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Child maintenance

88 replies

Bluebaron1 · 29/05/2023 16:17

Bit confused on the .gov calculator. I’ve entered my income and details etc and come up with a. Figure I should be paying.
however there is nowhere to enter my partners income I assume it only works if she is unemployed?
I’ve entered her details and she had to pay me!
Or do we do both and then take one from the other?
ideas?

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BetterFuture1985 · 30/05/2023 18:44

Shouldbedoing · 30/05/2023 17:53

While we're at it, 50:50 residency rarely benefits the children of separated parents, especially when young, because the children don't know whether they're coming or going and the previously less involved parent underestimates the time involvement and planning associated with childcare. The primary carer has usually got the job/career that works around parenting, and the associated reduced income/poorer career opportunities.

Only weaker financial parties who want to work part time and sponge off someone else actually believe this.

MillicentTrilbyHiggins · 30/05/2023 21:42

BetterFuture1985 · 30/05/2023 18:44

Only weaker financial parties who want to work part time and sponge off someone else actually believe this.

Hahaha haha sure. You keep telling yourself that.

GiveupHQ · 31/05/2023 06:08

@MillicentTrilbyHiggins

AS @BetterFuture1985
it makes for quite a read
full of lies and holes (one minute his wife never worked, then she worked part time and studied. One minute he says it was crucial he had 50/50, the next thread and it’s 35/65)

over 700 threads about divorce and CMS and anger toward his ex

it is actually quite disturbing and my heart goes out to his ex

BetterFuture1985 · 31/05/2023 10:17

GiveupHQ · 31/05/2023 06:08

@MillicentTrilbyHiggins

AS @BetterFuture1985
it makes for quite a read
full of lies and holes (one minute his wife never worked, then she worked part time and studied. One minute he says it was crucial he had 50/50, the next thread and it’s 35/65)

over 700 threads about divorce and CMS and anger toward his ex

it is actually quite disturbing and my heart goes out to his ex

Not half as sorry as I feel for your ex and all the other exes of sponging, emotionally blackmailing, tunnel visioned narcissists who've found their way on to this forum! Lazy parasites who try and get spousal maintenance so they can either have a cushy little job whilst their ex slogs their guts out, or not work at all. Who get most of the home equity not because they deserve it but because they are so pathetic, so useless that a court gives it to them for their "needs."

Honestly, I'm not surprised people some move to Dubai in disgust after divorce. It's all geared towards the lazy spouse being able to carry on being lazy in England.

GiveupHQ · 31/05/2023 10:23

And there we have it….. 😂

MillicentTrilbyHiggins · 31/05/2023 10:31

@GiveupHQ oh I see... he's one of those.

GiveupHQ · 31/05/2023 11:35

MillicentTrilbyHiggins · 31/05/2023 10:31

@GiveupHQ oh I see... he's one of those.

He’s quite disturbing and I feel for his ex

millymollymoomoo · 31/05/2023 11:38

Actually, betterfuture often has very valid points

50/50 can and does work in many circumstances
fior every dad who wants it to reduce maintenance there is an ex wife who doesn’t want it so her maintenance is reduce yet claims it’s not in dcs interest

and many many ex ( usually wives) talk of career sacrifices when they never really had one, and refuse to work on the basis that they can’t as they have children .- which is nonsense

peacelemon · 31/05/2023 11:42

Bluebaron1 · 30/05/2023 17:11

😂 clearly the point is lost on a lot of folks here.

it’s not that it says “don’t use for 50/50”, it’s the fact it provides an option, not only that it provides an answer!

like having door with a sign “don’t use” why have a door at all?

It's a rudimentary calculator. You plug numbers in it spits numbers out. It's up to you to read the instructions. This is very similar to many other online calculators. It's up to the user to understand what the fuck they are doing.

Magmum75 · 31/05/2023 12:27

This thread seems to have become a bit derailed. @Bluebaron1 I don't know why some have jumped on the idea you are trying to reduce or wriggle out of CM payments. The calculator does enable you to input calculations for up to 50% so why shouldn't you use it in this way. As you say, if you do two calculations one for each parent as a "payer" and agree to pay the lower earning parent the difference to even things out there is nothing wrong if that is the private arrangement you want to come to. The calculator does say that if you were to pursue a claim via CMS itself they may come to a different conclusion.

Sprogonthetyne · 31/05/2023 13:50

I think part of the problem is that you started by imputing a 3/4 split, which is not 50:50 and would make you the NRP/payer. You then seem to have changed your mind and decide you want 50% and the two have got muddled.

Probably best to put money to one side for now, and focus on what care split will work. Once you have an agreed contract pattern, you can work out how many overnights you will have the kids per year, then come back to working out maintenance.

If it's less the 182, you are the payer.
If it's exactly 182, no one pays.
If it's more then 182, your ex pays you.

BetterFuture1985 · 31/05/2023 14:59

millymollymoomoo · 31/05/2023 11:38

Actually, betterfuture often has very valid points

50/50 can and does work in many circumstances
fior every dad who wants it to reduce maintenance there is an ex wife who doesn’t want it so her maintenance is reduce yet claims it’s not in dcs interest

and many many ex ( usually wives) talk of career sacrifices when they never really had one, and refuse to work on the basis that they can’t as they have children .- which is nonsense

I will come clean though. I actually advise other people and the examples I claim as my own are actually those of the people I advise. I use them for illustrative purposes but have used myself as the proxy as a layer of confidence which I've allowed to be blown! I've helped a lot of people with higher incomes defend ridiculous claims from SAHPs (men and women) who have serious entitlement issues.

The one that I find particularly obnoxious are the men and women who were stuffing envelopes or working as unqualified help at a nursery for a living who want to convince you that had they not "sacrificed" their career they'd be earning £50k+ now. By all means let them proceed with a claim, provided they understand that they're not in their situation because they sacrificed something; they're there because their life's plan was to live off someone else and the courts might let them continue to do that.

GiveupHQ · 31/05/2023 17:17

You advise people and the scenarios you gave were actually from other people?

so when you wrote will be keeping the evidence and telling my children about my ex-wife's multiple affairs when my youngest is 14.

was that you or one of your imaginary clients?

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