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9 replies

KimCheese · 10/02/2022 10:52

Hey!

We're trying to sort through pension stuff for our divorce.

When you ask your pension provider for CETV, does it have to be on Form P or can you just request it?

And that's different to the benefit statement.

The way we met means his current pension starts around when we met, and I'll have an equivalent as I started new employment at the same time (think relocation) so we can see if that period including my maternity and part time work period has impacted on my pension. We're ignoring anything before.

FWIW, we earn similar now so alway in a similar wage bracket, only I had the child rearing years which may impact my pension value.

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StartingAgain6369 · 10/02/2022 13:26

Regarding CETV I didn't need form P all parties happy with pension provider statements

Judge at FDR3 wasn't interested in start dates, but was very keen on both parties being secure in retirement

Is there a NHS pension being declared ?

KimCheese · 10/02/2022 16:28

No NHS, one is civil service.

So do you mean just the statements that we get every year/ can request online?

I wasn't clear how they differed.

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Itsybitsydooda · 10/02/2022 22:25

Both my pension providers gave me my cetv's over the phone.
Stbxh's still waiting for his military one to come through, up to 20 working days apparently!! We've already agreed to not touch each others pensions so Im a tad annoyed as its holding up the decree absolute.

KimCheese · 11/02/2022 07:09

Ah okay! The Form P made it look so complicated, so it's just a figure?

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CrunchTime22 · 11/02/2022 10:21

Are both public sector pensions? If one is Civil service and the other private it can be tricky to compare. The civil service pension will include benefits such as a spouses pension which may be undervalued.

Also, there was never any discussion of pensions or anything indeed before or after marriage. All went in the marital assets pot.

KimCheese · 11/02/2022 17:15

Ah just the one is civil service.

The reason I'm looking at it is we've spit everything 50/50 so far, but my solicitor advised to look at the pensions because that's where we might find an imbalance due to me taking time out of my career to raise the family (working part time).

Let's see what it throws up and if either of us can make head nor tail of it!

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ResponsetoOPpensions · 09/02/2023 18:51

Pensions can be very valuable – equivalent or more than the value of the former martial home in some cases. Divorcing parties might hold different types of pensions (not like-for-like, so difficult to compare without an expert). Circumstances might be complex for example an age difference or pensions in payment. One party may have stayed at home to look after children. You Depending on where you live in the UK and the circumstances, it may be possible to include all pensions accrued by both parties?

It is important to get a valuation of pensions. It is worth getting a report from an actuary. This is called a Pensions on Divorce Expert (PODE) report and often well worth the money - so budgeting this in early may be important.

Advice on pensions on divorce and separation.
These offer a free advice session about pensions on divorce and separation www.moneyhelper.org.uk/en/family-and-care/divorce-and-separation/divorce-or-dissolution-how-we-can-help-with-your-pension
Free advice line (busy so keep trying) rightsofwomen.org.uk

Guides on divorce and financial settlement
www.advicenow.org.uk/guides/how-apply-financial-order-without-help-lawyer

Pensions on divorce
www.sharingpensions.co.uk/penaudit3.htm
www.mediateuk.co.uk/the-ultimate-guide-to-pensions-on-divorce/
www.nuffieldfoundation.org/news/new-good-practice-guide-addresses-shortfall-in-understanding-of-how-to-treat-pensions-on-divorce

Valuation of pensions – pensions on divorce expert report
www.collinspensionactuaries.co.uk no relation – useful website
www.collinspensionactuaries.co.uk/pension-data-collection/ templates for information required

In case needed...

There are 2 aspects to divorce - Divorce and Financial Settlement
When settling financially, it is best to make informed decisions based on full and frank disclosure and with access to the best documentary evidence and any important expert reports that can be afforded.

Has Full and frank disclosure been reached?
To know what a fair split of assets is and to reach a financial settlement divorcing parties need to know what the assets of the marriage are, and what each asset is worth.

Check out Form E - what does full and frank disclosure look like?
Look at a Form E. A long document in which each party sets out their assets, income, and financial needs. You can see in it the assets that are taken into consideration upon divorce and financial settlement, for example property (the former marital home), pensions, stocks and shares etc. It also lists the documents needed that show the value of assets for example CETVs (cash equivalent transfer values of pensions - which can be requested from pension providers).

Full and frank financial disclosure is required and usually provided when Form E is exchanged.
If after Form E there is missing information / evidence Questionnaires may be exchanged to retrieve it.
If still missing after that Deficiencies are exchanged.
A solicitor’s letter can be sent to retrieve financial information evidence.
A Court Order can also be applied for to gain financial information / evidence / valuations that is missing / essential.

What is a fair split of assets? What to take into account.
When splitting the assets of a marriage…
www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1973/18/section/25 applies
images.ctfassets.net/o8luwa28k6k2/2cpp2mEMwBJWJLuzTiTruB/b5397e7459154fad8927826a2c99acdd/section-25-expert-guide.pdf

The income, earning capacity, property, and other financial resource which each of the parties to the marriage has or is likely to have in the foreseeable future is taken into account.

First consideration is given to the welfare (while a minor) of any child of the family who has not yet attained the age of eighteen.

The needs of each divorcing party are taken into account and as I understand it 50 / 50 is the starting point – so unequal shares based on circumstances and needs is possible, for example 60 / 40.

www.advicenow.org.uk/tags/separation-divorce-and-dissolution-civil-partnerships

Do get full and frank disclosure before making agreements.
Do look after the old(er) woman you will become, financially.

Busbygirl · 14/02/2023 17:32

Absolutely agree with above post. We got a pensión actuary at great expense £3k.
I didn’t think our pensions were worth much but wow was it worth the expense and time. My solicitor insisted it was worth it.
Because I worked p/t while we had young children , my ExH now has to pay a large amount to offset the pension I missed out on. By large amount I mean much much larger than the CETV amount given for his pension.

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