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Divorce, coercive control, denial, 5+ years, abroad: the nightmare I can't seem to wake up from

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DivorcingEU · 20/10/2022 14:15

I am posting for a hand hold. I've posted before under different names, but want to keep this thread separate.

I am going to drop feed cos it's too long a story to write in a post, but the thread title and my name contain the salient points.

Today HSTBX (H=hopefully) received the divorce proposal from my lawyer. It's one that's to my benefit, because it's from me. He's been angry that she didn't centre his feelings. Or him. He's supposed to receive it, then speak to his lawyer and write a counter.

Instead he's been calling me telling me how awful it is, how bad my lawyer is, how I'm stealing, lying and the whole shebang. Luckily he's working away today and tomorrow - otherwise he'd be following me around the house in the evening going on at me.

He thinks that because I paid for the lawyer from the joint account, all the information she's given me should be given to him too. I'm not sure which account he would rather me pay it from as he's prevented me working for years. We've also done legal mediation, which broke down because he wasn't engaging, so separate lawyers is the only route left.

But, I'm making all this sound worse than it is. I'm making him sound bad. I'm making him seem like a caricature. I'm saying I'm always right. I'm saying he's always wrong. I'm saying it's all his fault. I'm basically remembering everything wrong, thinking everything wrong and being entirely unfair. According to him, as usual. And I'm doing all this to punish him. By "all this" I mean not centering him and his needs in my proposal.

I wanted to get divorced 5.5 years ago. He won't leave the house. I can't due to our particular circumstances (I've been working on this though). He wants/wanted me to look after the children. He even said again today that I have children and live abroad so of course I couldn't have worked. Then he says that it was my choice not to.

I hope this is over soon.

Really soon.

I have a therapist and a few friends who I can speak to, but it's so so much, I can't keep unburdening on them. So I'm going to do that here.

If you recognise me - because I'm not going to bother changing details, I don't have the energy - then PM me to say hi! I'd like to not be so alone.

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DivorcingEU · 20/10/2022 19:51

I feel like I'm sitting on some massive panic attacks but they just won't come out. It's a bit like needing to sneeze, but worse.

I hope to goodness this can be over soon. I hoped that once we had lawyers that there would be a way out of arguments for me, by saying "speak to your lawyer". I don't know how many times I said that today.

And it's unbelievably sad too because he's genuinely suffering and while I expected him to be annoyed, I didn't expect him to be so upset. Devastated even. I guess this is the first time he's had to look divorce straight in the face and he's had the power removed from him - or that's what it feels like to him - because I'm not entirely powerless for once. He's been in control of everything always, so he could/would walk out the room if I mentioned divorce, making it impossible to discuss anything. Now he can't stop me talking because someone else is speaking on my behalf in an official process.

However, I feel like I'm a smashed pane of glass held together by chance. The minute the wind blows, I'll crash to the ground in a million tiny pieces.

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Allisfairinloveandwar · 22/10/2022 23:34

I feel your pain as I have experienced it before. Just be careful if you still live under the same roof. For a controlling freak, this is the most dangerous time for you to be alone with him.

at the same time, you have nothing to lose and everything to gain by making sure you have a solicitor to take care of your financial needs. He will be so happy to con you of what you entitled

Sending you loads of hugs and kisses 😘

Bonheurdupasse · 20/11/2022 09:19

How are you doing OP?
(I think I saw another thread from you…I wanted to shout at the unfairness of things for you.)

PermanentTemporary · 20/11/2022 09:22

You must feel so trapped. There is an end point somewhere and you are getting closer to it. What a nightmare right now though.

apalershadeoflight · 20/11/2022 09:28

Keep strong, op. Focus on the life you will have once you get rid of him.

Would it be worth going to see your gp about some anti-anxiety meds to get you through this awful time?

(You write beautifully, by the way. I love the image about a smashed pane of glass only holding it together until a gust of wind brings it crashing down.)

pointythings · 20/11/2022 17:50

I remember a previous thread from you. I'm sorry your H is being so horrendous, but you are doing the right thing divorcing him and I hope you will be able to keep that in mind always. My advice would be to grey rock him and just keep on ploughing through it - you will come out on the other side.

Newlifestartingatlast · 20/11/2022 17:55

Are you able to speak with him Op?
if so can you point to a couple of things he could read up on to get him to a place where he can put the emotions aside temporarily to get on with practice matters?

one of these would be a link to grief pathway - have a look yourself as well and see if it makes some sense. I know neither of you have died, but you are loosing your relationship and it produces many of same emotions and stages to go through. I found it, as did my ex, helpful to understand why we felt what we did ( separately)

second is to get hold of ADVIVE NOW guides. Link is now at top of page from MN on this board. They’re £20 a pop but at £3.50+ per minute for a solicitor, an absolute bargain. Print off and share with him and read yourself too. This will help him understand the process and likely outcomes, and give you a common language and process to follow.it should make him feel more empowered, and it will give you confidence that you are not what he says - provided that when you do look at guides you are requesting “ fair “ settlement. If not, it will help you to become more realistic

I know it’s not your job or circus to help him get to a place where he can start to move forwards, but if you can it will make it better for you too. You’ll be able to process the divorce quicker, reach more amicable agreements, saving solicitors costs etc. it does sound like you are further on in your pathway than him, and he needs to catch up in effect.

Newlifestartingatlast · 20/11/2022 17:57

I haven’t read previous threads…so if he’s abusing you this won’t be something to,share- they might help you though

DivorcingEU · 21/11/2022 11:56

Oh goodness. I didn't see anybody had replied. Thank you lovely people.

I am still in shock that he thinks - believes - I shouldn't have a career because I have kids. Honestly, of all the things that have happened, this has been the one that has made me wake up to what's been going on. I've been able to say things that were happening, but it was like I was talking in my sleep because I didn't feel anything. I was, and still am really, detached from them all, even though I know they're bad. This one though half gives me an anger I'm not used to having and half makes my brain flatline in shock.

He's apparently made a move on engaging a lawyer and I'm expecting his counter-proposal any day. Which is scary but also shocking: he never responds so quickly to me with anything! Usually we get to a month and I then carefully mention whatever it is only to be told I'm not using the right tone, or the right words of I've brought it up at a bad time due to his work or he's tired. And it goes in for months like that. So to actually have him engaging in the process already is a shock.

Obviously he doesn't want to show his (female, with a family..) lawyer his usual stalling techniques. They're apparently only for me.

I was manoeuvred into a dinner two weeks ago (his friends with our kids and I couldn't get out of it without upsetting my kids). So I went. There he sat expressing confusion about how a man could ever abuse his wife/partner. I thought I was going to vomit. They were all talking about how awful it was.

However, I continued with my Oscar worthy performance of calmness (truly, I should get an award as nobody frigging knows how I feel unless I've told them - and when I do, they are always shocked and say something like "I had no idea, I thought you were happy together!"). I went to the loo to retain my calm and returned to him being amazed at the incredibleness of this couple for (honestly, wait for it) taking a bus between two cities with her brother and his wife and all their kids, about half are teens. The equivalent of National Express. I thought they were joking! Turns out that no, he thinks she's amazing for getting on a coach with three other adults and the kids.

Meanwhile, wanna guess how this non-driver here travels anywhere alone with kids? Yup, not in a car, that's for sure!

It didn't even occur to him because I very literally don't exist outside childcare, running the home and attending dinner with a few people so he can keep his image of "husband and father" tuning along.

I'm not exaggerating. I don't exist.

He even talked at home about how amazing they were for getting the coach! I said nothing. There's no point is there. At one point I'd have said something and it would end in an argument.

I've also realised that while he definitely doesn't tick all the boxes, he fully ticks some components of being a psychopath, at least with me. Nobody who is friends with or works with him would have a clue. No empathy, no remorse, doesn't care about hurting (no physical violence) me, even when I tell him he is, as long as he gets what he decided he wants and thinks he's entitled to. I am merely a tool for the betterment of his life. Rules aren't something that apply to him either. Not really. But he comes across as very much a rule follower.

I'm so sad though. Sad I couldn't see it. Sad I have been brainwashed to believe I'm wrong and he's right - about everything. Even my first degree subject he thinks he knows more about than me! Sad that I managed to end up in a relationship that has utterly broken me, to a point I'll never fully recover from. Things will be better, but my trust in others wasn't great before - he was one of the only people I've ever fully trusted - and it's now something actively dangerous to me.

Some days it's really hard to carry on. If it weren't for having kids I definitely would have ended my life. I've not been living in a hell, because I've not been able to live. I've had to switch everything off and just keep going forward. Like sleep walking. Meanwhile, his life has gone from strength to strength. I feel such an idiot for not being able to see it (even now I know I can't see it all), for letting it happen and for letting myself end up in such an incredibly vulnerable position.

A position btw he recognises because he likes to say he's been helping me by staying, wait for this goodie..because "DivorcingEU isn't working"!!!

Literally everything he says is the exact opposite of reality and he's so calm and rational and understated, that everybody believes him immediately.

Anyway now awaiting his counter proposal. Given he thinks I've been trying to steal his premarital assets (that he has not properly recorded, WTAF - I can't steal something I think is separate and he hasn't recorded!?!) I'm not holding out any real hope of fairness. But still, stupidly, there is a tiny slither of it there. You'd think I'd have learned by now, but no, the little bit of hope is still there. I'm thinking that because he probably wants to impress his lawyer with his kindness and generosity towards me, he wont put together something that shows him in a bad light. We'll see.

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