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I think I've had enough. What's autism and what's just nastiness.

18 replies

hoonoobrooncoo · 18/12/2024 22:09

We've been together over 10 years and married 8. 2 young kids. Only found out a year ago he is autistic (a year prior to that privately diagnosed as adhd but when diagnosed as autistic they seemed to suggest they don't think he is adhd). He has a professional job but the diagnosis all made sense as he has VERY black and white thinking, has never managed to maintain friendships and even familial relationships. He's had complaints from clients that he is off hand etc.

We have SO MANY issues but what seems to be happening most recently is that he is acting like an obnoxious teenager and is trying hold me responsible as the "controlling" one, when I'm trying to have reasonable conversations. Tonight he lost his temper because i asked my son if he wanted a daddy bedtime or both of us and he wanted both. Dh snapped at me that I was interfering with his bedtime and inserting myself into shower time with the kids?! I had to tell him to stop as this was in front of our son. It alike he is possessive.

I want to know if its even worth me trying therapy as I feel like I need validation. I also want some advice on how bad this could get if we split as I worry about his and his family's influence on our children.

When he knows I am seeing friends or his step mother he has accused me of fabricating things and that I shouldn't be talking to people about us. Said to me "you can go back to slagging me off again like when I caught you last time".

He says I'm stopping our children having a relationship with his mum (she actually cut us off years ago and I've since recognised how toxic she was so we have never resumed contact and life has been far easier without her manipulation). I said from the go that I'd support his relationship with her but he needs therapy as there are toxic elements to their relationship and before I'd expose our children he needs help recognising that. He's never sought therapy. He guilts me by saying Christmas is coming another one where she misses out. Last time we talked he told me that he didn't think I actually cared about him getting therapy and that I just didn't want the grief of dealing with her 😳

He speaks to me horribly I feel - things like "you're acting like I've shat on you", "you're getting bent over it", "the days of you having the final say are over". I admit I'm the one organising things and making suggestions trying to keep the wheels on because he is forgetful and chaotic. I deal with all the life admin, deep cleaning, organising and cooking and work part time. He does walk the dog, do daily house cleaning and tidying up of toys etc.

He is quite "anti-woke" and made several comments about people having an agenda, me having one etc.

We don't have sex and haven't for well over a year. I do have some physical issues with a prolapse which I've been referred for but obviously I just don't want to with how things are between us.

Whenever I try to have a conversation his tone is angry, aggressive, can't hear my opinion, no empathy AT ALL. When I've then tried to say I don't feel comfortable talking to him about it because of his tone he then acts disgusted at the suggestion that he's being intimidating.

I try really REALLY hard to be a reasonable person (he's even used this against me in a discussion as he said oh I know you've said before you'll never let yourself be seen as the bad guy...that was something I told him I had to say to an ex actually as he was physically and verbally abusive, not even my husband!!) but I just feel like everything is twisted against me and I'm being gaslighted (again he accuses me of this?!).

I've pushed for us to have counselling for months which he pushed back on because he became consumed by a complaint made against him at work but that is clearing up now. I have now had to give a date of when he needs to sort or I want to look at separating.

We have a very much quarter renovated dump of a house which will NOT sell (I know the market here) or we would lose considerable money on if we split and I'm very worried about his and his mother's influence over my children as I know he will just expose them to her and all her shite.

He's a loving and caring dad to our children.

Is there any point going to counselling?! I suppose I'm desperately hoping for them to offer some validation. I have got myself some individual therapy starting very soon. Please help.

OP posts:
Notenoughcoffe · 18/12/2024 22:19

How easily Can You divorce him? He is horrible! And not a god dad!

hoonoobrooncoo · 18/12/2024 22:28

Notenoughcoffe · 18/12/2024 22:19

How easily Can You divorce him? He is horrible! And not a god dad!

I'm not on mumsnet much so bear with me replying my app seems tempermental!

I'm going to book an appointment with a solicitor I think but I don't have access to our bank statements and if I download the app I'm worried he will know. I do have my own account too. I think he would make everything as difficult as possible.

Seeing it all written down feels quite shocking. I worry that I have been too sensitive but I don't think I am am I?

Am I controlling for saying I'd like to join in my kids bedtime?! He fell out with me the other morning because I reminded him of the time and he walks the dog, he wasn't walked yet so he said I start on at him "the second my eyes open"

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PTSDBarbiegirl · 18/12/2024 22:31

Toxic prick, say goodbye and enjoy your life with your DC.

Bowietips · 18/12/2024 22:32

He sounds awful, op, I'm so sorry. Yes, do see a good solicitor. I'm ND and have many really lovely autistic friends. Your husband may be autistic, but he also has the entirely separate condition of being a nasty bastard.

hoonoobrooncoo · 18/12/2024 22:37

Bowietips · 18/12/2024 22:32

He sounds awful, op, I'm so sorry. Yes, do see a good solicitor. I'm ND and have many really lovely autistic friends. Your husband may be autistic, but he also has the entirely separate condition of being a nasty bastard.

Thanks. I am a bit dumbfounded that I've only just put everything together and realised this is not right at all.

I will book to see the solicitor ASAP

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Tiredandneedtogotobed · 18/12/2024 22:37

Has he been like this throughout the whole relationship or just since the diagnosis?
having a late diagnosis can bring turmoil into someone’s life as they learn to adjust to diagnosis and their reality of who they are is suddenly thrown up into the air.
however being autistic is not an excuse for being mean or abusive.
He may be learning to “unmask” and be truthful about how he feels which he may have been hiding.
for example if he knows on a Wednesday be puts the kids to bed and then suddenly you are asking your son if he wants both of you to do bedtime, this is disrupting his plan/expectation/rule of what his evening should look like. This can feel quite destabilising for an autistic person as it is a sudden change in routine.

the question is if he is willing to learn about his “new” self.

He sounds like he is struggling with coming to terms with his diagnosis and is taking it out on you.

It sounds like he is on edge and dysregulated. He is hyper sensitive to very thing you do or say which means he is taking everything you say and do as criticism. This is no way to live.

only you know if this is a long-term thing or if he is just struggling with his mental health and diagnosis.

I think there are a few “married to someone who is autistic” threads on here so it could be worth taking a look if you think it would help you to understand his behaviour.

He does sound absolutely horrible and abusive tho and I am not surprised you are considering divorce.

PiggieWig · 18/12/2024 22:37

I think your individual counselling will help a lot with this. It sounds like a really difficult situation where you get overlooked a lot. Counselling will help you understand what it is you need and how to flourish.

hoonoobrooncoo · 18/12/2024 22:38

PTSDBarbiegirl · 18/12/2024 22:31

Toxic prick, say goodbye and enjoy your life with your DC.

I think until now I've been compromising my own self in order to stay together with the kids and tried to make sure talking is after their bedtime but it's got to a point now where it's untenable.

He will want 50 50 and I am worried about his influence on them, my eldest idolises him

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hoonoobrooncoo · 18/12/2024 22:44

Tiredandneedtogotobed · 18/12/2024 22:37

Has he been like this throughout the whole relationship or just since the diagnosis?
having a late diagnosis can bring turmoil into someone’s life as they learn to adjust to diagnosis and their reality of who they are is suddenly thrown up into the air.
however being autistic is not an excuse for being mean or abusive.
He may be learning to “unmask” and be truthful about how he feels which he may have been hiding.
for example if he knows on a Wednesday be puts the kids to bed and then suddenly you are asking your son if he wants both of you to do bedtime, this is disrupting his plan/expectation/rule of what his evening should look like. This can feel quite destabilising for an autistic person as it is a sudden change in routine.

the question is if he is willing to learn about his “new” self.

He sounds like he is struggling with coming to terms with his diagnosis and is taking it out on you.

It sounds like he is on edge and dysregulated. He is hyper sensitive to very thing you do or say which means he is taking everything you say and do as criticism. This is no way to live.

only you know if this is a long-term thing or if he is just struggling with his mental health and diagnosis.

I think there are a few “married to someone who is autistic” threads on here so it could be worth taking a look if you think it would help you to understand his behaviour.

He does sound absolutely horrible and abusive tho and I am not surprised you are considering divorce.

It's definitely been worse since the diagnosis, but he's always had red flags I just was oblivious for a long time.

He is either everything is fine or his life is crumbling. Yet not contacted gp not sought any help for himself from the Autism support. I have suggested and asked. Two months since I pushed for couples therapy which he doesn't seem to want to do although did not directly answer when I asked him.

We do usually take turns with the kids for bedtimes, but my youngest wasn't feeling well so went to bed early. I was then free after that to help with eldest bedtime. I understand this could be difficult for dh being autistic but had not expected to be hissed at and the nasty comments. I don't find that acceptable no matter what.

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hoonoobrooncoo · 18/12/2024 22:45

PiggieWig · 18/12/2024 22:37

I think your individual counselling will help a lot with this. It sounds like a really difficult situation where you get overlooked a lot. Counselling will help you understand what it is you need and how to flourish.

Thanks, I really hope so. I have been waiting a couple of months and I'm so glad it's starting so soon. I feel like I need a neutral environment to explore and think it all out.

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Tiredandneedtogotobed · 18/12/2024 22:55

sounds really shit OP. You definitely don’t deserve to be spoken to like that and autism is no excuse.
Start to put yourself first and go to therapy for you.
It sounds as if he isn’t willing to get some support! I’m late diagnosed and I’ve had lots of psychology and counselling. Been reading and listening to podcasts trying to understand myself more.
I certainly don’t speak to anyone like that!
He may want to go for 50/50 but in reality he may not push for it.
Try not to worry about the future what ifs as it will keep you stuck in this situation.

If you separate, you will likely feel free and like a weight has been lifted and you can put all your energy into yourself and your kids.
xx

TheSomething · 18/12/2024 23:39

As an autistic person, I'd just like to say that you can be autistic and just be an abusive knob head at the same time.

You get lovely autistic people and not so lovely, just the same as with neurotypical people.

I would advise counselling on your own. Don't ask him again about couples counselling, leave that be for now. Couples counselling isn't recommended when one is abusive or controlling.

I'd also advise getting some legal advice regarding where you would stand in the event of a split.

Do you both work? Do you live close to either of your families?

It's not ridiculous to worry for your kids after split if you suspect he'd want 50/50. That doesn't mean you never leave, but it may mean thinking beforehand about when, how, what your boundaries and expectations will be etc.

Start slowly getting all your ducks in a row without alerting him to the fact. This is very important. I had an ex who was similar and had a long running thread on here at the time. I'm so glad I had the support so my last bit of advice is keep posting, seek out advice, support, etc and do so as you go along too.

Cableknitdreams · 18/12/2024 23:49

It's possible to be autistic and also be an abusive, unpleasant person (I think it's probably rare, as most autistic people I know are unusually caring and considerate).

I think individual therapy would be best, as the abusive comments and gaslighting can cause confusion and make you lose sight of what's going on. A space to hear yourself think and feel might be what you need.

3luckystars · 19/12/2024 05:31

You are someone’s child too and have a right to happiness. It’s not all about him.

There are some good threads about being in a marriage like this, you might find them helpful.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/relationships/5183563-married-to-someone-with-aspergersasdnd-support-thread-13?page=15&reply=140653113

All the very best x

shizgigz · 26/12/2024 09:40

I could've written your post word for word (with exception of being a hands on Dad).

The late diagnosed ADHD (and I believe Autism) became the foundation of what wrecked our marriage. We'd been married 30 years.
I had to manage everything and I mean literally everything to do with our home and DC. I take the blame for letting this happen.

The narrative he spins to our DC is that I was/am controlling, when in actual fact I had no choice but to take charge.

We did try counselling a few times but ultimately it became clear we were over as living with him was making me ill.

Undercover4ever · 28/12/2024 21:02

Echo @shizgigz Once the diagnosis was official everything was my fault and/or employer's fault and/or mother's fault and/or father's fault and/or random person's fault and/or 4 year old's fault. Everyone is controlling and suddenly they are unable to mow the lawn without it being an issue. Please get out. Although I'm giving you a heads up - that too will be your fault; parental alienation; various disabled rights, Human Rights Act, Autism Act , court not giving reasonable adjustment etc and complaints galore. Good luck!

Undercover4ever · 28/12/2024 21:05

Forgot to say BUT living away and without him is so much less fraught in terms of home life. Christmas was no shouty affair.

VegTrug · 28/12/2024 21:15

My daughter is Autistic and is a lovely, kind & gentle soul.

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