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Desperately unhappy, toxic, no money & he won’t try or leave!

23 replies

Mummyof320 · 30/10/2021 18:47

Please help me!!! I am desperately after some advice, guidance and help.

This is a long one so if you bear with me and offer some advice - thank you!

My H and I have been married nearly 5 years and together 12years. We have 3 lovely children (2xDs 1xS) who I’m very concerned are getting damaged by the horrendous toxic environment…

We have been unhappy for a while and have been through some challenging times (my mother suffering BC, myself being made redundant just before telling my employers I was expecting (no.3), financial strain due to lockdown and myself stressed with all of the above whilst home schooling during lockdown, with a toddler, difficult pregnancy and ZERO help from H).

The marriage has really broken down (we’ve had ups and downs previously but I’ve never felt this, like it’s beyond repair). Ultimately, he doesn’t want to be around me, do anything with me, or even be in the same rooms as me. His actions are a proven fact of this. He sleeps in a different room, either choosing a mattress on the floor of one child’s room (said child doesn’t sleep well, but I feel this is made worse by H sleeping in child’s room), or sleeps in other child’s room in bed. We had a spare bed up for a while (for a family member who stayed for a few weeks) and he chose to sleep in that too, before and after them, while available. He takes himself to bed at 8-8.30pm every evening, going to bed when he puts one of the children to bed (never the baby). The only time he stays up past this time is if he goes out to the pub with his friends or if he goes to play sports.

There is no affection, no sex, and he is not interested in spending any time alone with me (apart from ignoring me every single evening) on the few occasions we have gone out for dinner, he invites someone else to join. We have gone out for lunch with the children twice in 6 months and he spends the whole time talking to them or on his phone, despite my desperate attempts to initiate conversation. He never communicates with me, he just comes in and out of the house as he pleases. Telling me he’s playing sports tonight or tomorrow big he. He says if I want to go out it has to be on x night, as he has plans on a, b, c etc.

He will often eat in a different room or ask me to, and at times tries to get me to eat upstairs. He tries to get me to “lie in” in the mornings so he basically feels less guilty about me being downstairs every evening, tidying, cleaning, ironing, making packed lunches etc while he is asleep.

He doesn’t hold any conversations with me,
So I never know any family news, or what’s going on with work, or just anything. When I ask he says I’m controlling.

Every weekend he goes out to play sport each day and helps with the kids either side. But we never do Anything as a family.

He is always on his phones (work and private) and will neglect to make eye contact with myself or the children when on his phone. He rarely answers my calls or texts.

Aside from feeling totally alone, whilst living together, and emotionally and physically neglected, we are also on complete different parenting paths.

I have become the “Badie” the one who insists on rules. He lets them watch what they want, gives them devices all day long - I mean endless hours of YouTube (despite always questioning what I do with them and saying I’m not stimulating them enough), he doesn’t play or interact with them for more than an hour of the day, he gives them lunch at say 10.30am because he is making breakfast for himself and he doesn’t want to make food twice in one day, he will give them the same dinner every night, he will play hide and seek just before bed, which stops my S going to sleep because the Ds are screaming, playing with daddy. When I ask for this not to happen and explain daily that bath time and thereafter is about winding down before bedtime, I get told “they’re having fun”, ultimately implying I am the fun police. He will give them chocolate and sweets and ice cream all day long (no exaggeration at all). Even spoonfuls of Nutella to the toddler every morning Hmm
I am the one that does the homework and the reading with the eldest, I even taught her to ride a bike, because he couldn’t be bothered “it was too hard”, he actually went to the pub, while I taught D with a toddler and baby in tow. Everything I say no to, H says yes to. On top of this he will often make the children stay up late so he can goto bed with them. He used to keep the eldest (7yrs) up until 10-10.30pm so he could go to bed when putting D to bed. I have tried my absolute best to put a stop to these late nights, hence why it is now 9.30pm, which I still feel is too late.

There’s so much more. But the result is a really unhappy wife, and an unhappy home, with lots of arguing as I just feel like a total doormat. I have tried talking, he doesn’t listen, I try screaming he doesn’t listen, so I say nothing. But I’m back to screaming/arguing which is so unhealthy for me and the children.

I’ve told him I’m unhappy, and he always has an excuse: “children are hard, it’s a difficult age, we should of never had 3 kids,
3 kids have destroyed us, lockdowns been hard, covid has been difficult, I’m tired etc etc”. But the actions are always the same. He said he would make marriage counselling appointment, but months later still hasn’t, apparently he doesn’t have time. But he does have time to play sports for 1-2hrs a day every day, get his hair cut, meet his friend for coffee, spend 4 hours with his mum etc etc. He says he needs his own time, his job is stressful. But he has still not made any effort to fix any of the issues outlined above. He just tells me “we’re really different people and we have really different parenting”

So I have said we should separate. He tells me that’s stupid, that I have nothing, that I have nothing without him, that I can’t support myself, (I’m a SAHM until Feb when I plan to find a job), and worse that I couldn’t cope with the 3 on my own (even though I do everyday. He tells me I’m annal and difficult, that I need to smile and lighten up. The problem is I just feel I can’t lighten up, because I pick everything up that he doesn’t do. I basically feel like an unpaid nanny. There to look after the children at his beck and call.

I have asked him to leave and he refuses. He tells me It’s his home, why should he leave. I actually put the same amount of deposit in and have worked on and off (he usually tells me I need to work as the money isn’t coming in (he is in sales), and then when I work full time, tells me, it’s not working, it’s too hard, I need to stop working. He also says that He has nowhere to go (even though he has family locally with lots of room). I’ve asked for a trial separation and he just says we need to work on things.

So where do I go from here? I feel like it’s fully run it’s course, but am I giving up to easily? How can I stop this damaging the children? Their behaviour is already changing Confused. If we separate, How can I survive financially? I couldn’t afford to keep the house, I won’t be able to even pay the nursery fees, but I will have money from the house sale, which I think means I am not entitled to much help from the government. He has already told me not to expect him to help. I keep trying to call CABS, but he works from a cafe or home, and when he’s out he comes home all the time, so I can never guarantee a time without a child or him in earshot.

Any advice and guidance is really appreciated.

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FortunesFave · 31/10/2021 07:08

Don't call CAB contact Women's Aid through their website. This does sound like abuse. They have a service where they will advise on email rather than the phone....or there's live chat too. Here..
chat.womensaid.org.uk/

MzHz · 31/10/2021 07:24

I didn’t think Abuse when I read this, I just read crap husband @FortunesFave. Why are you thinking it is?

In any event CAB is a good shot, anyone to hear you @Mummyof320, do you have any family you can confide in?

LargeProsecco · 31/10/2021 07:36

Mine was exactly like that too; refused to engage in family life, left all the work to me, would not make any changes when I told him I was unhappy & refused to move out once we separated.

In all honesty, I would not bother engaging further in discussion with him (you'll be giving him all your power & he doesn't co-operate anyway).

I'd just focus on getting some legal advice & a job.

With young kids, I'd focus on getting through Xmas & have plans in place for the new year.

He is

Curioushorse · 31/10/2021 07:40

I'd say hang on until February if you can, because when you can get a job you'll be in a much better position. But, yes, I would be looking for a divorce in that situation. It doesn't sound great for any of you.

VanCleefArpels · 31/10/2021 07:51

You can do online chat with CAB or email and someone will call you back. There’s lots of information on their website too about how to end a marriage.

You could do a benefits check on Turn2Us to establish what you would be entitled to as a single person with children. Look up what a typical rent for a 2 bed property in your area would be to enter into the checker. This gives a ballpark on your financial situation. You are right that any lump sum from the sake of the house will impact your entitlement but that won’t happen for a while.

Can you engineer a solo trip to the supermarket? If so you could pop in to your council housing office and start talking to them about going in the housing register and what options might be available to you should you become homeless (ie leave)- I know “homeless” is a scary word but it’s worth having that conversation as you will hopefully be reassured that you do have options.

Mummyof320 · 31/10/2021 09:11

@FortunesFave.. Although I feel there is manipulation and elements of control. I don’t really feel like it is Abuse. Thank you for your advice though.

@MzHz yes I do have one person that I have been confiding in. It’s just hard to know where to turn and what to do. My biggest worry is protecting the children and financially surviving.

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Mummyof320 · 31/10/2021 09:14

@LargeProsecco that’s what I had been thinking. But honestly it is so hard. I’m disrespected in front of the children all the time, saying things like “what do you want, you can have it, daddy will get it for you, daddy will buy it for you, you can have this” and “can you go out, your annoying me”. I feel like the children are being turned against me, because I won’t let them eat cupcakes at 7.30am!! It’s so hard being the “baddie” alllll the time.

How did you survive and did you already have a job to go to?

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PermanentTemporary · 31/10/2021 09:16

I agree it doesn't sound abusive but it does sound like he has checked out and you are now bringing out the worst in each other. I try not to jump to 'leave' but tbh you both might be happier apart. If you could live fairly close together that does seem to make a huge difference to the kids iknow whose parents have split.

Any reason to wait until Feb to get a job? The job market isn't bad right now too. I'd get legal advice pronto.

HELPNEEDHELP12398765 · 31/10/2021 09:28

You will be able to cope despite what he says, as a single mum you will find that you are stronger than you ever imagined that you could be.

In terms of finances, you will be able to claim universal credit until you sell the house. If you are working you will get help with childcare costs, you can get help for upto 85% of the costs. once you have sold the house and have the money in your account you won't be able to claim though.

Mummyof320 · 31/10/2021 09:32

That’s what I am thinking @Curioushorse it’s just so hard to stay in this hell hole.

@VanCleefArpels thank you. I will take a look at that. Do you know if I can still apply for the housing register if I will get money from the house sale? Or do you mean, leave the family home and become “homeless”, because this is an option ahead of selling the house in the divorce through solicitors? Will they look at assets I have and request those to be sold first for housing? I can sell my car, but what I understand is that everything goes into the marital pot, so if I could hold onto it after the divorce then that would better the children and myself. I have considered moving away to be with family, but I understand that I cannot do this without his permission?

It’s just all so infuriating because he could easily keep us in the house, and is set to inherit 6-7 figures in the future, but would clearly give us no option other than to struggle and be miserable.

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VanCleefArpels · 31/10/2021 09:36

The housing register is not income dependant - they will look at your immediate needs for housing and your overall situation. It could take a long time to sell your house (or even longer if your husband does not agree and legal proceedings are required). I’d go and have a chat and explain your current situation. Some councils will help with a deposit for a private rental for example

VanCleefArpels · 31/10/2021 09:38

You can move to family but obviously if that impacts access frequency then your husband might take legal advice. You don’t need to ask permission ahead of time.

bluebell34567 · 31/10/2021 09:52

contact womens aid with chat or phone asap.
dont wait anylonger.
you will survive dont worry. anything is better than this situation.

Mummyof320 · 31/10/2021 10:11

@VanCleefArpels thank you. I will speak to them and see what options are available. Do you know if they would help with rent until I am employed, or do you think this is better done once in employment?

Moving would impact frequency and o don’t want to stop him seeing them. They love him dearly and him them, he just can’t seem to responsibly parent…

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VanCleefArpels · 31/10/2021 10:13

Until you are employed you can claim UC (assuming you don’t have £16k plus of cash or other assets). This will include an element to cover most if not all of your rent. That’s why I suggested you do a benefits check using a notional rent figure for a 2 bed property in your area (look on Rightmove) to see what you would be entitled to

HELPNEEDHELP12398765 · 31/10/2021 10:17

@VanCleefArpels

Until you are employed you can claim UC (assuming you don’t have £16k plus of cash or other assets). This will include an element to cover most if not all of your rent. That’s why I suggested you do a benefits check using a notional rent figure for a 2 bed property in your area (look on Rightmove) to see what you would be entitled to
Can you claim towards rent though if you own a house even if you don't live in it?
VanCleefArpels · 31/10/2021 10:43

Capital in the home can be disregarded for the purpose of UC for 6 moths plus, the aim being to give time to sell the home after a separation.

Premises ceased to be occupied
H2114 Where a person has ceased to occupy premises as their home following estrangement from their former partner, those premises can be disregarded from the calculation of that person’s capital where

  1. the person has ceased to occupy those premises within the past 6 months or
  2. the person’s former partner is a lone parent and occupies the premises as their home1.
Note: The disregard in 2 applies for as long as the conditions are satisfied and is not restricted to 6 months. 1 UC Regs, Sch 10, para 5
nurserypolitics · 31/10/2021 10:51

I think you need to focus your energy on planning a separation/divorce.

how much equity is in the home?How much would DH have to provide in child support - would he push for 50/50? Would that be likely/possible?

I think you need to talk to a solicitor: the fact you're not currently working does at least establish you've been the primary carer. I also think you need to get benefits advise to get a realistic idea of what will come. You may have the face the reality of staying in the house while you divorce. But it sounds like step one is getting practical info. Is he never alone with all 3? Is there someone you could trust to watch them for two hours if you book a solicitor appointment/in-person citizens advice?

I think now is the time to factor him out of the equation: he'll continue to behave how he has been, he'll likely get worse once he knows you're serious. But you need cold hard facts about the likely scenarios before you can put a plan together.

Cleopatricia · 13/11/2021 09:33

The abusive element here is how he has trapped you. It's a horrible, horrible feeling. I have been there and still am here to a degree. He doesn't want you, he doesn't want to work with you as a team, but he won't let you move on either.

The shouting You're doing, although not good for the children, is your fighting spirit coming through. Punching your way out of the cage he's put you in.

I've focused all my energy on planning and making the most of the positives of still being here. I now have a job with more hours so I should be able to support us after the new year. I saw a solicitor. Whilst we have enough money coming in, I see a counsellor monthly which is my saviour. She also helps me see things clearly. I also have skin treatments now which I won't be able to afford post separation that I've wanted for years. I go to a health club too, which keeps me sane. I'm working on building up my support network for when its finally over too. Do things now that make you feel more in control, start making goals and get advice.

Trapping you into misery like this is abuse.

blackcurrantjam · 15/11/2021 14:10

He's horrible to you. Whether it's abuse or not I don't know. But he's awful.
But.
Stay in the house.
Boundary up. Try and detach.
See a solicitor.
Get finances in order. Do you have any savings? Do you know passwords for internet banking / mortgages. Learn your situation. Are you on the mortgage/deeds. How much equity is there?
File for divorce.
Apply for UC.
Make sure child benefit in your name.
You will have much more influence over your children once you are divorced.
Consider finding a job.
Mobilize all the support you can, financially and otherwise. It'll likely get worse before it gets better.
Stay in the house.

blackcurrantjam · 15/11/2021 14:11

You can apply for UC with money in a property as long as it's your only one. When/if you sell, they will disregard it for say six months while you sell/buy/downsize.

MumE78 · 16/11/2021 15:17

Call the National abuse helpline

I didn't realise I was being emotionally abused, I just thought everything was my fault, I was causing everything bad.

If your not sure just call them, either way they'll offer great advice.

My Dr referred me to a social prescriber, they really do help you!

Hope your finding a away through this x

Blendiful · 16/11/2021 18:41

Does sound like emotional abuse and possibly financial abuse also. However this can be difficult to prove for other purposes (doesn’t make it any less real though). So womens aid is a good start.

Don’t leave the house as you will be homeless but intentionally homeless so don’t do this without getting advice first (from womens aid) unless you are going to family or to rent somewhere you can stay indefinitely until the house is sold.

You can claim UC when living in the same house if seperated but you have to jump through some hoops of showing you are seperated. I wouldn’t argue with him about it anymore though. Would simply tell him you are seeking advice for a divorce, he can say no all he likes, doesn’t stop you doing it.

It won’t be nice to live there in this situation though, so if family is an option I would look at that. He can seek legal advice for the children being away b it if you’ve spoke to womens aid about the abuse this helps you too, as your reason for needing to leave now and to move away with the children. If nothing else it might make him realise how serious you are.

If he seeks legal advice and is successful at getting you to come back you may have to move back into the home though so bear that in mind.

First step is to speak to womens aid I think and go from there/. They will be a big help for you.

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