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One year on and DH still denies knowing he was having an emotional affair.

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Rubyredlegs · 02/08/2024 15:09

The title says it all really. A year tomorrow, my DH screwed up by messaging on his phone whilst I was sat beside him. We were on a video call to friends at the time, so it was late in the evening. He basically refused to put his phone down and refused to tell me who it was. This was so out of character, that I immediately knew it was OW.

At the end of August, he was still refusing to tell me. All I got was "work". But no name. And told "you have nothing to worry about".
I admit I cried in front of him and literally begged him to tell me.
At the time he had been off sick from work for four months. (But otherwise worked office hours). So there was no reason for any contact from anyone at work in the evenings.

He guarded his phone- oh and his wallet! Then he slipped up and I read his phone. Messages to and from this work colleague...going on for around five months.

I was devastated beyond belief... he told her all about his life, and asked about hers. She knew all about our DS and dog...
He even messaged her on my birthday when we were out with friends. What hurt also was the messages and selfie whilst we were on holiday in Florida. One message even at the airport, giving her details and time HE was due to arrive home! Not one message mentioned me - his wife or her husband-

To add insult to injury, the messages continued even after my initial confrontion - once I had read his phone, it was ME who blocked and deleted her.

Oh he adamantly denied it was anything. He didn't like her as a person. She apparently drank pints and that would have put him off, he said. It was just banter, chit chat.
And though twice she asked him out for a coffee, he didn't think to refuse her....

I've had gaslighting to the extreme - and tears and more heartbreak over the past year. We initially had two sessions of relate counselling- he refused to go back after being told he had made "some serious errors of misjudgement".

Its been a personal struggle with conflicting emotions- hard after being together since our teen days and married - happily I thought for 41 years. Most days we are doing well. But he still denies knowing that what he was doing was wrong!

Oh he certainly was under no illusions when all the shit hit the fan.
Though he's taken full responsibility since and I've had a cupboard full of "sorrys"- as a married man - and an intelligent one, at that - how could he not know? And why did he not end it when first confronted?
I feel like I'm stuck in a sliding doors movie.

Your thoughts and any insights would be helpful.

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SkytreeMadeOfClay · 02/08/2024 15:18

He didn't end it because he enjoyed it. It boosted his ego. He felt seen, wanted, special. I bet she's younger than him or you, right? Ugh.

You're shocked because you thought he was one of the"good guys". I reckon that most men's heads can be turned though, and sometimes it takes embarrassingly little for it to happen. And it's very convenient that you'd find out and it be the first time ever. It might not be the first time, especially it's been a long marriage.

Where do you go from here? Can you envision a life spent never fully trusting him, never fully feeling like you are enough? That's hard, he has done wrong and won't do therapy, so what on earth does he expect the future to look like... I'll tell you, he expects you to put up and shut up.

Do you want that? Do you deserve such a life? I would start putting myself first immediately, even if that led to a split.

Sorren · 02/08/2024 15:30

He did know. He just tells you he didn’t.

Assume you are both in your late 50’s/60’s if married that long?

I’m not sure where you go from here. What do you want ?

LizzieBennett73 · 02/08/2024 15:35

Why on earth do you want to shackle yourself still to someone who has no obvious respect for you? Set him free OP and you'll be freeing yourself from this mental torture.

Over40Overdating · 02/08/2024 15:38

If he didn’t know what he was doing was wrong, he wouldn’t have been so protective of his phone or wallet.

Wouldn’t had needed to gaslight you into believing him.

Certainly would not have left counselling after 2 sessions and being told he made errors of judgement.

How charming of him to spend so much time and thought messaging a woman who isn’t his type because she ‘drinks pints’.

He did it in full knowledge of what he was doing because his ego was being stroked.

And insecure little men like that don’t change.

If you are determined to stay, you can’t keep asking yourself why he did it and won’t admit to knowing it was wrong. You have to lay boundaries so rigid and firm that even someone as dense as he’s pretending to be knows where the lines are.

LifeExperience · 02/08/2024 15:48

Of course he knew it was wrong, but he got caught so he's lying to you so you won't leave him.

The next move is yours.

FakeMiddleton · 02/08/2024 15:50

You can't heal until he admits what he did.

I'd be leaving

Easipeelerie · 02/08/2024 15:51

I don’t understand why you’re still with him. He likely had more than an emotional affair and may still be involved. If he was truly contrite and wanted a fresh start for you both, he wouldn’t deny it.

TizerorFizz · 02/08/2024 15:52

People think by ditching a cheating DH that you wipe the slate clean. You don’t. I wasn’t letting anyone else have his money! No chance.

Easipeelerie · 02/08/2024 15:53

TizerorFizz · 02/08/2024 15:52

People think by ditching a cheating DH that you wipe the slate clean. You don’t. I wasn’t letting anyone else have his money! No chance.

I can see your point but how do you live day to day? Are you happy enough?

Doggymummar · 02/08/2024 15:53

Are you still together? That's mad

Rubyredlegs · 03/08/2024 14:49

Much of what you guys have said is spot on. But to answer why we're still together is - that we have a long history and and we still click.
We have built up a beautiful home and lifestyle- both jointly.

I haven't given him an easy ride regarding this OW or the lying believe me - nor have I made promises to stay. In fact, I have walked out twice - just packed a hand full of things, chucked them in my car and drove off to my parents to give me time to think.
The final straw was that DH broke one of my boundaries which was that he would not accept any social media requests from women.

He did. He did tell me afterwards but it shouldn't have happened.
Hence, I blew my top... and walked.

Another "sorry" went into the cupboard- it's full...
A week later, after much talking mainly me - I agreed to one last attempt to save our marriage. That was a month ago. And now we're right at the year mark. So old feelings, anger, resentment and sadness has resurfaced full on for me. DH can't understand why "I am looking back".

For the record - he's never been untrue to me before this- though he has admitted to having had the opportunity in the past. I believe him.

But no longer respect him.

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AllProperTeaIsTheft · 03/08/2024 14:57

For the record - he's never been untrue to me before this- though he has admitted to having had the opportunity in the past. I believe him.
But no longer respect him.

Not sure why you'd believe him tbh. But in any case, how can you stay with a man you don't respect? How can you stand the idea of living the rest of your marriage with no trust, having to impose rules about his social media use, never being able to entirely let go of what happened?

Surprisedmystified · 03/08/2024 15:37

So he has broken one of your boundaries.
He is telling you not to look back I.e just forget about his behaviour.
And if he doesn't think he did anything wrong anyway then how can he be sorry?
And he knows you aren't going to leave him anyway.

So there is obviously nothing to stop him just doing what he likes in the future because he knows he can get away with it with his empty " sorrys".

Tbh OP you sound as though preserving your lifestyle is the most important thing to you and you are willing to put up with his behaviour so you don't lose that. And he knows that.

Mumof3confused · 04/08/2024 05:52

He’s gaslighting you no lying to you because he doesn’t want to take responsibility for his actions and he does not respect you as an equal. He believes himself to be above you. Why do you believe anything he says? He’s a liar and a cheat.

Of course you can stay for the lifestyle but since he won’t take responsibility or admit he’s made a mistake or work to repair the damage he’s made, lower your expectations of him and your relationship significantly.

FairyMaclary · 04/08/2024 07:00

Have you read ‘not just friends’ by Shirley glass? Or ‘how to help my spouse heal from your affair’ by MacDonald?

He is trying to rugsweep. It won’t work. Cheaters minimise and trickle truth. They don’t like being the bad guy in their story either. He spent months being told he was wonderful by two women. He had dopamine hits which he will have enjoyed. Now reality is here and he has to face the fact he isn’t a nice guy, in fact he is yet another boring middle aged cliche. But he would prefer to rugsweep.

It takes 2-5 years to recover from an affair with a remorseful spouse. You have a spouse who regrets his actions and wishes ‘you’d get over it’. You won’t unless he changes. Most cheaters don’t have the character traits necessary to reconcile, that’s why they thought an EA was a good option in the first place.

Op go onto the surviving infidelity website. They have resources which may help you.

A solicitor appointment (in secret) to find out where you stand is a good idea.

Rubyredlegs · 05/08/2024 10:42

You are all very perspective and so right in every way. I know him and see him not through rose tinted glasses any longer but for the weak sixty year old man who put himself and his attention seeking ego before me.

He thought he "knew better" when I originally confronted him. Quite an arrogant statement which floored me at the time. Then back tracked to not realising what was happening! Seriously, you're in Florida with your family, yet messaging another woman. Oh and a woman you don't even like... lol 😆

We have made some positive changes to our life's in recent months. Both have taken semi retirement, plus he now works from home. I no longer focus on my career and we are spending more quality time together. I'm not sure we have a healthy balance as yet.
I have a wide social network- he does not - I'm attempting to redress that, until then we are pretty much together- a lot!

I also have a very supportive counsellor. She keeps me sane!
I have taken a brief look at the surviving infidelity website this morning and thanks for the Shirley Glass recommendation.

I did secretly get the house valued and would be fine in that sense.

He is desperate to keep me and has taken full responsibility. He genuinely loves me - however, I haven't had any big or grand gestures from him, like whisking me away on a holiday of a lifetime - no, none of that. Just us going dutch paying for a weekend in the lakes, to celebrate our upcoming wedding anniversary.... go figure..
Alll this hurt could have been avoided if only he had talked to me - instead " he knew better".
😔

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