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Divorce/separation

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Anyone done their own legal work?

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Pegs11 · 23/09/2022 19:52

Hi, has anyone here applied for an amicable financial separation/consent order without using a solicitor?

My husband and I are amicable and are in complete agreement about the financial split, so there is no need for solicitors from that perspective. So I’m wondering if we can just fill out the forms ourselves…It doesn’t look that difficult … anyone done it?

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DancingWithYourDog · 23/09/2022 21:21

Yes I have, a long time ago though. If you agree, it’s pretty straightforward - all the details are on the gov.uk website you just follow the instructions

Pegs11 · 24/09/2022 15:07

@DancingWithYourDog good to know, thank you 😊

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anotherdayanotherpathlesstravelled · 24/09/2022 20:47

Hi there I've posted before also asking about this and also spoke to a solicitor when I got initial advice (and quotes)!

Yes you can apply online for the initial divorce and just pay the fee - it's £593 - you then have to wait 20 weeks

And then you can apply for the final bit - i was just reading up on it yesterday actually! Before the final divorce bit is applied for you have to apply for the consent order - and there is a link on the government website - for a D81 form I think it's called. You fill it in and send it off and a judge reviews if it's fair and then signs it off (or not!)

Now the stumbling block.....I'm the much higher earner with bigger pension pot. At the moment STBEXH is amicable and agreed to split house equity 50/50 and not claim on my pension. I would pick up all our outstanding joint debt - 2 nr loans and a couple of finance agreements for windows etc. a judge may look at it and see neither of us took legal advice and decide it isn't fair (to my STBEXH) and refuse jt.....

My solicitors has said it would better to do a Form E to formerly disclose everything which they then review and advise me if they think it's fair and then draft the consent order but obviously there is a much higher cost for that (but obviously they have a vested interest in getting me to go that route as they obviously get paid £185/hr! Versus £0 if we just do the forms ourselves)

Thing is unless STBEXH has won the lottery and not told me I don't think he's hidden any assets anywhere which is more what Form E is protecting against

So in my view it's worth trying the free option depending on your specific circumstances of assets / likely split etc

Pegs11 · 25/09/2022 16:46

@anotherdayanotherpathlesstravelled Thank you for sharing your experience. I do worry that if my husband doesn’t take legal advice, and then for some reason he later on retracts his agreement on the financial split (which is very much in my favour) then a judge might throw it out and order me to pay him back a percentage. I’ll definitely give it some more thought before I rush into anything!

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Blsp · 25/09/2022 16:50

Even if you do it yourself, a judge reviews and signs off. It won't be thrown out later.

If it is disproportionately in your favour it's possible they might ask him to take legal advice first.

How is it so much in your favour?

creideamhdóchasgrá · 31/10/2022 22:26

Financial Settlement

Re: talking about what a fair split would be, think about whether you both really know what all the assets of the marriage are, and what each of them is worth.

To know what a fair split of assets is, and to reach a financial settlement, divorcing parties need to know what the all assets of the marriage are, and what each asset is worth.

Look at a Form E - when you have some time.

It's a long document in which each party sets out their assets, income, and financial needs. In Form E you can read about the assets that are taken into consideration upon divorce and in the financial settlement aspect, for example property (the former marital home/second homes), pensions, bonds, stocks and shares etc.

Form E also lists the documents needed to show the value of each of these assets for example CETVs (cash equivalent transfer values of pensions - which can be requested from pension providers).
Form E shows what full financial disclosure looks like

To find out what some of the assets are worth an independent expert can be used. Property can be valued by estate agents, pensions by CETV from the pension provider, and / or a pension on divorce expert (PODE) report, and so on.

If the offer is one party keeps the house and the other keeps their pensions, how do the parties know this is fair or 50 / 50 without valuations?
It is important to decide what needs a valuation by an independent expert and factor in the costs of these. The costs can be shared and instructions to the experts can be joint.

Pensions are sometimes overlooked. They can be very valuable – equivalent or more than the value of the former martial home in some cases. Divorcing parties might hold different types of pensions (not like-for-like, so difficult to compare without an expert). Circumstances might be complex for example an age difference or pensions in payment. One party may have stayed at home to look after children. @AnnaMagnani and @silentpool made some useful comment about it on this thread:
www.mumsnet.com/talk/divorce_separation/4664756-what-do-i-need-to-do-about-our-pensions?reply=121093079
A mediator can help. In some cases this is not appropriate - the mediator will advise. Mediators are a cost effective option and it's my (limited) understanding that parties receive a report on what been agreed which they sign (the mediation agreement).
www.familymediationcouncil.org.uk/find-local-mediator/
They say on the site, "Family mediation is a process in which an independent, professionally trained mediator helps you work out arrangements for children and finances following separation".
When splitting the assets of a marriage read about what is taken into consideration here:
www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1973/18/section/25

The income, earning capacity, property, and other financial resource which each of the parties to the marriage has or is likely to have in the foreseeable future.

As I understand it, first consideration is given to the welfare (while a minor) of any child of the family who has not yet attained the age of eighteen.

The needs of each divorcing party are taken into account and as I understand it 50 / 50 is the starting point – so unequal shares based on circumstances and needs is possible, for example 60 / 40.

Advice, Guides and Links
For a free advice session about pensions on divorce and separation go to www.moneyhelper.org.uk/en/family-and-care/divorce-and-separation/divorce-or-dissolution-how-we-can-help-with-your-pension
Free advice line (busy so keep trying) rightsofwomen.org.uk
Guides on divorce and financial settlement (to read when you have time / energy)
www.advicenow.org.uk/guides/how-apply-financial-order-without-help-lawyer

Pensions on divorce information (to read when you have time / energy)
www.sharingpensions.co.uk/penaudit3.htm
www.mediateuk.co.uk/the-ultimate-guide-to-pensions-on-divorce/
www.nuffieldfoundation.org/news/new-good-practice-guide-addresses-shortfall-in-understanding-of-how-to-treat-pensions-on-divorce

Valuation of pensions – pensions on divorce expert report
www.collinspensionactuaries.co.uk no relation – useful website
www.collinspensionactuaries.co.uk/pension-data-collection/ templates for information required

Proper legal advice is needed.
(this is not my profession)
This link gives you an indication of hourly rate for solicitors
www.gov.uk/guidance/solicitors-guideline-hourly-rates
Some organisations offer free advice from solicitors and barristers rightsofwomen.org.uk/get-advice/

On their FAQs page…”Our Legal Officers and Volunteer legal advisors are all solicitors and barristers”.
Some family solicitors offer an in initial free consultation and some a fixed fee rather than hourly.
Some barristers can be directly instructed e.g., via Clerksroom Direct

ArcticSkewer · 31/10/2022 22:32

We got a solicitor to draw up the consent order but did the rest ourselves. There's a lot of companies that do that these days We used one called amicable

Pegs11 · 24/11/2022 17:32

@creideamhdóchasgrá thank you so much for taking the time to write such a thorough reply, and I’m sorry it’s taken me ages to acknowledge it! In the end I decided to use a solicitor to draw up the separation agreement, as I wanted to be super sure that everything was done correctly. It didn’t cost that much in the end - about £750. Worth it for the peace of mind.

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