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Divorce/separation

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Who decides to separate ? Husband told me to decide

29 replies

Fantastique11 · 20/10/2022 12:06

We are not getting on well for a long while. Argue almost daily. Same things round and round. Some issues in the past with infidelity and it’s just not working. I hate the conflict. It’s making me so unhappy. I say to my husband we should separate as it’s not working but he then says I have to make the decision. It seems ridiculous he wants me to decide. Is this normal?

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BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 20/10/2022 12:08

Sounds like he can't be arsed to try and make things better. I'd ask him to move out.

WizardOfUK · 20/10/2022 12:10

Haven't you already made the decision by saying you want to separate. I'd go and see a solicitor, get yourself in a good position knowledge wow twist then ask him to leave

Wolfiefan · 20/10/2022 12:11

Do you have kids? Is he thinking that he can ‘blame” you? Or is he thinking he wouldn’t pay as much for the kids as you wanted the split? Or is he simply happy to muddle along as you are?

Sunshineandflipflops · 20/10/2022 12:12

Well I guess one of you needs to say the words first and it sounds like he isn't going to so if you are as unhappy as you say and you can't see a way forward, it's going to have to be you. He will then of course be able to tell everyone it was your choice to absolve him of any responsibility for your marriage ending but I would suck that up for the sake of my future happiness.

I officially ended my marriage by seeking solicitor's advice and starting divorce proceedings but my ex had the affair.

DenholmElliot1 · 20/10/2022 12:12

I agree with a PP - if you are telling your DH you should separate then you've already made the decision.

All that remains to be done now is to negotiate the finances and legal and living arrangements and make plans for the children.

Fantastique11 · 20/10/2022 12:14

i get the feeling he just want to keep going and can’t be arsed to sort it out.
be just showed me on his phone how many times I wrote separation in my message. 75. He said it’s just me. It’s all me.
he did once say he is staying only for the kids (we have 3 under 10) but I hate it. He doesn’t understand me.

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Fantastique11 · 20/10/2022 12:16

Oh that’s tough. But yes you need to make that choice.
I think he wants the responsibility to be mine so the blame lies squarely with me.

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arethereanyleftatall · 20/10/2022 12:16

Well, great, you decide then. Happy days. Your choice.

arethereanyleftatall · 20/10/2022 12:17

Blame doesn't lie with anyone in a separation. It's irrelevant.

Sidge · 20/10/2022 12:17

You’ve already made the decision - you’ve told him you want to separate. So what are you waiting for? He’s obviously not bothered and is taking the path of least resistance by making it your issue, so take it.

Make time to sit down and sort out the logistics. Be clear and concise.

I don’t want to be with you any more. I propose you move out and I stay here with the children. Let’s go to mediation to draw up a plan for finances and child care. Then I shall start divorce proceedings.

Sidge · 20/10/2022 12:19

There’s no blame now in divorce. And the reasons for separation don’t affect any future financial or childcare planning. So just get on with it. Life is too short to be miserable.

Fantastique11 · 20/10/2022 12:25

Has anyone been in this scenario ? I am afraid. If I’m honest. I don’t know what to do.
i keep trying but it’s so hard. I feel like my world will fall apart. But the sleepless nights are more frequent.
i don’t have anyone to talk to about it only a therapist. She obviously can’t tell me what to do.
i am so confused. Esp with the way he deals with it. We only communicate really by WhatsApp. It’s just not normal I know it. I feel stupid.

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DenholmElliot1 · 20/10/2022 12:34

I think most divorced women have been in this scenario OP.

One good bit of advice I got given was "observe, don't absorb" which basically meant take a step back, keep emotion out of it and observe his behaviour very very closely. Taking emotion out of it means you don't absorb all his bad behaviour and get confused. So in short, give yourself to year end to see if things improve. Don't argue, don't debate, don't criticise don't anything except get on with your life and closely monitor his behaviour.

By new year you'll see him for what he really truly is and then you could push ahead with the divorce with a clear conscience that you did give him the opportunity to make things better.

But most importantly, start taking emotion out of things and look at him more critically and analytically if that makes sense.

HeddaGarbled · 20/10/2022 12:39

You want someone to make the decision for you: your husband; your therapist; us. That’s understandable but not reasonable.

You’re talking yourself into a panic.

Put aside all that “I feel stupid, I feel like my world will fall apart” stuff and concentrate on practicalities for now.

Where will you live? What money will you live on? Children? Get a book or go online to find out how to get divorced.

When you know what separation will look like in practical terms, then you can make the decision from a position of knowledge, rather than whirling about in a fog of panic.

Fantastique11 · 20/10/2022 12:40

DenholmElliot1 · 20/10/2022 12:34

I think most divorced women have been in this scenario OP.

One good bit of advice I got given was "observe, don't absorb" which basically meant take a step back, keep emotion out of it and observe his behaviour very very closely. Taking emotion out of it means you don't absorb all his bad behaviour and get confused. So in short, give yourself to year end to see if things improve. Don't argue, don't debate, don't criticise don't anything except get on with your life and closely monitor his behaviour.

By new year you'll see him for what he really truly is and then you could push ahead with the divorce with a clear conscience that you did give him the opportunity to make things better.

But most importantly, start taking emotion out of things and look at him more critically and analytically if that makes sense.

Thank you. That’s helpful. I Will try to do that.
can I ask what you decided ?

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Fantastique11 · 20/10/2022 12:42

Yes you are right. I’m getting panicked and emotional and need someone to tell me what to do. But I will take a step back observe and monitor it and make some plans. Decide in a while when I know clearly.

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arethereanyleftatall · 20/10/2022 12:43

I'll tell you what to do.
Go see a solicitor.
Work out what your finances will be.
Think about the logistics of it all.
Understand that you and your dc will be far far far happier once it's all sorted.

Devo1818 · 20/10/2022 12:46

What if you told him you don't want to separate, you want to work on your marriage - change things and be happy together?

BlueRibbonPen · 20/10/2022 12:47

Do you think couples counselling is worth a try?

OriginalUsername2 · 20/10/2022 12:49

He wants to separate but wants to be the victim or not be seen as the bad guy. IME

Fantastique11 · 20/10/2022 12:53

I suggested the counselling but he said he did it before and it’s a waste of money doing it again. I have hormonal issues. I’m probably not the easiest at times but I have a tendency to take responsibility and I think I have to stop accepting it.

i want to fix things but I can’t live in conflict over small things everyday. Being reminded of mistakes I’ve made. It’s truly awful

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WallaceinAnderland · 20/10/2022 13:05

Don't overthink it. If you want to separate, start the process. If he doesn't, he will stop it.

Toomanysleepycats · 20/10/2022 13:45

Im older, retired and post menopausal. I effectively ended the marriage, because I was fed up with his controlling and belittling behaviour. I asked for relationship counselling which he rejected, and in a later text he suggested separating.

However, he still blames me for the divorce and says he didn’t “want this”. He is playing the victim and is working madly to present a financial offer which presents as 50/50 but truly isn’t. He had a solicitor but has decided it’s too expensive. This is a man who has probably spent nearly £100,000 on his “hobbies”. Yes that’s £100 thousand fucking pounds!

The narrative is that this is entirely my idea. I think he has forgotten the “let’s separate, we probably should have done this five years ago” text. And you know what? I don’t give a fuck!

He is unfortunately the sort of person who has to always see himself as the good guy. So even if the shoe was on the other foot, he would still turn it so he was the one who was hard done by. And you know what? It doesn’t matter.

So whether your husband is like mine or not, you can’t control how he will present it.

Keep your eyes on the prize and visualise what your life would look like if you divorce. Mine is I’m standing in a kitchen, the back door is open, the sun is pouring in and I’m looking out on a rather scruffy garden, with a couple of elderly cats wandering about. But it’s MY house, MY garden. Thats my dream for what it’s worth.

See a solicitor and hopefully set your mind at rest about the finances.

I know talking to my therapist helped me see how bad my husbands behaviour had been. She confirmed to me it was classed at emotional abuse. Being post menopausal meant I was no longer willing to be someone else’s service human.

Those two facts gave me permission to end the marriage. Everything my STBXH has done since has just cemented it. The reason I had spent at least 8 years previously being unhappy but unable to make a decision was simply because my husband had always told me I was the problem. Once I stopped believing that, my path was clear.

My suggestions:

1)See a solicitor

2)Talk to your therapist. Ask if your husbands behaviour is the reason you have lost your confidence/self esteem. I read that a symptom of this is an inability to make decisions. Yes, that was my problem, in spades.

3)As already suggested, take a step back, observe and “grey rock”.

I want to say to you that you sound like a woman who wants to divorce, but I realise that is me just projecting. Read up on anything you can find, look at the Divorce/separation threads.

Sorry that was so long, and has become a personal rant. As my therapist would say, I’m still processing a lot of buried emotions.

BlueRibbonPen · 20/10/2022 13:46

Fantastique11 · 20/10/2022 12:53

I suggested the counselling but he said he did it before and it’s a waste of money doing it again. I have hormonal issues. I’m probably not the easiest at times but I have a tendency to take responsibility and I think I have to stop accepting it.

i want to fix things but I can’t live in conflict over small things everyday. Being reminded of mistakes I’ve made. It’s truly awful

Hmmm. If he doesn’t even want to try and make things better it’s never going to improve?

Fantastique11 · 20/10/2022 13:56

Toomanysleepycats · 20/10/2022 13:45

Im older, retired and post menopausal. I effectively ended the marriage, because I was fed up with his controlling and belittling behaviour. I asked for relationship counselling which he rejected, and in a later text he suggested separating.

However, he still blames me for the divorce and says he didn’t “want this”. He is playing the victim and is working madly to present a financial offer which presents as 50/50 but truly isn’t. He had a solicitor but has decided it’s too expensive. This is a man who has probably spent nearly £100,000 on his “hobbies”. Yes that’s £100 thousand fucking pounds!

The narrative is that this is entirely my idea. I think he has forgotten the “let’s separate, we probably should have done this five years ago” text. And you know what? I don’t give a fuck!

He is unfortunately the sort of person who has to always see himself as the good guy. So even if the shoe was on the other foot, he would still turn it so he was the one who was hard done by. And you know what? It doesn’t matter.

So whether your husband is like mine or not, you can’t control how he will present it.

Keep your eyes on the prize and visualise what your life would look like if you divorce. Mine is I’m standing in a kitchen, the back door is open, the sun is pouring in and I’m looking out on a rather scruffy garden, with a couple of elderly cats wandering about. But it’s MY house, MY garden. Thats my dream for what it’s worth.

See a solicitor and hopefully set your mind at rest about the finances.

I know talking to my therapist helped me see how bad my husbands behaviour had been. She confirmed to me it was classed at emotional abuse. Being post menopausal meant I was no longer willing to be someone else’s service human.

Those two facts gave me permission to end the marriage. Everything my STBXH has done since has just cemented it. The reason I had spent at least 8 years previously being unhappy but unable to make a decision was simply because my husband had always told me I was the problem. Once I stopped believing that, my path was clear.

My suggestions:

1)See a solicitor

2)Talk to your therapist. Ask if your husbands behaviour is the reason you have lost your confidence/self esteem. I read that a symptom of this is an inability to make decisions. Yes, that was my problem, in spades.

3)As already suggested, take a step back, observe and “grey rock”.

I want to say to you that you sound like a woman who wants to divorce, but I realise that is me just projecting. Read up on anything you can find, look at the Divorce/separation threads.

Sorry that was so long, and has become a personal rant. As my therapist would say, I’m still processing a lot of buried emotions.

Thanks that’s so helpful. Sounds so like me too. Good for you. It sounds like you are in a better place. I need the courage I think.
when you say 100k ok hobbies? What are they? He did had have sex addiction for a few years and his behaviour is a little obsessive at times with things. I didn’t manage the reveal well and just buried it all. I snapped a couple of years ago and met someone a couple of times. He found out went crazy and it’s all i ever hear. I should have left when I found out the addiction but my kids were very young and I was very confused. To say my life is complicated is an understatement.

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