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Inheritance before marriage - marital asset?

32 replies

greekeconomist · 23/02/2023 22:01

H and I have been together 15 years, married for 10 and I am very close to asking for a divorce. After getting together but before getting married, I inherited ~£300k, some went on our mortgage as an over payment but I still have 75% of it. What's the likelihood of this being considered a marital asset on divorce? I think the rest of our finances are pretty straightforward but wouldn't want him having "my" money. Thanks for any advice!

OP posts:
Greensleevevssnotnose · 23/02/2023 22:02

It's joint money, my husband was made redundant partway through our divorce and I got half

adriftabroad · 23/02/2023 22:08

IMO (and it is only an opinion, but I am going through a divorce)

This is a short marriage. I believe there is a good case to be made for inheritance being yours.

Redundancy during marriage is not like inheritance before marriage.

But again, just my opinion.

Eyerollcentral · 23/02/2023 22:10

Legally it’s a marital asset.

Eyerollcentral · 23/02/2023 22:12

adriftabroad · 23/02/2023 22:08

IMO (and it is only an opinion, but I am going through a divorce)

This is a short marriage. I believe there is a good case to be made for inheritance being yours.

Redundancy during marriage is not like inheritance before marriage.

But again, just my opinion.

It does not matter how the OP came in to the money - inheritance, redundancy, lottery win. Also ten years is not classed as a short marriage.

adriftabroad · 23/02/2023 22:16

Well, in my case after 20 years, it is not. But I hope you are right!

OP see a lawyer.

adriftabroad · 23/02/2023 22:17

10 years is a short marriage.

Eyerollcentral · 23/02/2023 22:19

adriftabroad · 23/02/2023 22:17

10 years is a short marriage.

Not in legal terms it isn’t. Five years might be seen differently.

Quitelikeit · 23/02/2023 22:19

Ten years is a short marriage only in your opinion

the op is looking for facts

MumOf2workOptions · 23/02/2023 22:22

I know someone who had a similar situation and she agreed not to touch his money, pension and sign the house over to him as she was advised this would work in her favour as 50/50 of everything at this stage would be less and he was keen to keep his own pension but as someone has said - get a free hour somewhere

adriftabroad · 23/02/2023 22:22

I am so happy to hear that, thank you. Very good news.

I was told 15 years plus was a long marriage.

As I said, just my opinion and I have seen 4 lawyers. OP see a lawyer and good luck!

LemonTT · 23/02/2023 22:23

adriftabroad · 23/02/2023 22:17

10 years is a short marriage.

Together for 15 makes it a marriage of 15 years.

adriftabroad · 23/02/2023 22:26

LemonTT · 23/02/2023 22:23

Together for 15 makes it a marriage of 15 years.

Really? So I have been married for 25 years! I am being told the date I moved out is when the marriage ended! (A year ago) and the date I got married was the date I got married.

Honestly, getting divorced is a minefield.

Eyerollcentral · 23/02/2023 22:26

adriftabroad · 23/02/2023 22:22

I am so happy to hear that, thank you. Very good news.

I was told 15 years plus was a long marriage.

As I said, just my opinion and I have seen 4 lawyers. OP see a lawyer and good luck!

Yes, 15 years plus is a long marriage. That doesn’t mean anything under than 15 years is short. I am a lawyer.

millymollymoomoo · 23/02/2023 22:27

Unless ringfenced it’s most likely to be considered amalgamated into marital
pot and split unless your ex agrees not to touch it

Soontobe60 · 23/02/2023 22:28

The thing is, there is no definitive ruling on what constitutes a short marriage, but the general consensus is about 5 years. There is also no definitive ruling on how the assets are to be shared out.
OP, you have been in this relationship for 15 years - as you’ve been married for a significant time, the time you were together before marriage will be included. Did you complete a prenup before you married? Is the house owned as joint tenants or tenants in common? The general principle on division of assets is that both parties should be able to have similar housing needs met. So looking at the equity in your house, would he be able to buy a suitable property from just his share of the equity? If not, then he may well be awarded a share of your savings by the courts.

Eyerollcentral · 23/02/2023 22:28

LemonTT · 23/02/2023 22:23

Together for 15 makes it a marriage of 15 years.

That’s not how it works. Time in a relationship before marriage may be taken in to account but the marriage is ten years not 15.

adriftabroad · 23/02/2023 22:29

Eyerollcentral · 23/02/2023 22:26

Yes, 15 years plus is a long marriage. That doesn’t mean anything under than 15 years is short. I am a lawyer.

Can I be really cheeky and ask your opinion?

Husband has bought various flats (secretly, during the marriage). Would they be marital assets then? (He bought with "inheritance")

TessoftheDubonnet · 23/02/2023 22:30

millymollymoomoo · 23/02/2023 22:27

Unless ringfenced it’s most likely to be considered amalgamated into marital
pot and split unless your ex agrees not to touch it

I fear this may be the case but OP needs legal advice. And more than a free half hour.

@greekeconomist - gather ALL financial documentation and see an experienced family solicitor.

Twiglett2 · 23/02/2023 22:34

My sol advised my rental property, which I purchased before marriage, (has never been used as the marital home, and my husband has paid nothing towards it) is classed as a pre marital asset.

She also advised any inheritance (either mine or my husbands) which had been kept separate is also a pre marital asset. However if when agreeing the finances there is not enough "in the pot" to provide adequate housing for both of us then any pre marital assets could be looked at. She said any inheritance used, for example, to pay towards the marital home, or in any other way intermingled becomes a marital asset.

Married 9 years, together 20 with 2 children (eldest 16).

Eyerollcentral · 23/02/2023 22:37

adriftabroad · 23/02/2023 22:29

Can I be really cheeky and ask your opinion?

Husband has bought various flats (secretly, during the marriage). Would they be marital assets then? (He bought with "inheritance")

Surely you have had advice on this? What did the solicitor say who has all the info? Generally any asset acquired during the marriage is considered a marital asset unless specifically excluded and even then it’s a high threshold to get across. The court looks dimly on people trying to hide money or assets.

adriftabroad · 23/02/2023 22:42

Thank you @Eyerollcentral , she said I could live in the rental property (not the marital home, he is in that andhas changed locks) until DD was "economically stable" (she is with me) but it belongs to husband.

But, judge may decide differently.

He is definitely hiding money, alot of it.

Thank you for your help. Methinks my lawyer is lazy.

Basically OP needs a good lawyer!

greekeconomist · 23/02/2023 22:43

Thanks for some super quick replies!

It's been ringfenced in our wills as "my" money. I'd like to think we could go 50/50 on everything else as while I own another property, he has had a far bigger salary and pension pot than me (about 65/35 split on salary and 80/20 on pensions) for the bulk of the time since 2DC 13 years ago and I went PT.

I will definitely be seeing a lawyer as just realised between us there's nigh on 700k in assets including my money plus pensions (live in SE so stupidly overpriced housing).

OP posts:
Eyerollcentral · 23/02/2023 22:50

greekeconomist · 23/02/2023 22:43

Thanks for some super quick replies!

It's been ringfenced in our wills as "my" money. I'd like to think we could go 50/50 on everything else as while I own another property, he has had a far bigger salary and pension pot than me (about 65/35 split on salary and 80/20 on pensions) for the bulk of the time since 2DC 13 years ago and I went PT.

I will definitely be seeing a lawyer as just realised between us there's nigh on 700k in assets including my money plus pensions (live in SE so stupidly overpriced housing).

Sounds like you have definitely got a lot of scope there to do a deal. Good luck

Michellexxx · 23/02/2023 22:59

From experience anything that gained money/interest/was at all ‘managed’ during the marriage goes in the pot. Have a family member divorcing after retirement- he brought all assets and money for houses. Everything, including shares which were active, are considered marital assets. The only thing that isn’t is shared bought 30 years ago, never touched during 13 yr marriage and pensions that were taken before marriage (elderly and both retired at start of marriage.)
so I’d think it would be included. Any rent/gains made on rental property, even bought pre marriage, would be included too.

Responsetoinheritancebeforemarriage · 24/02/2023 00:15

Re – Divorce and Financial Settlement
To know what a fair split of assets is and to reach a financial settlement divorcing parties need to know what the assets of the marriage are, and what each asset is worth.

Full and frank disclosure is a legal requirement.

What does full and frank disclosure look like?
Look at a Form E - A long document in which each party sets out their assets, income, and financial needs. You can see in it the assets that are taken into consideration upon divorce and financial settlement, for example property (the former marital home), pensions, savings, stocks and shares etc.

It also lists the documents needed that show the value of assets, for example CETVs (cash equivalent transfer values of pensions - which can be requested from pension providers). Form Es are exchanged – both parties fill them out, attach the required documentary evidence, and send them to each other.

What are the assets worth?
To find out what some assets are worth an independent expert can be used. Property can be valued by an expert - estate agents, pensions by CETV and / or a pension on divorce expert (PODE) report and so on.

It is important to decide what needs a valuation by an independent expert and factor in the costs of these.

An actuary can do an in depth report on pension sharing (using CETVs and other information from the pension providers). The actuary gathers all the data, and can then report what capital and income would be for each party if split 50/50 or a percentage of choice. They can be instructed to factor in retirement ages of the parties etc. Joint instructions are given to the actuary, and they walk parties through the process.

Pensions can be very valuable – equivalent or more than the value of the former martial home in some cases. Divorcing parties might hold different types of pensions (not like-for-like, so difficult to compare without an expert). Circumstances might be complex, for example an age difference or pensions in payment. One party may have stayed at home to look after children.

Who gets what?
When deciding how to distribute a couple’s assets and income the court must apply a checklist of factors set by statute.

The relevant statute is section 25 of the Matrimonial Causes Act 1973. These factors will need to be applied in every case, regardless of whether you are engaged in court proceedings or negotiating your own settlement. These are often called the Section 25 factors, which the court will consider when deciding how to distribute assets upon divorce or dissolution.

Section 25 Factors
www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1973/18/section/25
images.ctfassets.net/o8luwa28k6k2/2cpp2mEMwBJWJLuzTiTruB/b5397e7459154fad8927826a2c99acdd/section-25-expert-guide.pdf

The income, earning capacity, property, and other financial resource which each of the parties to the marriage has or is likely to have in the foreseeable future is considered.

First consideration is given to the welfare (while a minor) of any child of the family who has not yet attained the age of eighteen.

The needs of each divorcing party are considered and as I understand it 50 / 50 is the starting point – so unequal shares based on circumstances and needs is possible, for example 60 / 40.

Not getting full and frank disclosure?
It is vital to get all the assets “on the table” so that informed financial decision can be made and a fair/just settlement negotiated.

Full and frank financial disclosure is required and usually provided when Form E is exchanged.

If after Form E there is missing information / documentary evidence ‘Questionnaires’ may be exchanged to retrieve it – a list of questions and a list of any missing documentary evidence required which is served on each party.
If still missing after that, ‘Deficiencies’ are exchanged – questions can be asked to clarify and a list of required documentary evidence still missing sent.
A solicitor’s letter can be sent to retrieve financial information / documentary evidence.
A Court Order can also be applied for to gain financial information / documentary evidence / valuations that are missing / essential.

Advice and info
These offer a free advice session about pensions on divorce and separation www.moneyhelper.org.uk/en/family-and-care/divorce-and-separation/divorce-or-dissolution-how-we-can-help-with-your-pension
Free advice line (busy so keep trying) rightsofwomen.org.uk

Guides on divorce and financial settlement
www.advicenow.org.uk/divorce-and-separation
www.advicenow.org.uk/guides/how-apply-financial-order-without-help-lawyer

Pensions on divorce
www.sharingpensions.co.uk/penaudit3.htm
www.mediateuk.co.uk/the-ultimate-guide-to-pensions-on-divorce/
www.nuffieldfoundation.org/news/new-good-practice-guide-addresses-shortfall-in-understanding-of-how-to-treat-pensions-on-divorce

Valuation of pensions – pensions on divorce expert report (actuary)
www.collinspensionactuaries.co.uk no relation – useful website
www.collinspensionactuaries.co.uk/pension-data-collection/ templates for information required.

Mediation
Mediation can be used to reach agreements.

www.gov.uk/money-property-when-relationship-ends/mediation
resolution.org.uk/looking-for-help/splitting-up/your-process-options-for-divorce-and-dissolution/family-mediation/

The First Meeting with a Mediator – The MIAM
www.familymediationcouncil.org.uk/family-mediation/assessment-meeting-miam/
“The mediator will tell you whether your case is suitable for mediation, and you can decide whether you want to proceed with mediation or explore another option for resolving issues. The mediator can also give you information about other services which provide help and support.”

Some cases are not suitable for mediation e.g., domestic abuse/bullying/coercive control. (see below re domestic abuse)

Legal advice
This link gives you an indication of hourly rate for solicitors
www.gov.uk/guidance/solicitors-guideline-hourly-rates

Some barristers can be directly instructed e.g., via Clerksroom Direct
Mumsnet suggest www.advicenow.org.uk/tags/separation-divorce-and-dissolution-civil-partnerships

Some organisations offer free advice from solicitors and barristers rightsofwomen.org.uk/get-advice/ On their FAQs page…”Our Legal Officers and Volunteer legal advisors are all solicitors and barristers”.
Some family solicitors offer an in initial free consultation and some a fixed fee rather than hourly.

If applicable and for general info to pass on to anyone who needs it...
Domestic Abuse
www.gov.uk/guidance/domestic-abuse-how-to-get-help
In danger?
Call 999. Teach children how to do this.
How to call the police when you can’t speak
www.policeconduct.gov.uk/sites/default/files/Documents/research-learning/Silent_solution_guide.pdf
Leaving the relationship safely
www.womensaid.org.uk/information-support/the-survivors-handbook/i-want-to-leave-my-relationship-safely/
Legal Aid
www.gov.uk/legal-aid/domestic-abuse-or-violence)

In divorce and financial settlement, look after the old(er) woman you will become, financially :)