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What can I expect?

13 replies

ChillyMoo · 31/10/2022 10:13

I am a SAHM. Am job hunting now. I'm getting divorced.

Four school age dcs. Six pets. Rented home.

What can I expect to get from a settlement? 50% of his salary?

Can I place a claim on any future inheritance he gets from his father? I am worried sick about money and am grasping at straws.

OP posts:
bingotime · 31/10/2022 10:23

Child maintenance is approx 12% of salary. You won't get anything near 50% if his salary.

ChillyMoo · 31/10/2022 10:26

Four kids and I can expect 12% of his salary?

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KangarooKenny · 31/10/2022 10:27

Whose name is on the rental agreement ?

KangarooKenny · 31/10/2022 10:27

Have you spoken to a solicitor ?

SpookyMcGhoul · 31/10/2022 10:31

Are you in the UK? Are you using professionals to negotiate the divorce? You won't get 50% of his salary, use the CMS calculator to see what you're entitled to. Is his father likely to pass soon? If he hasn't got the inheritance now, then it won't be in the pot to be split now. I think you can claim in the future, if you don't have certain orders in place - but it's not something I'd be banking on or looking to do tbh.

What joint money do you have now? What do you have access to? Who's name is on the tenancy?

MichaelFabricantsWig · 31/10/2022 11:00

Cms for 3 or more children is 19%. Does he have pensions? You need to see a solicitor.

tickticksnooze · 31/10/2022 11:02

Clean break is the preferred principle of the courts. You won't get spousal maintenance. You will be expected to get a job.

millymollymoomoo · 31/10/2022 11:04

Why on earth do you think you’ll get 50% of salary ??

youll Get a share of any assets if there are any
youll get child maintenance ( check cms website to get a view of how much )
you might get some spousal maintenance for a limited period if he’s a high earner. If he’s not you can forget that

millymollymoomoo · 31/10/2022 11:29

And you will not be able to put a claim on future inheritance !

KangarooKenny · 31/10/2022 13:09

If he has them 50% of the time will she get anything ?

AnneLovesGilbert · 31/10/2022 13:10

What does he earn? Have you looked into what benefits you’ll qualify for?

creideamhdóchasgrá · 31/10/2022 21:37

Re: talking about what a fair split would be, think about whether you both really know what all the assets of the marriage are, and what each of them is worth.

To know what a fair split of assets is, and to reach a financial settlement, divorcing parties need to know what the all assets of the marriage are, and what each asset is worth.

Look at a Form E - when you have some time.

It's a long document in which each party sets out their assets, income and earnings, and financial needs. In Form E you can read about the assets that are taken into consideration upon divorce and in the financial settlement aspect, for example property (the former marital home/second homes), pensions, bonds, stocks and shares etc.

Form E also lists the documents needed to show the value of each of these assets for example CETVs (cash equivalent transfer values of pensions - which can be requested from pension providers).

Form E shows what full financial disclosure looks like

To find out what some of the assets are worth an independent expert can be used. Property can be valued by estate agents, pensions by CETV from the pension provider, and / or a pension on divorce expert (PODE) report, and so on.

If the offer is one party keeps the house and the other keeps their pensions, how do the parties know this is fair or 50 / 50 without valuations?

It is important to decide what needs a valuation by an independent expert and factor in the costs of these. The costs can be shared and instructions to the experts can be joint.

Pensions are sometimes overlooked. They can be very valuable – equivalent or more than the value of the former martial home in some cases. Divorcing parties might hold different types of pensions (not like-for-like, so difficult to compare without an expert). Circumstances might be complex for example an age difference or pensions in payment. One party may have stayed at home to look after children. @AnnaMagnani and @silentpool made some useful comment about it on this thread:
www.mumsnet.com/talk/divorce_separation/4664756-what-do-i-need-to-do-about-our-pensions?reply=121093079

A mediator can help. In some cases this is not appropriate - the mediator will advise. Mediators are a cost effective option and it's my (limited) understanding that parties receive a report on what been agreed which they sign (the mediation agreement).

www.familymediationcouncil.org.uk/find-local-mediator/
They say on the site, "Family mediation is a process in which an independent, professionally trained mediator helps you work out arrangements for children and finances following separation".

When splitting the assets of a marriage read about what is taken into consideration here:
www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1973/18/section/25

The income, earning capacity, property, and other financial resource which each of the parties to the marriage has or is likely to have in the foreseeable future.

As I understand it, first consideration is given to the welfare (while a minor) of any child of the family who has not yet attained the age of eighteen.

The needs of each divorcing party are taken into account and as I understand it 50 / 50 is the starting point – so unequal shares based on circumstances and needs is possible, for example 60 / 40.

Advice, Guides and Links
For a free advice session about pensions on divorce and separation go to www.moneyhelper.org.uk/en/family-and-care/divorce-and-separation/divorce-or-dissolution-how-we-can-help-with-your-pension

Free advice line (busy so keep trying) rightsofwomen.org.uk

Guides on divorce and financial settlement (to read when you have time / energy)
www.advicenow.org.uk/guides/how-apply-financial-order-without-help-lawyer

Pensions on divorce information (to read when you have time / energy)
www.sharingpensions.co.uk/penaudit3.htm
www.mediateuk.co.uk/the-ultimate-guide-to-pensions-on-divorce/
www.nuffieldfoundation.org/news/new-good-practice-guide-addresses-shortfall-in-understanding-of-how-to-treat-pensions-on-divorce
Valuation of pensions – pensions on divorce expert report
www.collinspensionactuaries.co.uk no relation – useful website
www.collinspensionactuaries.co.uk/pension-data-collection/ templates for information required

Proper legal advice is needed.
(this is not my profession)

This link gives you an indication of hourly rate for solicitors
www.gov.uk/guidance/solicitors-guideline-hourly-rates

Some organisations offer free advice from solicitors and barristers rightsofwomen.org.uk/get-advice/

On their FAQs page…”Our Legal Officers and Volunteer legal advisors are all solicitors and barristers”.

Some family solicitors offer an in initial free consultation and some a fixed fee rather than hourly.

Some barristers can be directly instructed e.g., via Clerksroom Direct

BetterFuture1985 · 01/11/2022 09:52

ChillyMoo · 31/10/2022 10:26

Four kids and I can expect 12% of his salary?

No, that's wrong but you won't get 50% either. The way the system works now though what will work best in your financial interests is a solution where you do only slightly more than half the childcare. This is win win because he will still have to pay a reasonable amount in child maintenance but you'll also have a reasonable amount of time to work, earn your own income and build a career as the children get older.

I don't know how much your husband earns and I'm not legally trained or familiar with any court in England except the one I got divorced in so I have no idea if spousal maintenance is relevant to your case. Normally though - statistically speaking - it is not. A survey of cases was done around 10 years ago and found spousal maintenance only applied in 16% of cases and a third of those were nominal only (i.e. £1 a year to keep the door open, and these orders becoming substantive are as rare as hen's teeth).

Since then (and this is just parroting the advice my solicitor gave me), the tide has turned further on spousal maintenance for various reasons such as cases (Chiva v Chiva, Waggott v Waggott) and because of the introduction of universal credit that sees benefits lost £ for £ against maintenance received and it may not even be in your interests to get SM for various reasons. For example, if he can only afford to pay you SM that matches your benefits then by losing UC you also lose access to things like free dental care, free school lunches etc so you actually end up worse off.

Instead, think about where the income is coming from. For the weaker financial party (assuming they are the resident party) you normally have three sources of income:

  1. Child Maintenance. Calculate that here: www.gov.uk/calculate-child-maintenance

  2. Benefits. That's child benefit (which for you is £3,387.80 a year and will no longer start being lost if your ex earns in excess of £50k) and universal credit (the actual amount depends on when your children were born). You can calculate that here: www.entitledto.co.uk/

  3. Your own income. As a UC recipient you will be expected to work a certain number of hours a week, I don't know the specifics because it does depend on the age of children. This will obviously increase over time as your children get older and you can work more.

In most cases the combined total exceeds half of the stronger financial party's net income. For example, in my divorce, just from being a TA my wife had here own income of around £1k a month, child benefit of £200 a month, universal credit of about £600 a month and child maintenance from me of about £900 a month. All combined she had £2.7k which was about 56% of my net income and she was also deemed to be quite capable of earning a lot more.

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