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DS hates his Dad, but ex wants 50/50

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Llama77 · 25/01/2023 08:30

I don't know what to do anymore. Ex and I are separated (since Jan 2021, tried again briefly June 2022) but still living together. It is a living hell. He has bad mood swings, doesn't connect with kids, and has been verbally abusive to me on a number of occasions (I called the domestic abuse helpline in December after one horrible episode). He lost it in front of the kids too, yelling at me 'fuck you' and 'fuck your mum'. He is completely inconsistent e.g. one day be authoritarian, one completely shut off in his own world, one day trying to love bomb kids. Other times he starts ranting about something for a few days, most recently he kept saying to the kids they shouldn't listen to authority figures or do what they are told at school. They completely see through this behaviour now and mostly aren't interested in his attempts to bond when they rarely occur. I work part time and he has his own business, however he hardly does any hours. He is in the house all the time - doesn't have friends or any hobbies only goes running twice a week. He picks up the kids 3 days a week and my eldest hates it. However apart from the basics of some cooking and doing the dishwasher my ex does no other household chores or child related tasks. I do absolutely everything else on top of my work. In my opinion he neglects the kids emotional and sometimes physical needs. My eldest is nearly 11 and hates him. He says so regularly. He hates being alone with him. He refuses to go out anywhere with my ex. He has had bad mental health also, and both he and his dad are on the autistic spectrum. Dad refuses to acknowledge this, and we've been unable to get a diagnosis for my DS as his behaviour is perfect at school. My 11 year old has been referred to sessions with the mental health nurse and had help for mental health from other therapists and from school. He gets very depressed and has low self esteem. My other son (7) has a slightly better relationship with my ex but punches him hard on a regular basis. We have had one mediation meeting but still seem to be in stalemate. My ex often says he hates living in our house because of the kids being loud/energetic, too much 'stuff' (usual family house in my opinion and my friend's/family!) and he hates having lights on. He often gets overwhelmed and exhausted by the kids. But my ex is so stubborn he is doing nothing to move the situation on. He keeps going on about 50/50 week on week off where we both still live here but split the time with the boys. But this seems insanity when my eldest in particular gets very upset when I as much as go out for a few hours in the evening.

I literally don't know what to do anymore or who to turn to for help. My ex won't listen. Friends/family have said 'you're a saint to put up with it all' but I feel i dont have any choice. But it has got to the point where I cant bear being in the same room as my ex. I dread coming home from work and hide in my room after the kids have gone to bed. If it were a more straight forward situation I'd be happy to suggest some arrangements for sharing childcare but it breaks my heart to see my eldest so unhappy. Any advice very gratefully received.

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CrapBucket · 25/01/2023 08:35

This sounds horrendous and you are doing amazingly to hold it all together.

You know you need to change things but can't figure out where to start. Can you describe how you want things to end up? Everything else is a step in a process. But maybe figuring out the process back to front will help.

Ignore what your ex wants for now. Just figure out what will be the best for you and your kids.

MoleyAndGeorge · 25/01/2023 08:35

Your ex punches a 7 year old?

What?

Call the police when that happens.

CrapBucket · 25/01/2023 08:39

MoleyAndGeorge · 25/01/2023 08:35

Your ex punches a 7 year old?

What?

Call the police when that happens.

I think its the 7 year old punching his dad.

Llama77 · 25/01/2023 08:44

Thank you, and yes I think that's good advice too.

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Llama77 · 25/01/2023 08:45

7 year old punches his dad

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LittleLegoWoman · 25/01/2023 08:49

No, @MoleyAndGeorge , the seven year old is punching his Dad.
OP you can just say no to his terrible idea of you all continuing to live in the same house.

What needs to happen in terms of finances for you to have separate homes? If you own the house, you can force a sale, or try to buy him out? (but he’d have to agree to it).
If you rent, you can just end the lease and both move (or he can take it on if he earns enough).
How is your income doing? Is it enough to run a house alone - do check what benefits you might be entitled to. You might want to increase your hours and also consider finding some afterschool care/clubs for the boys so that they don’t have to spend so much time in their dad’s company without you there.
Your ex might actually parent much better when he’s only around the kids half the time or less - it might give him the alone time he needs to be less of a grump when he does see his kids.

It’s so much harder when there’s no possibility of a reasonable dialogue.

You could force your ex to go to court to work out how to split the kids’ time but it might go his way anyway unfortunately. The 11 year old will be able to vote with feet soon enough. And if he speaks to a third party about how he feels about splitting his time 50/50 between mum’s house and dad’s house then a judge may well take his opinion into account now.

LittleLegoWoman · 25/01/2023 08:50

I think you should try mediation. It might be a disaster because your ex won’t listen to anyone reasonable but it’s the first step in taking the case to family court anyway so. You may as well tick it off and get a third party observation of his ridiculousness.

whycantitbecalm · 25/01/2023 17:48

@Llama77 sounds very familiar.
My husband behaves the same, a couple of years ago he was diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder which holds some similar traits to both autism and adhd combined.
Do some reading on it and see if it fits for you.

My kids too hate spending time with their dad (we are currently together still) i am going out tonight and they're worried about me leaving them with him, last time he got aggressive with them (not violent) they have to have a mental backup plan for anything going wrong.

You need to break it all down and take one thing at a time

Toomuchtrouble4me · 30/01/2023 21:41

Why can’t you or he leave? I don’t get why you’re still in the same home?

Llama77 · 04/02/2023 09:36

Update: Ex had a breakdown a few days after I posted. It's been a tough week or so but he ended up seeing GP and starting anti depressants. And he has gone to stay with his sister for a few days, thank god. He has also said he is going to contact a friend to find out about lodging there. Feeling more hopeful and less stressed. Thanks for all your messages and advice. ❤

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Llama77 · 04/02/2023 09:41

LittleLegoWoman · 25/01/2023 08:50

I think you should try mediation. It might be a disaster because your ex won’t listen to anyone reasonable but it’s the first step in taking the case to family court anyway so. You may as well tick it off and get a third party observation of his ridiculousness.

Thanks for your suggestions. We have had one mediation meeting, my ex turned up looking like shit with no information regarding finances etc, and admitted he was hungover from his work do!!!!!!! But it helped as mediator backed up points I had been making. The mediator told me to look into benefits, my income/work options etc, and I am meeting with a financial advisor.

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Llama77 · 04/02/2023 09:43

whycantitbecalm · 25/01/2023 17:48

@Llama77 sounds very familiar.
My husband behaves the same, a couple of years ago he was diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder which holds some similar traits to both autism and adhd combined.
Do some reading on it and see if it fits for you.

My kids too hate spending time with their dad (we are currently together still) i am going out tonight and they're worried about me leaving them with him, last time he got aggressive with them (not violent) they have to have a mental backup plan for anything going wrong.

You need to break it all down and take one thing at a time

I have looked up Borderline personality disorder and it definitely fits, thanks for the tip. Sorry to hear it's tough for you and your kids too. Really hard. I'm hoping anti depressants will help my ex stabilize. (He had breakdown last week and finally went to GP.)

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Llama77 · 04/02/2023 09:44

Toomuchtrouble4me · 30/01/2023 21:41

Why can’t you or he leave? I don’t get why you’re still in the same home?

It's very complicated but I've just posted an update and we are making steps towards him moving out now.

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User0610134057 · 04/02/2023 09:49

I’m so sorry OP sounds awful
A lot of it struck a chord with me.
i told exDH I wanted to separate in august and in December I moved out with the children. He wouldn’t go anywhere and I had thought we could/we’d have to stay living together until the house was sold but the atmosphere was very bad and I felt it was damaging to the children (7, 11, 15).

Similar to you it’s my eldest who has struggled the most and just doesn’t want to spend time with him.
he also said about 50/50 and week on week off but I said no to that because I knew the dc wouldn’t want to and it was completely impractical (his plan was to hire a nanny because of his work). Like yours he struggles with the Dc, he didn’t really want 50/50 but wanted to make things hard for me and I think was also scared about losing them on one level even tho he never engaged with them when they were there!

i said I was open to 50/50 but a different pattern (knew if I said I wasn’t it would make him more determined) and of course he never came back with a different idea and when we sat down to talk about it before I moved out we’ve ended up with alternate weekends plus one weekday tea. Offered more but he can’t do it because of work/didn’t really want to.

even so, my eldest has been very upset about going ti spend time with him and it’s really hard to know what to do. She has an autism diagnosis and I believe he has ASD too. They’re both quite rigid and I’ve always kind of been in the middle.

ive been wishing someone would tel me what to do but at the moment I’m just encouraging her to give it a go and hoping she gets used to the new routine. Ultimately tho she’s nearly 15 and so it’s hard to force her to do anything.

good luck with your situation I think if one of you could move out it would help move things forward and you might find in reality he doesn’t really want 50/50.

you’ll then know best if your son is genuinely distressed about being with his dad or it’s a case of adjusting to a new routine

User0610134057 · 04/02/2023 09:51

Sorry just saw your update, must feel amazing not to have him at home. Hope things progress for you

mine won’t even entertain going to mediation and we’ve still so much to sort out legally and with the house but one step at a time

whycantitbecalm · 04/02/2023 11:01

@Llama77
"Thanks for your suggestions. We have had one mediation meeting, my ex turned up looking like shit with no information regarding finances etc, and admitted he was hungover from his work do!!!!!!! But it helped as mediator backed up points I had been making. The mediator told me to look into benefits, my income/work options etc, and I am meeting with a financial "

Last Saturday i told my husband i wanted a divorce, so we too are at the financial mediation stage and i need to see a financial advisor.
My husband went on anti depressants a couple of years ago for similar reasons, it took the edge off his explosions but the meanness was still very much there.
Thinking of you, enjoy the space and peace x

LittleLegoWoman · 04/02/2023 11:09

@Llama77 Oh that’s good news. Things are started to happen and you’ve got some 3rd party involvement to help you come to a sensible agreement for the kids without feeling steamrollered by your ex
Everyone feels like they lose in a divorce. A good agreement is probably one where both sides feel a little bit wronged, but that it could have gone worse.

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