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Ex badmouths me and new partner to children.

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TwinklePops · 19/11/2024 19:00

Hi everyone,
I wondered if I could get any advice, as everyone has been so good previously. I’m (almost) divorced and have had quite the unpleasant split. We have now settled into routines at houses and find ourselves (almost) being able to move on however now everything is almost sorted it seems my ex is running out of ways to control/hurt me and has started using the kids. My youngest has admitted he’s finding it difficult as his Dad regularly speaks badly of me. Examples include, whenever they do anything wrong apparently he says “you’re just like your mother” and has outright told them he doesn’t like me. He apparently complains to them he’s broke all the time because he has to pay me money and I’ve caught him outright lying to my eldest child about things, saying I’ve had a go at him etc. He also spoke with the kids about changes to child contact arrangements before even talking to me about the possibility. When I said I was happy to discuss this he ignored me and continued to make out I was keeping him from seeing them. These are just some of many things he’s done/doing regarding the kids specifically.
i’ve now been told that he regularly bad mouths my new boyfriend to my eldest and they have conversations about how they don’t like him. I had sensed as much just from her behaviour both towards me and whenever my boyfriends name is mentioned.
I would like to stress I don’t bad mouth my ex to the kids. I try to be very diplomatic and at a push will try to get them thinking for themselves rather than commenting negatively about my ex. I also never ask them for this information- it has always been volunteered (mainly by my youngest) as he struggles with the idea that his dad would do this.
It’s also relevant to say that my ex thinks I had an affair with my boyfriend (which I didn’t) however he is now therefore desperate to paint me as the bad person. (He also rather conveniently seems to have forgotten the three major incidences where he was thought to have been unfaithful throughout our relationship and was forgiven every time).
Anyway, I digress. The main point of this post is that I cannot go to my ex with my concerns. When I have tried before he simply exploded at me, became verbally aggressive and tried to “punish” me in some way. But I will not have my kids affected by his behaviour, it’s heartbreaking to see the internal struggles they have with things and with me, nor will I have him ruin what is an amazing new relationship with someone I care about.
Has anyone had experience of this before? What’s the best way to deal with it? I would struggle to prove it I know, and I’m not sure what can be done even if I do? Is there a way to help them without putting more upset on them? I’d appreciate any advice - thank you x

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Chowtime · 19/11/2024 19:03

Does he know your new partner then?

JoanCollected · 19/11/2024 19:04

How old is your youngest? You don’t say and that changes everything.

TwinklePops · 19/11/2024 19:51

JoanCollected · 19/11/2024 19:04

How old is your youngest? You don’t say and that changes everything.

Youngest is 10, oldest is 13

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TwinklePops · 19/11/2024 19:52

Chowtime · 19/11/2024 19:03

Does he know your new partner then?

They’ve never met, no.

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HaddyAbrams · 19/11/2024 20:06

When my dc used to come home from their dad's and say "daddy/step-mum said xyz about you, that's not nice is it?"
I'd just say " no. What a strange thing to say. We know that's not true" or "well yes, I am fat, but I don't think that matters or whatever to just let them see that I didn't care what he said.

Skybluepinky · 19/11/2024 20:11

It happens with most splits, as yr kids get older they will see through the lies and see him for what he is.

if yr kids don’t like wot he is saying they need to tell him so.

mathanxiety · 19/11/2024 20:20

You can go back to family court and petition for an order to the effect that neither of you can speak about the other to the children or within earshot of them.

I had a clause to this effect written into the divorce / visitation agreement. Saved a lot of bother.

TwinklePops · 19/11/2024 20:20

HaddyAbrams · 19/11/2024 20:06

When my dc used to come home from their dad's and say "daddy/step-mum said xyz about you, that's not nice is it?"
I'd just say " no. What a strange thing to say. We know that's not true" or "well yes, I am fat, but I don't think that matters or whatever to just let them see that I didn't care what he said.

Thank you. I think this is generally the way I’m going to have to keep going. I do a lot of this kind of thing now. It feels like there isnt much else you can do. I do try to get them thinking for themselves if I can though, without directly insulting him. I’m sorry you have the same problem but it’s reassuring to know I’m at least on the right track hopefully.

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TwinklePops · 19/11/2024 20:21

mathanxiety · 19/11/2024 20:20

You can go back to family court and petition for an order to the effect that neither of you can speak about the other to the children or within earshot of them.

I had a clause to this effect written into the divorce / visitation agreement. Saved a lot of bother.

Oh really? I didn’t know that this was an option! Thank you, something worth considering!

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TwinklePops · 19/11/2024 20:24

Skybluepinky · 19/11/2024 20:11

It happens with most splits, as yr kids get older they will see through the lies and see him for what he is.

if yr kids don’t like wot he is saying they need to tell him so.

Yes I wondered about trying to encourage them or at least support them to feel strong enough to challenge anything they’re unsure of. He has a short fuse though (my ex) and I don’t want to encourage it to the point where he would get cross 😔 So at present I’ve told them that IF they want to talk to me (or anyone) about it then they absolutely can, but it’s always their choice. Thank you for your advice.

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JoanCollected · 19/11/2024 20:34

I think at that age I'd be honest but gentle about it. Not pitting them against their dad or compromising them further and certainly not expecting them to 'stand up for me' (please dont ask them to challenge him even gently, thats a massive burden to put on them). But I'd tell them clearly

  1. unfortunately when people split up often one or both sides is desperate to tear down the other. Your dad is in that mode right now but you need to understand that:
  2. It doesnt hurt me, I just dont care what he says about me as i know he is just trying to get digs in
  3. You have zero responsibility to agree with him
  4. You have zero responsibility to defend me
  5. You have no responsibility to do or say anything here and I will never be mad at you for the things he says or does even if you feel so uncomfortable you agree with him.
  6. Sorry you have to deal with this
TwinklePops · 19/11/2024 20:56

JoanCollected · 19/11/2024 20:34

I think at that age I'd be honest but gentle about it. Not pitting them against their dad or compromising them further and certainly not expecting them to 'stand up for me' (please dont ask them to challenge him even gently, thats a massive burden to put on them). But I'd tell them clearly

  1. unfortunately when people split up often one or both sides is desperate to tear down the other. Your dad is in that mode right now but you need to understand that:
  2. It doesnt hurt me, I just dont care what he says about me as i know he is just trying to get digs in
  3. You have zero responsibility to agree with him
  4. You have zero responsibility to defend me
  5. You have no responsibility to do or say anything here and I will never be mad at you for the things he says or does even if you feel so uncomfortable you agree with him.
  6. Sorry you have to deal with this

Thank you so much for your advice. They’re all really gentle ways of putting it. I appreciate you taking the time x

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Snkt · 24/11/2024 12:45

As a child of divorce (later in life though) I absolutely hated how my dad would bad mouth my mum and try to vent to me about her. Because I was older I was very aware that it’s not my fault and it’s not my responsibility to listen to it. So one day I very clearly said to him “she’s my mum and your my dad. She never speaks badly of you and it makes me really uncomfortable for you to speak badly of her. Getting a divorce was your choice, not mine so please don’t put this on me and if you wish to continue this I don’t wish to speak to you anymore”. And he never did it again.

obviously your kids are younger so speaking this way would be difficult but they can say something to that effect that’s age appropriate.
otherwise I would suggest you speak to him, say it’s unfair on them and if he has any issues he can speak to you otherwise you’d have to go to family court again as you can’t let the kids go through this. A divorce is hard enough as it is on young kids.

BrendaSmall · 24/11/2024 18:01

My mum was a right bitch, kicking my dad out of our house, she wanted a younger man, so not only did she ruin her own marriage she ruined his ( the younger man) too!
She tried to turn me against him but it pushed me closer to him and eventually his new partner, who even now after nearly 40 years I get on with so well, never really had much to do with my mum after the age of 12, even though I still lived with her until I left home at 18!
I keep in regular contact with my dad n step mum, it’s very rare I see my mum nor contact her!
Its all her own fault
Maybe one day your children will realise what he’s like

TwinklePops · 24/11/2024 22:55

BrendaSmall · 24/11/2024 18:01

My mum was a right bitch, kicking my dad out of our house, she wanted a younger man, so not only did she ruin her own marriage she ruined his ( the younger man) too!
She tried to turn me against him but it pushed me closer to him and eventually his new partner, who even now after nearly 40 years I get on with so well, never really had much to do with my mum after the age of 12, even though I still lived with her until I left home at 18!
I keep in regular contact with my dad n step mum, it’s very rare I see my mum nor contact her!
Its all her own fault
Maybe one day your children will realise what he’s like

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I’m so sorry you had to deal with that. Thank you so much for your advice x

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TwinklePops · 24/11/2024 22:59

Snkt · 24/11/2024 12:45

As a child of divorce (later in life though) I absolutely hated how my dad would bad mouth my mum and try to vent to me about her. Because I was older I was very aware that it’s not my fault and it’s not my responsibility to listen to it. So one day I very clearly said to him “she’s my mum and your my dad. She never speaks badly of you and it makes me really uncomfortable for you to speak badly of her. Getting a divorce was your choice, not mine so please don’t put this on me and if you wish to continue this I don’t wish to speak to you anymore”. And he never did it again.

obviously your kids are younger so speaking this way would be difficult but they can say something to that effect that’s age appropriate.
otherwise I would suggest you speak to him, say it’s unfair on them and if he has any issues he can speak to you otherwise you’d have to go to family court again as you can’t let the kids go through this. A divorce is hard enough as it is on young kids.

Thank you for your advice. It’s really hard to see it now but I hope they will see this behaviour for what it is. I’m an open book unfortunately and it’s always obvious when I’m upset (which is a lot at the moment) that’s hard on the kids too so for my part I need to work on that. Your last sentence has hit home and you’re right it’s really hard. My guys have been amazing but I want to be the reason it gets easier for them. Thank you - I’m sorry you had to deal with that x

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OhShitImNearly40 · 28/11/2024 15:37

All you need to do is be a good mum. Just be a great parent consistently and they'll know it. You might make a few mistakes,nobody is perfect, but as long as you can see them regularly and be consistently good then you'll have no troubles.

Kids aren't stupid, they know good parents.

TwinklePops · 28/11/2024 23:32

OhShitImNearly40 · 28/11/2024 15:37

All you need to do is be a good mum. Just be a great parent consistently and they'll know it. You might make a few mistakes,nobody is perfect, but as long as you can see them regularly and be consistently good then you'll have no troubles.

Kids aren't stupid, they know good parents.

Thank you ☺️

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