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How do I build a healthy relationship with my ex-husband's partner?

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KatNap · 04/12/2024 08:36

My ex-husband and I had a very messy breakup seven years ago. Our children were one and four years old at the time. He left not even a year after I had been diagnosed and treated for thyroid cancer, as he had realised that he had fallen in love with a woman in her twenties who was his subordinate at work at the time.

I was already unwell then, my hormones were all over the place following the removal of my thyroid. The last time I breastfed was on the morning before my operation, which further added to the imbalance. Blood tests revealed that the dosage of my thyroid medication was way too high, meaning I was experiencing extreme hyperthyroidism (including anxiety, insomnia, brain fog, etc. as well as various physical symptoms).

When my ex-husband left, I found myself on my own with my two young children with all my family and friends I grew up with living abroad. What's more is that we were in the middle of some major building works being done and our house was mostly uninhabitable, my father was in the final stages of losing his battle to dementia, and I had only just started a new job three months prior.

I couldn't cope with the grief and the pressure and had a breakdown, so I was prescribed antidepressants (SSRIs) to help me cope. I did not get along with the medication as it made me feel extremely sick, meaning I could not eat for weeks, making me lose about 2 stones. They also made my insomnia worse, and I started self-harming, which is something I had never done in my life... at the time it was the only thing I could do to find release from the extreme pressure and stress I was experiencing. (I still wonder if it was something in those pills that exasperated these feelings.) I eventually even ended up in hospital following an overdose on sleeping pills. It wasn't an attempt to take my life, I was just exhausted and desperate to sleep and not feel anything for a little while.

I nearly lost my job, my kids, and my sanity, and it took me a good couple of years to get to a place where things felt more stable.

Getting better has been extremely hard, but I am now in a place where I feel I'm a half-decent mother, I get recognition at work, and my ex and I manage to co-parent mostly frictionless.

Things are still difficult at times, especially dealing with the loneliness and the financial challenges of being a sole earner in the house.

I still haven't managed to bring myself to meet his partner, which is still the same woman he left for. They are still together, and from all I hear, the children get on well with her.

I haven't always done a good job of hiding my dislike for her, and I know that this has caused a lot of stress for my children. They won't talk about her at my house for fear it might upset me.

I don't want the kids to have to live like this anymore, and I have decided it is time to agree to meet her in the new year to finally get some peace. I do hope that I am now well enough to be able to deal with it and all the memories this may bring up.

My question is: how do you go about meeting with a new partner that played a major part in a traumatic break-up? Where do we meet? What do we talk about? How do I prepare? And how do I make sure I won't relapse into feeling the way I did then?

My support network is quite limited these days... I am either at work, or at home with my kids, which makes socialising with friends difficult. I will have to largely rely on myself to cope, so any guidance on how to do so would be much appreciated!

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Worried8263839 · 04/12/2024 09:22

That sounds like an incredibly difficult time OP and you've done an incredible job to turn it all around.

I'm a stepmum (but was not the other woman) and have had a strained relationship with the mum of my step kids. Your want to make things better for your children is admirable and the right thing to do. In my situation, I felt I should develop a good relationship with the mum for the sake of everyone involved. Over time, I realised this was only to my detriment and that I didn't need to get involved. Whilst it might work out lovely for everyone, it felt to me like it was blurring a line. Mum and Dad co-parent, I play a supporting role when I can. I wonder if in fact in your situation, it's communicating with your children about how your feelings towards her have changed and recognising the difficulty they have felt in talking about her around you. Keep co-parenting with dad and keep that boundary. Much harder to pull it back once it's blurred. Just my opinion but either way, just considering this (and overcoming what you have) shows what a wonderful mum you must be

BeeCucumber · 04/12/2024 09:27

Honestly OP, I wouldn’t even try. Keep your firm boundaries in place. You don’t even know if this person wants a relationship with you. You have reached a good place in your life and you know you are a good mother to your children. That is enough.

sunflowersngunpowdr · 04/12/2024 09:33

I've never been in this situation so can't really offer any help but I just wanted to say well done you! You sound so strong and you have been through so much and come out the other end with your dignity and compassion in tact. My thoughts are: does she want to meet you? Perhaps the best thing to do is talk to the kids and tell them that you are really happy they have another adult in their life who loves them. Maybe bake some cookies with them to send over with them on their next visit as a gesture of good will and start inviting them to tell you about their experiences at dads? Personally I think that would be enough and there is no need to traumatise yourself by meeting this bitch. Instead make 2025 your year to get online and have a few dates instead so you can move forward from your morally bankrupt ex. Whatever you decide I wish you good luck x

rookiemere · 04/12/2024 09:37

Do you actually need to meet her ?

I would start by saying to your DCs what you have said here, that you're in a much better place and they don't need to feel like they can't mention her name around you any more.

I would simply leave it at that level for a few months, then I suspect a meeting may happen organically. If it doesn't well the main thing is that you have reduced any issues for your DCs and your internal tension on the matter.

You don't need to be besties with this woman.

AnneLovesGilbert · 04/12/2024 09:42

Do you know that she wants to meet you or that he’d be up for it? It sounds unlikely so I wouldn’t give it much thought for now.

Hayley1256 · 04/12/2024 09:42

I wouldn't go out of my way to meet her OP, I would make it clear to your children that you have no hard feelings towards her and that she is welcome to attend their school plays etc. Let them know that you've seen she treats them well and that's all you care about. I've said to my DD8 that it's OK for her ro enjoy spending time with her dad's GF the same way as it with my DP. I really dislike his GF as she went through a phrase of messaging me about random things that were nothing to do with her. However, when we take DD away I always give her some extra money so she can buy them a gift each

Dropthepilots · 04/12/2024 11:39

You don't have to be her friend you know. A polite and neutral approach to any interactions between you is fine and healthy, same if she comes up in conversation with with your DC.

Catbabymammy · 04/12/2024 11:54

I think this is a very bad idea and will dredge things up. You can find peace without meeting her.

NorthernSpirit · 04/12/2024 12:12

You had a very difficult time & it’s a credit to you and your resilience that you have turned it around.

You don’t need to meet her.

I'm DSM (but wasn’t the OH). I have absolutely no relationship with the SC’s DM. I have never met her (in 11 years) and nor do I want to. The women (despite being divorced for over 13 years) is still extremely bitter about their divorce and by association with her EW I’m the enemy. I’m regularly slagged off by her and the kids are only allowed to refer to me as ‘her’. I can’t tell you how damaging this loyality bind has been for them.

The fact that you want to make things better for your kids is great (kids in a strained relationship / loyalty bind do suffer).

In my case - mum & dad parallel parent (you can’t co parent with her because she is so vitriolic still). I do what I can to support my DH.

IMO - work on the relationship with your kids and be honest that your feelings have changed toward her and you would like the kids to be themselves and express themselves honestly.

You don’t need to meet her / have a relationship with her to do that.

KatNap · 04/12/2024 16:05

Thank you all for your very helpful comments and suggestions... I should have mentioned that I feel I have to meet her, as her and my ex-husband are buying a house in my area, so chances are I will be bumping into them a lot in the future. I don't want things to be awkward and re-traumatise my kids (and myself), so I'd rather meet her in a way I have some control over first, to help set the tone and better manage accidental future encounters.

I think my kids will also eventually want her there at performances, graduations, football matches, etc. and I want to be able to accommodate that for their sake.

I really want to let go of that grudge, mostly for my kids' sake, but also my own. She is happy to meet with me and - according to my daughter - said she would like to. Up to now I have been the biggest obstacle. My low confidence and sense of self-worth made it impossible at the time, but I think I may just about be well enough to face it now. But I just don't know what to talk about and how to keep things positive. I guess it's about drawing a line under the past and focus on the future and - most importantly - the wellbeing of the kids.

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LemonTT · 04/12/2024 17:05

I am going to be straight with you. Whilst there is an explanation as to why you behaved the way you did, she doesn’t have to let you into her life. Your stated intentions would alarm me. The child are familiar with her and won’t be traumatised. This is your fear. One she doesn’t have to manage. Nor does she need to allow you to set the tone.

I would not approach it in this way. It sounds like a power play and I think a lot of people would refuse the invitation.

Basically I wouldn’t meet with someone whose reason for wanting to meet with me was to to avoid a confrontation when we meet. It would seem inevitable that I was setting myself up for something.

Moveoverdarlin · 04/12/2024 17:10

Personally I wouldn’t meet her. If you bump in to her, then smile say ‘nice to meet you, all good to have the children as planned on Saturday? Great! Cheerio!

I can’t imagine how awkward a planned meeting would be.

BlueSilverCats · 04/12/2024 17:12

KatNap · 04/12/2024 16:05

Thank you all for your very helpful comments and suggestions... I should have mentioned that I feel I have to meet her, as her and my ex-husband are buying a house in my area, so chances are I will be bumping into them a lot in the future. I don't want things to be awkward and re-traumatise my kids (and myself), so I'd rather meet her in a way I have some control over first, to help set the tone and better manage accidental future encounters.

I think my kids will also eventually want her there at performances, graduations, football matches, etc. and I want to be able to accommodate that for their sake.

I really want to let go of that grudge, mostly for my kids' sake, but also my own. She is happy to meet with me and - according to my daughter - said she would like to. Up to now I have been the biggest obstacle. My low confidence and sense of self-worth made it impossible at the time, but I think I may just about be well enough to face it now. But I just don't know what to talk about and how to keep things positive. I guess it's about drawing a line under the past and focus on the future and - most importantly - the wellbeing of the kids.

Edited

I don't think you should make it into a big thing. Either in your head, or the actual event.

Start small, ask your children about their time with their dad , ask about "Suzie". Respond positively to their comments so they can see they can talk about it and it's normal. Maybe tell the children to tell dad and her that mum says hello.

How are drop offs/pick ups? Is she ever present? You can wave/say hello.

Keep it small and positive and build up on it. This way you can control how far it goes and how much you can cope with. Eventually the "meet" will happen naturally if you're open to it, but without it being a massive thing with a lot of pressure on both sides.

ImJustFineTYVM · 04/12/2024 17:19

I wasn't the OW but am a stepmum to a now adult child. My husband's ex was very unamused at my arrival in their son's life as my husband had had a series of relationships between their marriage and ours and honestly hadn't been the greatest of dads during this time.

So she was hostile when we met. Over time we've actually become quite close. She phones me often and we meet up quite a bit. I'm not suggesting this should be your goal, but it's possible to forgive and move on from all sorts of stuff if you want to.

I think if both of you are willing to move on a civil and even friendly relationship is possible. You both have the interests of your kids at heart, and that's something you have in common. And it's quite a big something. My husband's ex and I joke about our mother in law, another thing we have in common :D

Although she was instrumental in your break up she may not have known much about what was going on and I'm always of the opinion that unless she actively harmed you (phone calls, nastiness, etc the blame needs to go on the cheater. But I know on here I might well be flamed for saying that.

Don't put any pressure on either of you, you're both grown ups and this was in the past. By all means meet up for coffee but I'd keep it really casual, and don't ask any questions that you aren't absolutely sure you want the answers to. In fact I'd focus on now and the future and avoid all mention of the past unless you get to a stage when the awkwardness has all gone and you like having her in your life.

millymollymoomoo · 04/12/2024 17:47

You sound lovely op.

being on ok terms will absolutely benefit the children and certainly if you’re able to make sure they know they don’t have to lie /hide things/not mention her in order to not upset you that’s great.

ultimately just remember you don’t need to be best friends. Civil is fine if that’s all you can get to and not allowing your children to be caught in the middle is ok.

Dealingwithatrexrightnow · 04/12/2024 19:22

Here is my thoughts. My ex was vile during our short marriage. He was a total dick when I got pregnant and married with the baby he wanted. He kept going out and ‘living his life’. Meanwhile I worked full time and then had a very traumatic birth and young baby. His parents were vile and he didn’t protect us. He took money from the joint finances allegedly to invest it for the children and to date hasn’t returned it. I like you was unwell, and developed an autoimmune disease I lost 6 stone and was very unwell. Trying to support myself and the children. How I kept the house I don’t know.

He left and swanned back to his single life. Meanwhile I did all the grunt parenting and he did nothing. It was hell and many many court cases to resolve which didn’t really. We relocated and he sees the children pretty much 50% of the holidays and that’s it.

Fast forward 10 years and I’m in a different place. I’m about to buy my dream house. I’m getting married to a wonderful man and actually my ex despite years of being a wanker - we can actually have a chat now and laugh. It isn’t easy.

But it is good for the children …. For the first time we are doing joint Xmas presents. Bigger value items that will go backwards and forwards.

You don’t need to meet her. But you can do the following:

it was bloody hard but I bought my ex birthday cards, Christmas cards and gifts, fathers dad - most often I got nothing back but I didn’t see that as a quid pro quo. So help your kids buy her something for Christmas, drop her a note if and when she does something nice for the kids eg text to ex, Hi Bob. Can you please pass my thanks to Susan for the lovely time the children had with her at swimming. Cheers Meg.

or whatever.

Wave to her when you pick the kids up or drop them off and vice versa.

My new partner met him organically. He came to our area to pick the kids up and I had planned to go and drop them off but my ex was earlier then planned and my DP was in the car as we were shopping. I got out the car and the kids did and DP did and went over and said ‘Hi I’m Max’ Or whatever and that was that. He has gone with me on other drop offs and he is polite and friendly but they won’t be buddies.

You don’t need to meet her change your tone with your ex and your children. Eg talking to Bob about the weekend - are you still able to pick up on Friday at 6 pm. Great hope you and Susie have a great week.

that’s it. I know my situation is different but you have to drop the rope and move forward. You are over the bridge now and don’t look back or think back.

My ex owes me money for an item that he said he would pay 10 years ago for my youngest when he was a baby. I brought it on the written understanding he would pay half which was £200 - I handed over the item and he never paid it. He’s brought the Xmas present and I could just say to myself he owes me £200 I’ll email him and tell him to take it off the money he owes me - I have a moral upper ground. But you know what I will transfer the money for half the Xmas gifts because I’m not a sod.

Mine is different as he didn’t have an affair but I was so bitter and angry that I looked after two poorly and demanding SEN children and worked full time whilst I went back to cycling and hanging out with his mates. I was jealous.

Live your best life. Be happy.

Hyggehogger · 05/12/2024 19:24

KatNap · 04/12/2024 16:05

Thank you all for your very helpful comments and suggestions... I should have mentioned that I feel I have to meet her, as her and my ex-husband are buying a house in my area, so chances are I will be bumping into them a lot in the future. I don't want things to be awkward and re-traumatise my kids (and myself), so I'd rather meet her in a way I have some control over first, to help set the tone and better manage accidental future encounters.

I think my kids will also eventually want her there at performances, graduations, football matches, etc. and I want to be able to accommodate that for their sake.

I really want to let go of that grudge, mostly for my kids' sake, but also my own. She is happy to meet with me and - according to my daughter - said she would like to. Up to now I have been the biggest obstacle. My low confidence and sense of self-worth made it impossible at the time, but I think I may just about be well enough to face it now. But I just don't know what to talk about and how to keep things positive. I guess it's about drawing a line under the past and focus on the future and - most importantly - the wellbeing of the kids.

Edited

I’d be open with her, explain what happened - tell her your story and then say you want to move past that now for the sake of the children. This is not to make her feel awful etc. or to point the finger, but to start with no hidden resentment, but transparency in order to move forward. Who knows what she knows about the situation? I’d set her straight and then keep it civil but not overly friendly (unless you find you actually like her and want to be more friendly!)

LadyTiredWinterBottom2 · 05/12/2024 20:31

I think you can fake it til you make it with the kids. Maybe try that first. Ask the kids what they did they say and what did Susie make of it or whatever.

I wouldn't be friends with her though. You guys just need to be civil for the sake of the kids. She played a part in turning your life upside down, not sure why you want anything more with her. So what if the kids want her at family events in the future? Deal with it then.

My sbexh started a relationship 2 weeks after we ended, agreed to stop.seeing her then started sneaking about with her while we were still under thr same roof. I left when l found out, despite having nowhere to go. I wouldn't spit on either of them if they were on fire. Fuck being polite for the kids, l'm not a doormat and l won't let my daughter watch me being treated like one.

2024onwardsandup · 05/12/2024 20:38

I think it’s less about having a good relationship with her and more about healing your trauna

once you have healed that more - you will be much more able to tolerate polite interactions with her

i suggest seeing a good trauma therapist - which are few and far between unfortunately

I mean the reality is your husband is clearly not a good man - so it is very likely that if he hadn’t left you for her and stayed with you your life would be pretty shit and much worse than it did now (if maybe financially better. Maybe)

thet healing is not easy though - as it was all a horriblE mix of cancer, young children and dickhead ex husband.

if you do work to resolve the trauma - I guarantee that there will come a time when you can have a polite chat with her at a graduation without even thinking about it. Although by that time
he might have left her for another younger model….

rookiemere · 05/12/2024 21:51

I would caution telling her your story, in fact I wouldn't do it.

She has already heard whatever version of "your story" the ex has chosen to share with her. I would keep your interactions short but civil. If you want to open up at all, say something positive you have heard from the DCs.

And lastly forgive yourself. You carry a lot of self recrimination from a period in your life when you had too much to carry alone. It seems almost as if forcing yourself to make nice with what is still after all the OW, is punishing yourself for that time. Far better just to rehearse some stock phrases for when you see her rather than putting unnecessary pressure on yourself.

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