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Divorce/separation

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To stay or go? How to decide?

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Scandimama · 21/02/2023 12:06

Been married to DH for coming up on 10 years, together for 12. Two kids, 7 and 5 years old. Had a very rocky relationship since kids were born - he has drinking problems and although he’s now been sober for 1 year, he hasn’t dealt w the childhood trauma that led to them. He has very low self-awareness in general and is fairly emotionally unavailable (rarely says nice things, doesn’t show up for me when I’m down etc). We have grown apart more and more I’ve the years due to all our problems (also had a rough time w unemployment periods for us both and relocating to my home country where things aren’t easy for him in terms of language and settling in etc, also we moved during Covid, so forming new bonds has been slower than it would under normal circumstances). I feel quite lonely and like we aren’t at all on the same wave length anymore. I guess we used to be, but I have become more settled and mainstream whereas he has become
more alternative right, without realizing himself that’s what he’s becoming. But he idolizes Elon Musk and people like Jordan Peterson. The last straw for me is that he is quite sympathetic to Russia in the current war (his place of birth but haven’t lived there since he was 17). He says he is against the invasion and doesn’t support Putin and wants the war to end, and he also helped some local Ukrainians, but all he ever says and shares is excuses for why Russia invaded and pointing fingers at the West’s shortcomings and “provocations”. I work for a western government, so his views are even harder for me to stomach as I’m daily occupied with delivering messages of the other kind. Things have come to such an impasse that we don’t discuss politics at all anymore, as it just ends up in shouting matches. Whenever I try to listen to him
and be empathetic and ask him questions rather than lecture, he becomes angry regardless as he isn’t stupid and realizes what I’m trying to do (gently and subtly guiding him out of his delusions) and I genuinely think he suffers from cognitive dissonance and the more my questions makes this clear to him, the more angry he becomes. I’ve got to the point now where I have lost respect for him and feel angry at him almost all the time, for his belief in conspiracy theories and general approach to the world (he is very negative and stubborn in general too). I’m fantasizing of leaving him very often. The only thing that keeps me with him are the kids, who adore him. He is a really good father, he does all the shopping and the majority of the cooking, we split the school run equally, he does at least as much cleaning as me and he very loving and attentive to the kids, plays with them and plays board games with them etc. He genuinely cares and shows it. He also has taken my ultimatums that he had to quit drinking seriously and has been sober for a year and I belief he will stay so. He is also very supportive and kind to my elderly parents and support me in my career (I have more of a career job than him and tend to be out for work events at least once a week and he fully support this and looks after the kids). I know that if we split up, the kids would be completely devastated, and it would be hard for him to stay in this country financially, as we are just managing to stay in the flat we are in on our joint incomes. If he had to live by himself he’d have to accept a very small place with no space for the kids. I think he knows how hard it would be for him to stay in the kids lives if we divorced and thus doesn’t want to, but he’s not doing anything real to make our marriage work either. Seems he’s just accepted now that we jog along with no real closeness between us, as every time we try to get closer to each other it becomes clear how different we are and things blow up. The thought of divorcing truly breaks my heart because I want an intact family, both for me and the kids, and a trikes we do have a nice moment or chat, but at the same time, I feel like this is no way to live. We have finally got to a place of truce I guess, where we just avoid the issues we know are explosive and don’t often argue anymore, but now we just live as almost strangers who don’t trust each other. I feel so sad and like there’s no god solution. I am having therapy and in therapy I have realized how I cannot conceive of a divorce and how at some level I still love him, but I’m so desperate about his lack of insight and just wish he’d get therapy and treat his childhood wounds which I’m convinced are also the reason for his belief in conspiracy theories, as is often the case. At the same time I fantasize about a lighter life with a partner I truly respect. Any advice for how you’d handle this situation? Is it worth it to stay or do I need to face that divorce is the only way to achieve a level of happiness again for any of us?

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Whiteroomjoy · 26/02/2023 11:58

First, have you looked into the likely outcomes of divorce on finance or kids…in detail? You talk about him having to have a small place, but do you actually know what “ fair settlement “ is, as used by courts to sealing any financial order ( even one you’ve agreed yourselves). Do you understand in what ways you’ll be worse ff financially- because you will be, whatever happens, you both will be. Do you understand what child custody arrangements are most likely to be given.
if the answer is you’ve been assuming things, or not really thinking about detail, go on line and download ADVICENOW guides and do some homework . The link is in header at top of board

once you know this, then you can really begin to visualise what your life will be like post divorce- not some daydreaming fantasy, but the reality. Where you’ll live, what sort of accommodation, how often you’ll se the kids, ho w you’ll deal with co par thing, how you’ll deal iht childcare, chores etc. what you’re social life would be like as consequence of that.

once you can replace your current fantasy with realty, you’ll be able to assess if that will result in you being happier overall. Whether you’ll feel “ lighter” is probably unrealistic until kids leave home, as living on your own as co parent is not an easy path, and living as tw yous holds is more expensive on less assets than you had before

money is never the reason to get married or divorced, but plays a part here in determining how realistic you’re fantasy is.

once you can picture your future more clearly based on reality, you’ll be in a better position to know if that’s what you really want, or what you have is worth fighting for. Only you will know that

at that point is advise you talking through your options with a trusted discrete person- I fund this for enormously helpful in making my thoughts and internalised argument a reality and helping my decision

Whiteroomjoy · 26/02/2023 12:01

Sorry crap typing - I’m in bed 🤷🏼‍♀️🙄

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