. You'll get more than CM because, even though the marriage has been relatively short, there is a child from the relationship who will need to be cared for and housed and there are sufficient assets to allow for you both to have adequate housing. The court will start with a consideration of the needs of your DC, and your husband will have to make provision for those in the settlement.

You need a lawyer though. Given your husband's extensive financial resources, there's a good chance he'd be required to pay your legal fees.

Itiswhatitis80 · 15/02/2025 17:08

If you don’t want any of the money then you can just get a no fault divorce online for £592 I think it is.

CrumbsInMyBra · 15/02/2025 17:19

CrispieCake · 15/02/2025 17:04

OP, you've had some unsympathetic responses. You'll get more than CM because, even though the marriage has been relatively short, there is a child from the relationship who will need to be cared for and housed and there are sufficient assets to allow for you both to have adequate housing. The court will start with a consideration of the needs of your DC, and your husband will have to make provision for those in the settlement.

You need a lawyer though. Given your husband's extensive financial resources, there's a good chance he'd be required to pay your legal fees.

Thank you. I don’t expect everyone to get it really, I’m the one living it at the end of the day and it is a nightmare.

I will work on getting some legal advice and getting things underway.

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CrumbsInMyBra · 15/02/2025 17:23

EmmaMaria · 15/02/2025 16:35

Theft is theft. They don't discount it if it's only once. And yes there was a lot in the OP. I was also perplexed at a major row over a duvet.

Yes because you are missing the point sadly.

The fight wasn’t about a duvet, the fight ultimately was about boundaries. Once a boundary is crossed it is harder to reel things back in. After giving the tenant free reign to go in and out of our cupboards and store whatever he wants in there, what next boundary will be walked over? He pays rent for a double bedroom that is where he should store his things. If a duvet can’t fit in his bedroom, I was going to assist him with walking it to the trash outside but my husband insisted that it must stay in the cupboard.

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millymollymoomoo · 15/02/2025 17:28

What are you expecting it to look like ?