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So what happens next?

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TheDieIsCast · 04/01/2023 10:50

Apparently I am getting divorced. He decided to file as a sole applicant and I responded just before Christmas.

So now we wait 20 weeks for the conditional order. At what point should I expect us to discuss finances? We originally said we would go to mediation- although haven’t discussed that any further.

When should I go to a solicitor? Is there value in seeing a solicitor now- or should I wait until we start financial proceeding? Do I arrange a house valuation- or wait till we actually start the next part. I can afford a solicitor- but there is limited savings- it will be deciding equity, working out what happens to the house we own together (that I currently reside in with the dc) and sorting the pensions. Should I wait for his financial information before I discuss with a solicitor what likely outcomes are- I would rather avoid spending £££ unless there is real value in doing so

Thank you for any advice/experiences!

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summerorange · 04/01/2023 19:49

If you can settle between yourselves what the financial agreement will be then I think that should be the next step - is that likely to happen ?

Once that is decided between you I would then take it to the solicitor or mediation to make sure it will pass the judge / is fair.

I did it for us and he accepted but we were quite equal in salary already so there wasn't any contentious issues and child care was 50:50 so again was easy to agree.

I think it depends on how complex your situation is - are either of you high earners / does one of you need spousal maintenance etc / what income will you live on etc?

Also pensions can be complex / how close toe retirement etc.

ResponsetoOPTheDieIsCast · 29/01/2023 20:18

Re – Divorce and Financial Settlement
To know what a fair split of assets is and to reach a financial settlement divorcing parties need to know what the assets of the marriage are, and what each asset is worth.

You can make an informed decision about fair asset split once there has been full and frank disclosure and once you have all the documents and valuations for each asset.

A mediator can help you do this (in some cases mediation is not appropriate eg domestic abuse. First step is MIAM
resolution.org.uk/looking-for-help/splitting-up/your-process-options-for-divorce-and-dissolution/mediation-information-and-assessment-meetings-miams/

www.gov.uk/money-property-when-relationship-ends/mediation

Important to have all assets "on the table" - Form E helps you do this

Form E
Look at a Form E. A long document in which each party sets out their assets, income, and financial needs. You can see in it the assets that are taken into consideration upon divorce and financial settlement, for example property (the former marital home), pensions, stocks and shares etc. It also lists the documents needed that show the value of assets for example CETVs (cash equivalent transfer values of pensions - which can be requested from pension providers).

To find out what some assets are worth an independent expert can be used. Property can be valued by an expert - estate agents, pensions by CETV and / or a pension on divorce expert (PODE) report and so on. It is important to decide what needs a valuation by an independent expert and factor in the costs of these.

Pensions can be very valuable – equivalent or more than the value of the former martial home in some cases. Divorcing parties might hold different types of pensions (not like-for-like, so difficult to compare without an expert). Circumstances might be complex for example an age difference or pensions in payment. One party may have stayed at home to look after children.

@AnnaMagnani and @silentpool made some useful comment on this in this thread

www.mumsnet.com/talk/divorce_separation/4664756-what-do-i-need-to-do-about-our-pensions?reply=121093079

Full and Frank Disclosure
Full and frank financial disclosure is required and usually provided when Form E is exchanged.

If after Form E there is missing information / documents Questionnaires may be exchanged to retrieve it.
If still missing after that Deficiencies are exchanged.

A solicitor’s letter can be sent to retrieve financial information / documents.

A Court Order can also be applied for to gain financial information / documents / valuations that are missing / essential.

When splitting the assets of a marriage - Section 25
www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1973/18/section/25 applies
images.ctfassets.net/o8luwa28k6k2/2cpp2mEMwBJWJLuzTiTruB/b5397e7459154fad8927826a2c99acdd/section-25-expert-guide.pdf

The income, earning capacity, property, and other financial resource which each of the parties to the marriage has or is likely to have in the foreseeable future is taken into account. As I understand it, first consideration is given to the welfare (while a minor) of any child of the family who has not yet attained the age of eighteen.

The needs of each divorcing party are taken into account and as I understand it 50 / 50 is the starting point – so unequal shares based on circumstances and needs is possible, for example 60 / 40.

Where to get info and advice
These offer a free advice session about pensions on divorce and separation www.moneyhelper.org.uk/en/family-and-care/divorce-and-separation/divorce-or-dissolution-how-we-can-help-with-your-pension

Free advice line (busy so keep trying) rightsofwomen.org.uk

Guides on divorce and financial settlement
www.advicenow.org.uk/guides/how-apply-financial-order-without-help-lawyer

Pensions on divorce
www.sharingpensions.co.uk/penaudit3.htm
www.mediateuk.co.uk/the-ultimate-guide-to-pensions-on-divorce/
www.nuffieldfoundation.org/news/new-good-practice-guide-addresses-shortfall-in-understanding-of-how-to-treat-pensions-on-divorce
Valuation of pensions – pensions on divorce expert report
www.collinspensionactuaries.co.uk no relation – useful website
www.collinspensionactuaries.co.uk/pension-data-collection/ templates for information required

Legal Advice
You can be a litigant in person representing yourself. You can get legal advice. You can be represented by a solicitor or barrister.

This link gives you an indication of hourly rate for solicitors
www.gov.uk/guidance/solicitors-guideline-hourly-rates

Some organisations offer free advice from solicitors and barristers rightsofwomen.org.uk/get-advice/ On their FAQs page…”Our Legal Officers and Volunteer legal advisors are all solicitors and barristers”.
Some family solicitors offer an in initial free consultation and some a fixed fee rather than hourly.

Some barristers can be directly instructed e.g., via Clerksroom Direct
Mumsnet suggest www.advicenow.org.uk/tags/separation-divorce-and-dissolution-civil-partnerships

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