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Divorce/separation

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Scared to be independent post separation

10 replies

Sunshines4you · 25/10/2024 13:55

Hello,

hope you all are well. I’m soon to be divorced and just found a flat I can move into. I’m about to sign the papers but can’t help feeling paralysing fear that this is all very real now! No turning back.

To give you context, I was married for 17+ years to a very controlling man and have two children DS12 and DD6. I was mostly a stay at home mother through the 17 years and he took care of all the bills and finances. It’s my first time signing anything on my own. I don’t even a credit history as I’ve never bought anything big. I’m out in the big wide world and I’m scared out of my wits that I’ll mess it up somehow.

Is this how I’m meant to feel? Will it ever go away. I’m 37 years old but feel 18 and like I’m about to leave home for uni with no life experience. He never let me learn driving and I’m just now learning to do that. There’s so many things I don’t know. I feel a bit lost and clueless.

He knocked my confidence a great deal all these years by telling me I won’t be able to survive without him. What if that turns out to be true. The manipulation and emotional abuse I’ve endured is a lot and I hope to never return. But I’m scared to take my first baby steps as a full grown under confident adult woman.

any advice?

Many thanks to everyone who read so far

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forcemultiplied · 25/10/2024 16:52

Well done for finding the courage to leave. I can only imagine how daunted you feel but you are much more capable than you believe right now. You've already come a long way by finding a place to move into and you will be able to find new skills as you need them. 37 is not too old to learn!! Women much older than that often have to start from a similar place if they are widowed and had husbands who managed finances and bills.

There is so much information online for anything you need. Money saving expert is a great place to learn financial planning and management. Mumsnet can answer lots of questions when you need help. Have you contacted Women's Aid or any domestic abuse charities? I'm sure they will have helped other women in your position. You can definitely manage. Have courage and faith in yourself - there will be lots of little challenges but you will get stronger each time you navigate one and soon it will be second nature. Good luck.

Sunshines4you · 26/10/2024 09:18

@forcemultiplied ❤️ Thank you for your words of support.

I am due to have a chat with a support worker from Women’s aid soon and I am also in the waiting list for intensive trauma therapy through the NHS. In time, I think I will be ok. Just as you have said about widows figuring life on their own, I will have to believe and learn to walk on my own.

I think my brain is having trouble understanding why I’m leaving a very comfortable life, to go out struggle and make it on my own, when I could just continue living as is.

It is still early days and everything is so intense. Just to keep breathing in all this, seems like a task ❤️‍🩹

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Singleandproud · 26/10/2024 09:31

It will be fine.

Set all the bills up as Direct Debits so you don't have to worry about them, and set a reminder on your phone for 11 months time so you can look at switching if there are better value companies out there

Credit rating - Sign up for Credit Karma, it's free and will tell you how to improve your credit rating.
If you need to buy a new phone as he was paying for it I'd go for a Nokia Smartphone, they are great and affordable to buy outright and pair it with a cheap contract SIM from ID mobile or similar, mine is only £6 a month and DDs is £3.99 and we have free calls, texts and enough data considering most places have WiFi access for Whatsapping now. The contract even if low will start building your credit rating.

If you get a credit card it will likely have a very high Apr for the first one, that is absolutely fine if you pay the statement off each month. It becomes extortionate if you only part pay the balance. So set it to something you know you can pay off. I used my credit card for all my day to day spending and then transfer the money over when the statement comes. But do keep a close eye so you don't get yourself in a muddle.

Practical things, keep a well stocked medical cabinet and a loaf of bread and pint of milk in the freezer in case you run out so you don't need to traipse to the shop with children with you. Deliveroo makes life a bit easier if children are ill and you can't get out.

If you need to use Buy Now pay later schemes to furnish your flat or to buy white goods just keep on top of them so you don't have a huge bill at the end.

I used the Debt Payoff Planner app to record any debts, whether they are small borrowing cash off DD for the hairdresser's or larger house renovations. Having all debt and the pay off dates and installments in one place really helps financial planning and it tells you which ones to pay off first to pay the least interest - also free, you don't need the paid version.

Sunshines4you · 26/10/2024 10:31

@Singleandproud 🙏 Thank you. This is the practical advice I was after. I do not know where to start and it will be a steep learning curve for the next few years.

I’ve taken a screenshot of your advice. Thank you. To know that you are single and proud and doing just fine gives me a lot of hope. 🙏

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Singleandproud · 26/10/2024 10:40

But post on here if you don't know how to do things.

You might find the Dads on YouTube really useful although most are in America, there are several Dad how do I.... Accounts which is aimed at teaching young men without present fathers the skills traditionally their dad might have taught them like shaving, but it also goes into basic home and car care too and much of it can be related to the UK.

Or just tutorials for learning how to bleeds a radiator or repressurise a boiler, clean a filter in a washing machine etc. If you are stuck there are very few things you can't find out how to do on YouTube particularly if you put the Make and Model in you'll get specific help.

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 26/10/2024 14:33

Just make a list of all your bills and when the direct debits go out - try to get them all on same day. Check they all do have a direct debit (I've been caught on that before), add car admin to the list if you have it.

You'll learn as you go along. Remember part of emotional abuse has been destroying your confidence and trying to make you dependent. You managed to exist before him and you will do now!

Congratulations on your freedom!

Sunshines4you · 29/10/2024 09:26

Thank you @Unexpectedlysinglemum You are so right in saying the emotional abuse has eroded my self confidence. It’s like I’m learning to walk all over again!

Every small thing feels like climbing a mountain. I’m telling myself that I’m capable and to take it one day at a time. The pull to go back to him sometimes is very strong; I’ve been told it’s called a trauma bond. This time though, I’m choosing my freedom and independence over security, comfort and familiarity.

I had a few days of absolute grief wash over me after I signed the rental agreement. The realisation that my marriage that was supposed to last forever crumbled overnight hit me like a tonne of bricks.

It’s like my brain understands, but my heart and body is still married/addicted to him. 😞

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OnceDivorcedHeather · 29/10/2024 20:49

My two pence worth. Long one sorry.
Mine is a story that started off like yours. I agree with you on your feelings.

I was taking baby steps after my divorce and it was a painful process. My confidence left my body. My hormones were my worst enemy as I was drained most of the time. Women’s aid was helpful for sometime but I was not feeling like my life was getting back on track. Then I met my counsellor who changed my perspective.

She encouraged me to try therapy with my ex. I hated the idea as I was advised not to by my friends and online forums. By this time my ex moved out. I knew he was living his life and was very sure he was keen to see the last of me. We did not speak to each other and the only time we exchanged any words was when he came to drop off the kids.

I mustered my courage to ask him for couple therapy and he said to me he will try.
What unfolded was not what I expected.
It was a really hard few sessions as we started but I saw a different side to him. The divorce shook him up and he was a changed man. We had to have separate counselling meetings for our old wounds and joint sessions for couple’s therapy.
I started to see his side of things as well as my vindictive side.

Other things were in the mix. My boy 15 started to drift away from me and my girl 8 kept saying she won’t forgive me. My pre menopause also started to give me grief.
The only person who understood me was my ex. We were married for 14 years but we were partners for 5 years before that.

I asked my ex to move in with me as I moved to a different house by now. He readily agreed.
Our counselling helped us patch up. What we both thought was trauma bonding was actually a deep sense of love/attachment.

I am more independent than ever as he moved into my house. I have my own bank account now and I am also working now.
We are actually more in love than we ever were as he is a transformed person. We have entered the phase 3 of our marriage as sadly many including myself break away at phase 2. I think he is not as controlling but I know I have to remind him occasionally. The counselling showed we took each other for granted and stopped communicating. So now our Fridays are our talk and date nights. It was really awkward as we were like high school kids. Now we talk about everything.

I gave up hope as he is a man’s man and in the old currency you can call him a misogynist. He is now more in touch with my female side. I now go dining with my girlfriends, spend my money on clothes and my cosmetics that money can buy and still have money to spend on my favourite takeaways as I like to treat myself to my favourite deliveroo food.

We are now planning to renew our vows. Ex(don’t know what to call him now as he is under the same roof and same room 🙈) is helping plan this. Hopefully some place warm than this miserable blighty.
Kids now see me with so much admiration.

Sending hugs hun. DM me if you need anything.

Sunshines4you · 30/10/2024 02:17

@OnceDivorcedHeather Thank you for sharing your story. I am pleased that things have worked out for you and I wish you all the best.

In my case, I wish it was just “old fashioned misogyny” as you put it. I am nearly a decade younger than my husband and was groomed by him aged 17 into this relationship that I never wanted to be in. Then followed abortions, endless cycles of abuse interspersed with seemingly blissful periods of domestic life. Like yourself, it was a counsellor who opened my eyes to the abuse I had been suffering for 15 years at that point. She unwittingly opened the Pandora’s box and memories from when he first started abusing me by violating sexual boundaries as a 17 year old resurfaced in my brain. Then came more memories … and then some more. Until they wouldn’t stop.

It was at this point I was diagnosed with chronic post traumatic stress disorder or CPTSD. The memories were actually flashbacks of the abuse I had suffered but hadn’t registered as such in my brain. Sometimes it would leave in such a state that I would barely be able to function for days. I was advised to have EMDR therapy but was told it may not work or will backfire if the trauma is still ongoing. So I’ve had to put that on hold.

It took 2 years of trauma informed counselling and much healing to get to where I am. In all this, he saw me go through all the ups and downs and remained the same. My gut instinct tells me he will never change. I could wait/waste another 17 years, and he would still be the very same man.

I wish my story is as hopeful as yours, but I know now how traumatising it is for me to continue staying in this relationship. I will have to entirely lose my identity to conform to his vision of a homely wife and give up everything I fought so hard for in the form of healing myself these past two years.

I wish you all the best for your upcoming wedding and much happiness.

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OnceDivorcedHeather · 31/10/2024 19:08

Oh hun I hope you are close to where I live so I can give you a hug.

Since you opened up, let me tell you a bit of my story. I had to think long and hard before telling my story as it brings painful memories of my childhood. Now I am in a flow, here it is.

I met my ex or not ex but ex when I was 16. He is only 8 years older than me unlike yours but I was a rebel, hsngin out with the wrong sort of crowd in south London. 16 and in a park with a mixed group of people is not good combination. Then I met this guy who was very charming. We both had not had serious relationships in the past and I really liked him and he liked me too. We started experimenting our sexual side very quickly and in my case both our family’s knew we were going out but no one took us seriously. Not long later I gave in and from heavy petting and fondling (sorry to be out there hun) we started to try sex. He had not been with any girl before at least not that I knew off and he really liked me.
This was the old times and we didn’t know any less. I liked his attention and since he was doing his university I also felt safe as he was into his academic career.

Unfortunately I became pregnant and had a couple of abortions as we both were not ready to start a family. Then I went to university and I thought nothing about it until I learned that he was wanting to propose to me through my friend. He is nice that way. We had our first before we got married but staying together in the early days of living under one roof, his sexual needs were high and I went from giving into his sexual desires to abstaining. I found that the more I pushed him away, the more eager he was.

Our physical intimacy was usually the cause of make or break and I did not communicate this in the way I should have. My depression was mainly causing me to push him away and a trauma therapist knowingly or unknowingly mixed my own depressive feelings to my husbands need for intimacy and I started to dislike my partner. This is the hardest part as I did not realise that when I was a child my next door neighbour where I spent maybe 4 or 5 years of my childhood was probably not a nice man. I don’t remember a lot of things but despite him being an emergency caretaker he was upto no good. He was an oldish guy(maybe in his 50s or 60s) who liked playing games with me but I didn’t understand why we always ended up inside his house. I wanted to confront him during my CPTSD therapy but heard that that SOB had died. It’s painful memories with that old bastard.

When I became pregnant my family did not want anything to do with me and despite the abortions the only person who stuck with me was my ex. Later though I ended up hurting him the most as he was the only male figure in my life who I was so close to but who I could take out my frustrations. My loss of innocence when I was maybe 9 or 10 got mixed up with my love life and my married life. It may have been easier if my ex was supportive in our family life but on the contrary it was nothing short of hard work. On top of looking after his intimate needs I had to run a household. Demanding kids, school work, cooking, dishes, laundry, bin days, hoovering, tidying and doing beds even pressing my partners clothes every morning. He would come home and sit on his royal arm chair watching frikkin QPR or darts or rugby while chugging down beer while I have kids who drove me crazy. No help from him.

Then it was like a gun powder going off what did it for me was his soggy wet towel and his stinky pants on the bathroom floor. I had a hissy fit and waited for him to leave for work and I filled for a divorce.

After struggling for years not knowing the complex emotional struggles I had, all I did was brand him a misogynist prick who had wrong sexual ideas. It took months of therapy with him to unlock both sides of the story. I am happy we did it, albeit after our separation but now we both know how we misunderstood each other so much. Yes your right that we have a happy ending but it’s not a wedding hun. Just renewing of vows and a sign of us getting back together. I don’t know if it’s called a wedding again and I came to mumsnet to find out what it’s called and I stumbled upon your post amongst many others.

Truth be told, my identity is mine and not based on my ex. I had complex trauma as a child which I had not uncovered. I don’t know much about emdr and I also know there are many therapies out there. In all of this, it is about finding the right counsellor. Looking back my first few were keen to label my ex all manner of things I was unable to see the wood for the trees. I went to many forums and some of my online friends turned out to be anything but. I ended up taking the route of divorce but the last counsellor helped me see how my early years got twinned with my married life.

You said your ex saw you for 2 years in your ups and downs but was it when you both went for counselling? If he knew that your problems were about your relationship and the various feelings why did he not address it during your couple therapy? I will tell you that if my ex changed his heart, anyone can, I think. My ex had a temper and he would never back down from an argument or a fight. I always thought he hated woman but his actions were because I cold shouldered him in bed.

It is amazing how we unlocked a different life by openly communicating everything. Both our highs and lows. He also helps out a bit now. We are not there but we are definitely on the right track.

H x

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