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Divorce/separation

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Is it possible to stay amicable?

26 replies

DragonWasp · 30/11/2022 21:25

Been with my husband for 11 years, married for 8. 2 children 6 and 4. He initiated us splitting up but deep down I know it's not a healthy relationship.

We will sell the house next year and separate then. At the moment we are amicable. Am I deluded in thinking that it can remain amicable?

He thinks we can sort the finances between us. I don't think that's possible especially since he wouldn't have thought about my entitlement to his pension.

I know I will be heart broken on behalf of my children if he remarries and has more children. I don't want my kids to have to share their dad with another family. But obviously I'll have to accept it if it happens.

Please tell me if you have managed to keep things amicable. I don't have any other family so he will still be my next of kin and hopefully still be a big part of my life. I want us to co parent well.

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KangarooKenny · 30/11/2022 21:28

If he’s being amicable I’m wondering if he’s trying to hide something. Please do not agree to anything or sign anything without speaking to a solicitor.

stitchinguru · 30/11/2022 21:30

I think that had my partner not cheated and lied this may have been possible.
However, I think the betrayal involved when the split is due to infidelity makes it extremely difficult.

Rtmhwales · 30/11/2022 21:34

It really depends. Bring up the pension and see what his reaction tells you?

DP and his ex swore they'd be amicable but they're the least amicable people I know and their divorce went to court to have the assets divided (mostly down to her thinking she was owed a lot, and losing out at court unfortunately).

My friend and her ex have stayed super amicable but they both just wanted 50% of everything - the possessions, the house, the pensions, the savings, the child. They get along really well now with each of them re partnered with new families. Celebrate Christmas and birthdays together, very flexible for their son.

So it can work, but I would say it often doesn't.

DragonWasp · 30/11/2022 21:36

@KangarooKenny I won't sign anything, thank you. I intend to do it through a solicitor.

@stitchinguru sorry that that happened to you. I hope you've been able to move on.

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DragonWasp · 30/11/2022 21:38

@Rtmhwales I wonder if it was amicable because it basically wasn't fair on her, she would probably be entitled to more than 50% of everything. 🤷‍♀️

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Purplecatshopaholic · 30/11/2022 21:40

I think it depends why you are splitting. If it’s broadly a joint decision, and/or a recognition the relationship has run it’s course then maybe… However more often than not, that’s probably not the case. My ex cheated. We were not, and are not, amicable…

millymollymoomoo · 30/11/2022 21:48

It is possible
but as soon as people start getting ideas about what they are owed, getting grabby, refusing to compromise and negotiate etc that’s when things can start going sour

not using solicitors doesn’t automatically mean he’s trying to screw you over - he could be trying to reduce costs. Do you know his income, house values, mortgage, pensions etc…. If so it might be possible to reach agreement through mediation rather than an adverbial approach

time can also heal and allow a level of amicably which might not be possible at the start when emotions are raw

ArcticSkewer · 30/11/2022 21:52

yes. we did 50:50, I consider that to be fair for us, via a joint solicitor.

Saved an absolute fortune compared to friends who used solicitors, with essentially the same financial outcome but much lower fees.
Obviously not advised if you don't know the finances etc

DragonWasp · 30/11/2022 21:53

Thank you @millymollymoomoo I don't think he's trying to screw me over but I do think he hasn't considered everything. I know what he earns etc. I have no idea what he has in his pension.

Yes I think I'd like to do it through mediation.

I've got over the raw but.

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DragonWasp · 30/11/2022 21:54

@ArcticSkewer that's great to hear.

I just don't know how to work out what's fair for splitting the pensions. I don't even understand how that works.

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ArcticSkewer · 30/11/2022 21:58

You both get your pensions valued via CETV and take it from there. If either has a defined benefit pension or a teachers/public sector/nhs pension (so maybe worth more than the cetv) you can pay for an additional valuation done by a specialist who can also advise on a split.

Ours was easy as we both have the same type of pension so easy enough to compare

DragonWasp · 30/11/2022 22:00

Thank you!

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Sunshineandflipflops · 30/11/2022 22:02

When my ex h and I first separated it wasn’t amicable as he had an affair.

we decided to wait 2 years to divorce but then lockdown happened so it ended up being about 4 years before we started proceedings but it meant that we had time for initial feelings to subside and for the actual divorce to be more civil.

we both had solicitors and did everything fairly-I won’t say there wasn’t any disagreement over division of things but we were able to come to an agreement fairly easily.

5 years in from the initial split and a couple of months divorced and I’d say we are friends. It benefits our dc for us to get on and we went through too much together to throw it away entirely.

DragonWasp · 30/11/2022 22:06

@Sunshineandflipflops wow 4 years is a long time. Thanks for sharing.

We are definitely invested in getting on with eachother .

I'm absolutely gutted my children won't have parents under the same roof so the least we can do is have a healthy relationship with eachother. 🤞🤞🤞

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GreenManalishi · 30/11/2022 22:12

I feel that the amicable divorce is a bit of a modern day myth, and dinners together and Christmas round each other's houses isn't always the standard everyone should be trying to acheive.

If you have got to the point where getting a divorce is a better option than keeping the family together, presumably some fairly serious shit has gone down and there are going to be feelings about that, that will affect the trust required for a true friendship to continue. And that's fair enough.

The intentions can be there, but the gloves often come off at some point.

eztiger · 30/11/2022 22:25

I can claim an amicable divorce. Everything split 50:50, no disagreements about money, custody or maintenance. We had a couple of lockdown Christmas’ together

it can be done! But it requires some effort not to sweat the small stuff and avoid being petty. Definitely not easy, but we manage it

notdaddycool · 30/11/2022 22:32

I have good friends divorcing at the moment, he’s being a sh1t. I think the solicitors are going to earn £30k minimum, if you can agree something close to amicable and keep that money between you don’t fight over every last penny to make a point., but don’t be a door mat. Part of their problem is they have uneven assets, earning potential and childcare responsibilities. 50:50 custody, similar assets, earning potential and no infidelity probably makes it easier.

ThatLibraryMiss · 30/11/2022 22:48

My first husband and I had an amicable divorce. It wasn't easy but I cared more about him - he really was a lovely man, but the marriage was just passionless - than I did about getting particular pieces of furniture. Both our solicitors advised us we were entitled to more so we figured we'd got it about right. I'd still go a long way for him if he needed help.

LemonTT · 30/11/2022 22:49

Being amicable doesn’t mean you cannot be assertive in your entitlement. Just like being aggressive isn’t the same as being assertive.

If you both agree that you will be guided by actual divorce laws and only vary if it suits you both, then you can be ok. You will both face challenging financial futures for a short time. But it is entirely possible to rebuild especially if your are supporting each other with your parenting responsibilities.

Emptyinsidetothecore · 01/12/2022 08:01

It’s early days for me but STBEH and I plan to be amicable, even despite his infidelity.

He is a good father, I cannot take that away from him. In addition, he wants to be in DC’s life, so there’s joint custody happening already and it’s working for our DC.

It is interesting that outsiders automatically think I should have DC more, but I don’t want STBEH to be a part time dad, and I know DC want to see him too, and he wants to (I do appreciate that some ex’s push for 50/50 so they don’t have to pay CM though)

I have been pleasantly surprised with the mediation service. We have a great mediator and whilst we both have had initial solicitor advice, the mediator has saved us money already. Potentially our financial situation is less complicated than others (no debt, savings, similar earnings). Pension was the only potential issue due to his being a DB one so not like for like. Mediator has told him what he needs to do, which mirrored my solicitors advice, and he’s listening, so I’m happy (so far).

I have hope that it can be amicable. I can’t picture us sitting around a dining room table or me forgiving him for what he’s put me through; but I can vision that I will be amicable for the sake of my DC.

I keep putting my mum hat on and not my wife hat on when I speak to him and keep DC at the centre of every communication and decision. It’s psychological for me - I’ve been more amicable in the last few days because I’m more accepting of it being over, not being in control of his behaviours (only my reactions to them) and knowing that I have no choice to get through this. It hurts like hell that I won’t see DC for 50% of the week, and I’m struggling with that, but I could blame him for that, or deal with what it is and how I can benefit from that situation (more time for me, a hobby etc).

I have hope and it sounds like you do too.

Emptyinsidetothecore · 01/12/2022 08:06

Being amicable doesn’t mean you cannot be assertive in your entitlement. Just like being aggressive isn’t the same as being assertive

Very interesting to read this @LemonTT I’ve been assertive and accused of being aggressive, which I’ve denied. I tend to find a woman is assertive, it is misinterpreted as aggressive. I took emotion out of my expectations and STBEH did not like that and built up a list of other behaviours that fed his narrative I was being aggressive. All BS, he did not like being wrong and his guilt made him blame me. He knows my weak spots so telling me I’m aggressive hit me where it hurt, as I know I’m not an aggressive person.

Newlifestartingatlast · 03/12/2022 09:21

I divorced last year on grounds of unreasonable behaviour. We were married for 30 years
we were amicable because we choose to put our feeling to one side for the sake of keeping cost of divorce to a minimum and to complete it quickly.
we remain amicable, but happily very distant, because we choose to be able to attend family gatherings together without it being awkward for our sons

in terms of getting consent order and making sure everything is fully disclosed, go to the link MN has provided at the top of the page to ADVICE NOW.

These guides cost around £20 to download. You will need the divorce process one and the one on so it yourself financial agreement . The guides are written by English solicitor charity and walk through process, how the marriage act works in terms of what the courts consider “fair settlement” ( NB 50:50 is not the starting point most people think- it often ends that way. The courts base “fair settlement” on the 10 or so criteria given in marriage act ). The courts have a duty of care to apply “fair settlement” even if just “sealing” your consent order . They also have a duty to ensure full financial disclosure has been made by both parties, and that you understand what you are signing.

The ADVICE NOW guides tell you the step by step process, forms to use (form E and D81), they tell you what bits you must use a solicitor for, what you may want a solicitor for, and what you certainly don’t need a solicitor for.

I found these guides, downloaded and then passed a copy to my ex. We read through in our own time. We then sat together and ran through process to agree what we’d use solicitors for, and which of us would initiate that. We also agreed to do our Form E and D81 together (we had shared finances anyway), how we’d get our pensions valued, house valued etc.

it allowed us to determine in our own space and time the likely outcome if we went to mediation or, god forbid, fought it all the way to courts. In the end, you’d probably not end up with anything different going the full legal adversirial route unless you are extremely wealthy. The extra maybe £10k you maybe would get would be burnt through easily by legal fees . By going though by ourselves, it allowed us time to adjust to the fact we’d both be poorer, and let us define what we’d compromise on vs what we wouldn’t and why. It made the job of discssuing it together much easier then.

I can’t praise these guides enough. The government web site for divorce is also extremely well designed and written- use the guides for each form.

our divorce cost us £1400 inc vat in total . That included solicitor costs for consent order draft (writing our draft and decisions into a legal speak document for the courts), plus ex’s 1 hour with solicitor so we could confirm to courts that he’d also taken legal advice. We just split this between us.

our divorce took 11 weeks from petition to decree final and consent order sealed . Ok, you can’t do it that fast now since law changed to a min of 26weeks, but point is we had no delays as we worked amicably to ensure we minimised costs, time and stress.

I am still having psycho therapy for the “unreasonable behaviour “ he subjected me to for many years of our marriage. It impacted my own mental health. I am worse off than I was, despite contributing financially way more than him (he didn’t work the past 15 years of our marriage). However, over time I will adjust to that. Parking those issues, and doing everything to remain calm, dispassionate, logical, practical through our divorce settlement was worth it in terms of getting it done and being able to continue to have good relationships with my dc .

RuthW · 03/12/2022 09:33

Yes it's possible. I did with my ex.

Newlifestartingatlast · 03/12/2022 09:33

KangarooKenny · 30/11/2022 21:28

If he’s being amicable I’m wondering if he’s trying to hide something. Please do not agree to anything or sign anything without speaking to a solicitor.

This is not very helpful and it spouts the same old MN response of finding adversarial solicitors (“good”) and then be posting how expensive divorce is. It isn’t uncommon here for costs of £10-30k to be quote. FGS , it doesn t have to be that way.

it actually is, in most cases, quite straightforward and not rocket science. Solicitors are mostly running laughing to the bank becuase people are too lazy or lacking confidence to figure the process and outcomes in terms of “fair settlement” for themselves. Solicitors are racking in £100s of wasted money answering dumb questions, listening to rants etc of people who don’t know they can actually find this information out for themselves.

Hence why there is a link above to ADVICE NOW

Yes, she needs a solicitor for some bits of the process- namely the legal draft of the consent order, or reviewing that same draft of her STBex solicitor draws it up.

Newlifestartingatlast · 03/12/2022 09:45

GreenManalishi · 30/11/2022 22:12

I feel that the amicable divorce is a bit of a modern day myth, and dinners together and Christmas round each other's houses isn't always the standard everyone should be trying to acheive.

If you have got to the point where getting a divorce is a better option than keeping the family together, presumably some fairly serious shit has gone down and there are going to be feelings about that, that will affect the trust required for a true friendship to continue. And that's fair enough.

The intentions can be there, but the gloves often come off at some point.

It entirely depends on peoples motivations and where they want to end up long term

if you want the end point to be a quick divorce and as cheaply as possible that is a very strong motivation to set historic stuff aside and save that for after the decree final and consent order are signed.

if you want to continue to have a strong relationship with your kids, including well into the future when they get older , both actively involved as their parents (even into adulthood) then there’s a strong motivation to focus on staying amicable in your dealing with each other .

it takes a bit of compartmentalisation. Putting how STBex and your relationship was, the reasons for the divorce, the pain, stress and generally shit emotions into one box. And then the practical stuff into another . But with the motivation there, it can be done. It also requires people learning to emotionally detach from their STBex

if however, you are thinking about short term - you focus on your hurt, your injustices, trying to take out that anger on STBex. Ok, it might win you a few more quid in a divorce process than him, but you’ve probably lost £100s in fighting it out on solicitors/mediators fees. It might make you feel better at the time, but in 5 years times that will have been no help whatsoever, and even maybe would have had other ramifications.

it’s not a modern day myth. I know lots of people who have done this. Maybe they don’t make juicy stories around the dinner table so you just never hear.