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Divorce/separation

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Friend vent - any advice?

24 replies

sushiandsauvignon · 30/06/2023 07:52

Hi I've recently started the divorce process from my narc/emotionally abusive ex. We've been separated about 3 years, lived apart for 2, I've been out dating etc, am totally fine (at the moment) with getting divorced. We share DC but he only sees them 1 day per week. We are friendly on the surface, but deep down I know he's still playing games and wanting control over me. Just for context.

However as my ex has been so controlling in the past and has had inappropriate boundaries with my friends (eg he offered one of my friends a lot of £££ for helping her out with something but did this behind my back, after we'd separated, she was appalled and immediately told me thankfully) I have requested my 2 closest friends block him on socials etc. They are FB friends with my ex but as far as I know don't actually message or communicate. Has been that way for the 15+ years we were together. He has never socialised with these people unless I was there too and at a big event, like a wedding, they live some distance from our area so it's not just that we see them around whenever. Getting together takes a lot of planning. They are a married couple but are purely 'my' friends. I met Friend A many moons ago at uni, about 5/6 years later they married Friend B. I became friendly with B over the early years. More recently I have seen that B also has narc tendencies, and is very controlling of A. I am suspicious of B and keep them at arm's length now. Want to be there for A so can't sever the ties completely with B unfortunately.

My ex and I don't have mutual friends, he had a tendency to simply poach my friends, or come between us, which I didn't realise until too late. I lost some friendships due to this in our early marriage, which I regret. Until now the typical 'picking a side' during a split hasn't really come up before as we don't share friends. At Xmas exH weirdly sent A and B presents. He has never, ever done that before. He is the type of man who doesn't even buy gifts or cards for his own family, let alone my friends. So it was weird.

Anyway these 2 friends and I have an event coming up where I know B will be taking and posting lots of photos on all of their social media. I don't particularly want my ex seeing what I'm doing and I know B will tag me in things as they like to put literally everything on their FB and Instagram. I messaged both of them to tell them the divorce was in process, that exH is being quite arsey about it to put it politely, and could they block him so as to prevent him seeing pics of me. Friend A immediately replied 'no worries'. B did not reply for a few days. When they did, it was to say no they will not block exH as they would feel too bad. Wtf? Then some other BS about how B's loyalties would always remain with me, blah blah blah. B is never, ever likely to see my exH again, so I've no idea why blocking exH would be a problem, it's not like they'll awkwardly run into each other at the shop or whatever.

At this stage I haven't replied to B. I'm obviously very disappointed not to have their support on this. Being controlling themselves perhaps they don't see what it's like for me, having my ex try to involve himself in my private life, or perhaps they see this as a way to drive a wedge between me and A. B has always been strangely competitive of me and A and hates that we have a history together before B came along. But I feel like me trying to argue my point with B will just cause them to dig their heels in and they really don't get what a shit my ex is.

I just needed to put all this down and hope that some MNetters will understand and maybe even have advice in this!

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SheilaFentiman · 30/06/2023 07:59

You can have settings that mean you have to approve any photo tags. It doesn’t help much because he may still look at the untagged photos, but it might help a bit.

Lesssugarketchup · 30/06/2023 08:02

Bloody hell Op

You sound very controlling

SheilaFentiman · 30/06/2023 08:02

If B is narc and controlling as you say, he (I gonna guess) doesn’t like seeing you get away from a narc controller in case it gives A ideas.

on FB at least, B can customise the audience for a post so it excludes your ex without blocking. Or you could ask that B doesn’t post any photos with you in.

Lesssugarketchup · 30/06/2023 08:02

SheilaFentiman · 30/06/2023 07:59

You can have settings that mean you have to approve any photo tags. It doesn’t help much because he may still look at the untagged photos, but it might help a bit.

This

Lesssugarketchup · 30/06/2023 08:03

B doesn’t like being told who to block on his social media

especially when you can control who tags you

sushiandsauvignon · 30/06/2023 14:57

Thanks @SheilaFentiman I have that set up anyway, the issue is that because exH and B are friends, ex will see everything B posts publicly anyway if I'm tagged or not. Same on Instagram and any other socials I'm not aware of where they are connected, because I don't use any others such as Twitter. I try to avoid being in B's photos as much as possible but he makes it difficult, so thought being explicit about it might make him understand.

@Lesssugarketchup how lovely of you, not sure why I'm the controlling one. Maybe you'd understand if you'd been abused and controlled for years, I'm guessing you don't get it just like B. Asking for a friends' support to protect my privacy now I'm out of an abusive relationship is not controlling, it's self preservation and literally the only help I have asked of any of my friends in this long, shitty relationship. Other people I took into my confidence had already blocked exH without me even needing to ask. I had hoped to count on my longtime friends' support and understanding of not wanting a narc exH in my business, given there's no real friendship between B and ex it doesn't affect either of their lives, but B obviously thinks as you do. Cheers for the super helpful comment 👍🏻

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Marblessolveeverything · 30/06/2023 15:18

Honestly the only way you can ensure privacy is keep out of the photos and come off social media. Them promising to control their privacy settings is fine in theory.

Just a word of caution my experience was the ex will create multiple generic profiles someone in your connections will accept him and you will have the same issue again.

Lesssugarketchup · 30/06/2023 15:26

You begin by describing B as one of your “closest friends”

above you say

Asking for a friends' support to protect my privacy now I'm out of an abusive relationship is not controlling

and yet….

More recently I have seen that B also has narc tendencies, and is very controlling of A. I am suspicious of B and keep them at arm's length now.

It doesn’t sound like you think very highly of this “close friend”

Lesssugarketchup · 30/06/2023 15:31

B has always been strangely competitive of me and A and hates that we have a history together before B came along. But I feel like me trying to argue my point with B will just cause them to dig their heels in and they really don't get what a shit my ex is.

and he’s one of your closest friends? 😐

sushiandsauvignon · 30/06/2023 15:48

@Lesssugarketchup I don't know why you are being deliberately goady, I asked for advice and to vent, not for your weird comments having a go at me. What a strange way to get your kicks.

If you still require justification, B was a close friend after he married my friend A, we were all close for some time, he has some quirks but as A accepted it, I did so too, however in recent years he has done some unpleasant things to A. A decided to forgive. He is still a longtime friend because while A is with him, that's the way it is. If I want A to remain in my life I have to accept B, as A is not ready yet to make the break. I'm just waiting and A know I'm there to support. A is aware that B has shown abusive tendencies, which became clear after I identified similar traits in my exH. A is my main friend, so I have consequently known B for many, many years. We are still social because of A, and no I do not think highly of him because of what I've seen. I still call B a friend because I can't cut him off without hurting A, and that's generally what abusive people like - to cut others off around them, making them more vulnerable. It's what exH did to me with some of my friends. Neither A nor B have any kind of independent relationship with exH outside of me, hence me asking A and B to support my privacy. The expected response came from A - no problem, whatever I can do to help you. B's reply was disappointing, but perhaps I should have expected it being similar as he is to exH.

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sushiandsauvignon · 30/06/2023 15:54

@Marblessolveeverything I hadn't even thought of other profiles! 🤦🏻‍♀️ Thank you, something to be aware of. Sorry you experienced that. I was thinking of just deactivating everything but was resisting as I still have connections I'd like to keep. As most friends understood the situation without me asking anyway I thought it would be ok if A and B were onside, as they're the last links social media wise to exH, but probably just deleting altogether is the safest way. And thanks for understanding my POV!

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Lesssugarketchup · 30/06/2023 15:56

You think B is a narc, controlling and abusive. You keep him at “arms length”

I am baffled you would think for one moment he would bend to your request

Lesssugarketchup · 30/06/2023 15:58

what does A think about her husband’s response?

OhBling · 30/06/2023 16:02

I think that it would be nice if your friends could block your ex in light of the fact that he has been harassing and controlling to you. However, it sounds like they don't necessarily understand/accept/agree that he has and therefore won't. And there's often a weirdness in these situations where people don't want to do something to support their friend because they don't want to be rude (there's a whole separate thread here on how controlling, abusive people use this politeness to their advantage).

However, what you absolutely can do, is tell your friends that they do not have your permission to post photos that include you, whether they've tagged you or not. It's entirely possible that they might grumble and complain, but frankly, any perfectly nice friend would understand that. In the same way that if I take photos of a friend at an activity I always ask in passing if it's okay if I put it on Facebook.

sushiandsauvignon · 30/06/2023 16:31

Thanks @OhBling but both A and B know the whole story, A is empathetic and sees what a pos exH has been and how he is still attempting control via the dc and other things. I get what you're saying about the rudeness, but given that both of them have always been my friends, rather than mutual, and they never ever see exH as we live 2 hours away from their area, I didn't think it would be a big deal for B. They last spoke to exH in person probably at their own wedding around 9/10 years ago. If I was visiting them it would be on my own without exH. If they blocked exH now it would make literally no difference to them, there'd be zero comeback, being rude wouldn't even be a factor... except B now saying he'd feel too arsey doing it. Arsey to who? It's not like he's BFFs with my ex! As to permission, I know B won't really give a shit if he has my permission or not to post pics, his reply has clearly shown he couldn't give 2 hoots about my privacy or helping me out.

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Marblessolveeverything · 30/06/2023 19:41

Your welcome and thanks for the empathy, he eventually got bored 😁

OhBling · 30/06/2023 21:44

I 100% agree with you. Unfortunately I have seen, many many times, that people are not willing to take a stand. I don't understand it because it seems like such a no-brainer to me but....

My dh, lovely though he is, is one of the people who in this situation would probably NOT block your ex. We have had "discussions" around this sort of situation in the past but I now give up, particularly as j have now realised he is not unusual in this.

Itsybitsydoodah · 05/07/2023 14:06

Honestly I think this may be one of those times where you have to pick your battles. This could have the potential to escalate if you push it.

Your best option would be to avoid being in pictures. Alternatively have as much fun as you can whilst looking fabulous and dont worry about the exh seeing the pictures. It's none of his business what you do and any negative reaction from him will just reflect badly on him

namechangenacy · 05/07/2023 14:20

Op I have massive amounts of empathy for you I really do.

But you were within your rights to ask your pals to block him, but they are also within their rights to say no.

If you truly don't want your ex seeing photos of you, maybe just don't be in them. Easy enough.

Also I say this gently it's not normal for people to pick sides in a divorce even if it's not amicable. It's not the play ground, these people don't have to do anything because you told them too.

You seem to have fair amount of knowledge of your exs social media (which suggests maybe you haven't blocked him).

I would suggest you ignore and rinse and repeat.

omgsally · 05/07/2023 14:30

It's so tedious when people use they. Just say him or her.

omgsally · 05/07/2023 14:37

More to the point however.... I have a friend who is separating from an abusive husband. I'm fb friends with them both. I've no intention of blocking him but I certainly wouldn't post any pics of her on there that he could see. I want to protect her from him, not allow him access to what she's getting up to. At this point, I would very directly and specifically say to him that he's absolutely not to take any photos of you (who gives a shite if some arsey abusive man gets the hump cos you don't want to be in a photo).

SheilaFentiman · 05/07/2023 14:39

omgsally · 05/07/2023 14:30

It's so tedious when people use they. Just say him or her.

A may identify as non-binary

namechangenacy · 05/07/2023 14:44

omgsally · 05/07/2023 14:30

It's so tedious when people use they. Just say him or her.

They can also be plural so him or her wouldn't apply.

It's also tedious when people think, that making this type of comment makes them look smart. As it has quite the reverse effect.
Anyway enough derailment of this thread.

It's dull.

Morehelprequired · 18/07/2023 00:55

You say you’re ok, that isn’t normal behaviour, obsessive actually,
My guess is if ex is as controlling as you say he already knows who your dating, or as you said Separated early 3 years what gives you the impression he is bothered about you, if he is I’d be looking a restraining order.

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