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ex lying about income

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Clumsy12345 · 29/09/2024 23:01

I am sick of receiving £7 a week for my children which he hasn’t even paid in a year. how can I prove my ex is lying about his income? he pays nothing as he doesn’t have to whilst lying and hiding his income. Has anyone been in this situation? or i’m going to give up and close the claim as i’m fed up of him getting away with it. He doesn’t see the kids either I would probably be less annoyed if he seen them but as he doesn’t the least he should do is pay for them.

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Questions3 · 29/09/2024 23:07

How much does he make and why doesn't he see them?

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Clumsy12345 · 29/09/2024 23:23

Im not sure he told me 2k a month but that was 7 years ago so imagine it’s more now. he doesn’t see them because he doesn’t want to.

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Questions3 · 29/09/2024 23:26

Take him to court

roseymoira · 29/09/2024 23:28

There's little you can do presumably he is self employed, short of hiring a forensic accountant

DPotter · 29/09/2024 23:57

Don't close the claim; it's your children's money and although only £7 per week, it will mount up and at least help to pay for school shoes once a year.

And being a bit snide - keeping the claim going means he'll have to watch his income until the youngest is 18.

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Clumsy12345 · 30/09/2024 00:01

It isn’t because we don’t receive any of it he hasn’t paid in a year

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Monday55 · 30/09/2024 00:19

You need to call child maintenance people and tell them, don't let him get away with it.

Theunamedcat · 30/09/2024 07:15

Have you reported him? You need to report all missed payments then they can action it but they won't go back further than a year

Theunamedcat · 30/09/2024 07:17

And yes keep it going because he will be in a precarious position until the last one turns 18 my ex is working barely more than part time hours he thinks he is really sticking it too me doesn't he 🙄(10 years down 7 more to go)

endofthelinefinally · 30/09/2024 07:22

If he is living beyond his declared means you can report him to HMRC. Also, as pp have said, report the missed payments to the child maintenance people and ask them to set up direct payment from his salary. Presumably he is paying himself a salary...

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Clumsy12345 · 30/09/2024 08:23

There is nothing to report he is on collect and pay so payments don’t need to be reported if they are missed they already know they are missed he doesn’t have to pay as he is on benefits and owes debts that take priority over child maintenance.

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LadyLapsang · 01/10/2024 22:37

If he is claiming state benefits and hiding income, then report what you know to the fraud team so they can investigate.

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Clumsy12345 · 01/10/2024 22:56

Unfortunately it is not fraud his income if from rental and there is no limit when claiming UC the trouble is he isn’t declaring his rental income and I have no physically proof of it but know for certain. Anyway decided to close the claim it’s a losing battle.

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Bumblebee47 · 01/10/2024 23:34

Raise the variation of non earned income (property income) and assets/ notional income on the CMS portal under the additional income section. If you know the rental address you can get the ownership information off land registry for £4. Then ( if he isn’t declaring rental income) it will be processed as an asset (if above £31k) and deemed to earn 8 per cent income anyway. He wouldn’t be able to claim UC if has additional properties.

DPotter · 02/10/2024 08:21

I don't understand your logic here - sorry if I'm being naïve.

OK I get that it's annoying he is not contributing towards your children's upkeep, but why let him off the hook. Keep the claim in there. You would be letting him get away with not contributing if you pull the claim.

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Clumsy12345 · 02/10/2024 11:37

DPotter · 02/10/2024 08:21

I don't understand your logic here - sorry if I'm being naïve.

OK I get that it's annoying he is not contributing towards your children's upkeep, but why let him off the hook. Keep the claim in there. You would be letting him get away with not contributing if you pull the claim.

I don’t think you’ve read it properly he isn’t contributing because they haven’t taken a payment off him in a year

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Clumsy12345 · 02/10/2024 11:38

Bumblebee47 · 01/10/2024 23:34

Raise the variation of non earned income (property income) and assets/ notional income on the CMS portal under the additional income section. If you know the rental address you can get the ownership information off land registry for £4. Then ( if he isn’t declaring rental income) it will be processed as an asset (if above £31k) and deemed to earn 8 per cent income anyway. He wouldn’t be able to claim UC if has additional properties.

Its a housing association according to UC there is no limit to how much he can earn through renting

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DPotter · 02/10/2024 20:11

Clumsy12345 · 02/10/2024 11:37

I don’t think you’ve read it properly he isn’t contributing because they haven’t taken a payment off him in a year

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Yes I get that - but why let him off the hook completely. He'll have to keep his head down until your youngest is 18. If it's not causing you hassle or costing you anything - keep the claim going. I get it bloody irritating - both in the supposed amount and the fact he doesn't pay it.

I personally think any parent who doesn't contribute towards the care of their children should be publicly named and shamed.

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Clumsy12345 · 02/10/2024 21:32

I don't think it's worrying him. He finds it funny how little he has to pay. I only really want to keep it open if I can get the undeclared income taken into consideration. £7 a week that hasn't been paid in a year is already letting him.off the hook so would rather him not think I need it.

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DPotter · 03/10/2024 02:28

It's not a matter of you not needing the money. It's money he should be paying for his kids. As it stands you can say he's not paying anything towards the care of his children. If you drop the claim he can say, well she decided she didn't want it.

keep the claim open

Newunm · 03/10/2024 02:47

As long as your child is eligible, the claim should remain open. It's not about you.

Dumptytree · 03/10/2024 09:42

Sorry you are feeling like this. i agree with others to keep it open. Yes its annoying and maybe in his head he feels he is getting away with it but if he prioritises winning over everything else it does put him in a precarious situation as he has no records.

An ex of my friend did everything he could to get away without paying, fiddling books, cash in hand, you name it. He was royally fucked during covid as his declared income was nothing to what he actually made and needed to claim. Hes also now having issues with mortgages when he tries to buy with his new partner because things dont add up so he's finally had to go straight and pay whats owed. This is all of course my friends fault.

They think theyre winning but the claim does restrict them.

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Clumsy12345 · 03/10/2024 14:25

I just want to get what my children are entitled to I’m not going to leave it open as it stands as he hasn’t worked in at least 10 years now, I need to know how to prove he is earning an income through his property which is enabling him not to work. It is about me as I am trying to fight for what my kids are actually entitled to which is not a messily £7 a week which doesn’t even get paid. So if anyone has any advice on how I can prove he is lying about his income I would be happy to hear it otherwise I will be closing the case.

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Bumblebee47 · 04/10/2024 08:18

@Clumsy12345 do you mean he is renting out a housing association property? If he has been given permission (which he would need) then I would imagine it would need to be formal tenancy agreement/rental income declared. I would contact the housing association if you think he is renting it out without permission/criminal offence.

Or has he got lodgers and living in the property himself? If over £7500 per year income he would need to declare to HMRC. Tell HMRC and CMS if that is the case. If under £7500 per year then he doesn’t need to declare but it wouldn’t be much CM anyway.

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Clumsy12345 · 04/10/2024 10:02

He lives there so they are lodgers, the flat is in central London zone 1 so he can rent out the rooms for a lot of money, he has a 3 bed and sleeps on his sofa he told me 7 years ago that he got 2k a month so I imagine it's much more now given how much rent has increased and the location. I put 2k a month into the calculator and it said he needs to be paying £380 a month that's not a small amount to me that would make a huge difference as currently that's what they should be receiving a year and as I said it's definitely increased in 7 years

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