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AIBU...If you left, when do you stop 'giving them time'?!

26 replies

trailblazer42 · 29/12/2024 10:56

Brief background: together since 18 - 24yrs, married 20, not been happy for a long time, fallen out of love with husband due to some of his behaviour. I played my part in not communicating my issues but I've never felt comfortable to talk to him. A month of stonewalling in February led to me saying I wanted a separation. I backed down, agreed to 'try', came to head in July, talked about divorce then I backed down. Finally left at the end of October, moving into an AirBnB with DD(16). DS (18) stayed at home with dad. I moved into a rental property the Monday before Christmas and am making it our home for the next few months.

STBX's reaction to all this has felt extreme. He has known since March that separation/divorce is what I've wanted. In the time since we have tried to connect but I just don't feel anything for him. Not love or hate, just apathy. I have felt so guilty about wanting to leave and have been in counselling since March to reconcile this with myself.

When I left he had five weeks off work (teacher, so all paid). He couldn't possibly work with everything that was going on. He wasn't sleeping, barely eating and devoted this time to researching how to fix our marriage, how my depression and mental illness was to blame (I have anxiety, it isn't!) and talking to my friends and family about my initmacy issues (as we have never had emotional intimacy).

During this time and since he has sent me many, many messages....ones of undying love, ones telling me I've ruined his life and 'thrown him under the bus', he's recorded himself singing (badly!) and written poems, put together videos of family memories and set them to music, sent me song lyrics about me being a 'man eater', told me I'm inhuman, that he's sad for me and that I'll never be happy, drawn pictures of our family and given me gifts, slagged off my family for all being emotionally incapable....every message ends with a 'please come home' despite the content, and his insistence that we can have a wonderful life if I'll let us. You get the idea!

Some days I have 10 messages and I can't face opening them. I started a chat for practical stuff as I was missing things we needed to discuss about the kids. Yesterday, he removed himself from this, presumably because I had 8 Whatsapps unread and 5 imessages unread.

When this started, for me, it was all about me and my feelings. Yes, he had influenced them but it was very much about myself so I was tolerant of the shock and upset. But now he's made it all about himself, is very much the victim and I struggle to be around him. We've spent some time together at Christmas with family but I struggle to be in the same room as him because of some of the hurtful things he's said. He doesn't see this and uses this as 'evidence' of my emotional inadequacy.

He only has his sister to talk to and she's being very good to me too, but keeps telling me to take it slowly, not rush him into decisions around houses or finances, and that he's not ready for conversations about divorce. He apparently found me leaving such a shock that he feels like this started in October, and appears to have glossed over the months before it.

Am I being unreasonable to expect him to have moved to some sort of acceptance in this time? Not acceptance of my feelings (I'm not deluded that that will ever happen) but that this is happening and he needs to deal with where we are, not where he thinks we should be.

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CoffeeINeedCoffee · 29/12/2024 11:41

Tbh if you know you don't want to reconcile, then you should just start divorce proceedings.

Once it's gone, it's gone, imo. 🤷‍♀️

sonjadog · 29/12/2024 11:51

I think you are right. While you aren’t moving this along, he can be in denial about it. Time for him to face it.

AutumnFroglets · 29/12/2024 12:17

Start the divorce yourself. You can do it online.

You need your share of the finances so you can move on, so start by getting the house valued. Take pictures in case he decides to wreck it to devalue it (it has been known).

Doggymummar · 29/12/2024 12:19

File the divorce papers. Your kids are grown, there is no need to communicate block him everywhere, which you should have done from day 1

Undisclosedlocation · 29/12/2024 12:22

With respect, all this pussyfooting around is harming him by giving him a false sense of hope

If it’s over, then for his sake as much as your own, it’s time to pull the trigger and get out properly. Practical talk about the kids,finances only. And no meet ups for ‘family’ time
Imo that’s a bit cruel, even though it’s probably well meant

RupertCampbellBlacksEgo · 29/12/2024 12:24

There's no need for you both to be in contact. Block him, divorce, enjoy life.

TangerineClementine · 29/12/2024 12:25

Can you mute his messages so you don't see them pop up? He's not being unreasonable to feel upset but at some point it tips over into harassment.

loveawineloveacrisp · 29/12/2024 12:28

Your kids are teens so you have no need at all to communicate with him. They can arrange their own time with their dad. My DD was only 7 when I divorced and I spent way too many years being controlled by him via our daughter. It's one of my biggest regrets. Block him and move on, he needs to get on with his life.

specialsauce · 29/12/2024 12:28

You need to rip the plaster off.

It's the kindest way.

It's over. Be firm.

Sicario · 29/12/2024 12:29

Divorce is always a horrible business. Best to rip the plaster off, commence proceedings, and tell him to please stop bombarding you with unwanted contact.

If he doesn't stop, report the unwanted contact to the police. They will take you seriously and will tell him to stop.

Get yourself a good lawyer and take their advice.

You might also consider getting a new phone and email address so you can limit his contact with you, or choose not to have any at all.

TowerBallroom · 29/12/2024 12:34

He sounds so emotionally immature
of course it's now all your fault 🙄

He will never change nor accept his part in this
Be firm, it's over, stop messaging
Set up email for comms relating to kids, house, divorce
Any further communications such as unpleasant songs, disparaging you or your family will be deemed as harassment and reported-solicitors letter if required

trailblazer42 · 29/12/2024 19:09

Undisclosedlocation · 29/12/2024 12:22

With respect, all this pussyfooting around is harming him by giving him a false sense of hope

If it’s over, then for his sake as much as your own, it’s time to pull the trigger and get out properly. Practical talk about the kids,finances only. And no meet ups for ‘family’ time
Imo that’s a bit cruel, even though it’s probably well meant

I get that, but daughter turning 16 and Christmas has made it tricky.

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trailblazer42 · 29/12/2024 19:10

loveawineloveacrisp · 29/12/2024 12:28

Your kids are teens so you have no need at all to communicate with him. They can arrange their own time with their dad. My DD was only 7 when I divorced and I spent way too many years being controlled by him via our daughter. It's one of my biggest regrets. Block him and move on, he needs to get on with his life.

Unfortunately my daughter doesn’t speak to him either (she was also subject to his silence and their relationship was very precarious anyway) and we still need to co-parent her…and the dog! She’s clever but not mattered WhatsApp yet!

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trailblazer42 · 29/12/2024 19:11

TangerineClementine · 29/12/2024 12:25

Can you mute his messages so you don't see them pop up? He's not being unreasonable to feel upset but at some point it tips over into harassment.

I have but I can see them sitting there and it just makes me anxious.

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OhBling · 29/12/2024 19:15

I would tell him calmly, firmly, politely, that you will not be engaging any further in any of this discussion of the relationship. It is over and him telling you that it's not, is not helpful nor true. Then that you will not be responding to anything that isn't to do specifically with the children and start divorce proceedings - you don't need his permission for that.

The reality is that these messages are a form of controlling and emotionally abusive behaviour. NOt least the ones where he tells you how awful you are.... and yet still wants to get back together. This thinking is disordered, and is not helpful, and should just be reinforcing your knowledge that this relationship is 100% over. He, of course, will not understand that, but that is not your problem.

OhBling · 29/12/2024 19:16

Oh, and if he can't stop sending these, consider one of those co-parenting apps or similar? I tend to agree with other posters though - you don't need to communicate directly with him re the DC on a day to day basis. So you could block him by phone and engage only on email to do with the bigger picture things.

And as for his sister - he's convinced her that this is all new and overwhelming for him. That's bollocks. It' sbeen going on for almost a year. He might well BELIEVE what he's telling her, but don't take that on board. To her, it's also a calm response of "I have been telling him this is over since February, I have tried to make it work, but this is NOT as urprise to him." I'd also say to her, if she persists, that him sending you 10s of messages daily ranging from begging to abuse is completely unacceptable and certainly isn't making you any more inclined to be considerate of his feelings.

LookItsMeAgain · 29/12/2024 20:02

CoffeeINeedCoffee · 29/12/2024 11:41

Tbh if you know you don't want to reconcile, then you should just start divorce proceedings.

Once it's gone, it's gone, imo. 🤷‍♀️

Nailed it in the first post.

Why should you work to his timetable and not simply go ahead with the separation and divorce plan? Poor snowflake can’t deal with it all? Not your problem to resolve any more.

You’ve moved on, time he does too.

loveawineloveacrisp · 29/12/2024 22:50

OP, your daughter is 16 and hasn't mastered WhatsApp?! But anyhow, if she doesn't speak to him and doesn't want to see him then she's old enough to make that decision. It's not on you to force a relationship between them. Take it from someone who has been there.

MichaelAndEagle · 29/12/2024 22:58

loveawineloveacrisp · 29/12/2024 22:50

OP, your daughter is 16 and hasn't mastered WhatsApp?! But anyhow, if she doesn't speak to him and doesn't want to see him then she's old enough to make that decision. It's not on you to force a relationship between them. Take it from someone who has been there.

Unfortunately my daughter doesn’t speak to him either (she was also subject to his silence and their relationship was very precarious anyway) and we still need to co-parent her…and the dog! She’s clever but not mattered WhatsApp yet!

OP was obviously making a joke about the dog not being on WhatsApp.

loveawineloveacrisp · 29/12/2024 23:00

Oh I missed that. But why the hell are you co-parenting a bloody dog! Decide who gets the dog and have done with it. Sharing a dog is just ridiculous.

trailblazer42 · 29/12/2024 23:09

Sorry, it was the dog and Whatsapp!! My son adores the dog so I want him to spend time with her, and I also need help with her care because of work commitments. Adding doggy day care to my list of things to arrange and pay for isn't ideal.

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AutumnFroglets · 30/12/2024 16:53

I think the pp got confused because you werent explicit. Not everyone is on WhatsApp as they might choose Snapchat etc which is more a 16yr old thing.

Our son adores the dog so I want him to spend time with her.
Then message him directly since he is 18 and an adult. It doesn't warrant a discussion with your ex. Unless you are wanting your ex to pay for the dog food and vet bills, in which case give him the dog.

You need to be clear about what you want and follow it though. Trying to fudge things in an effort to be kind always, always, ends up hurting them more as they only hear the parts that give them hope rather than the reality.

Be kind by being clear.

EDIT - you also mentioned coparenting the dd. He no longer needs to do that as she is 16 and wants nothing to do with him. A judge won't force her so why are you?

trailblazer42 · 31/12/2024 08:24

I’ve told him. You’re all right in that he can’t see an end if I keep accepting his messages.

I sent him a message explaining how his messages made me feel, why I needed them to stop and that I would be applying for the divorce in the new year. I know I didn’t need to do that but it’s something I had to do to feel more comfortable with it.

I got a three page email back disputing it all, then later another email apologising for the way his messages made me feel but that they were always sent with love and concern. His apologies are always ‘sorry but…’ and this was no different.

I am hoping that is the last of it. We do have to see each other as we have a shared hobby neither of us is going to give up so whilst we can minimise contact I can’t never see him again and I don’t want to have to cut him out completely. But I’ve set a boundary now and hopefully he will respect that, or at least I have something to call him out over now if he does step out of line.

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loveawineloveacrisp · 31/12/2024 08:52

Well done OP. He sounds like my ex with the long emails though. Do not engage. It's a way of getting you to carry on talking if you feel you have to answer every point he makes and it'll never end. Honestly, I wish someone had given me this advice 10+ years ago as I wasted weeks of my life trying to reason with madness.

AutumnFroglets · 31/12/2024 09:48

Well done OP. Going forwards do not engage on any emotional level, keep things to practical issues regarding solicitor, estate agents etc but also try to keep the messages short and clear with zero waffle such as "I hope you don't mind.." or "If you get chance can you..". Best way to keep on track is to bullet point, and keep to email so you have a clear record of who said what.