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freeatlast2021 · 10/08/2021 20:30

I have recently separated from my husband, he moved out on Aug 1. Some may recognize me as I posted other threads under a different name, but I thought this new era, I just entered, calls for a different name. 😊

We have been together over twenty five years, have three kids, mostly grown up but living with us and I initiated separation. My ex (sounds so strange to say this), has never physically assaulted me, is a good dad (better when kids were younger though), did a thing or two around the house, never cheated on me (as far as I know), does not drink or gamble. He was however, very controlling, especially in the financial area, critical, impossible to talk to, would become offensive when I would try and address a problem and then “punish” me with days of silent treatment. I am by nature a people pleaser and tend to avoid conflict so eventually I stopped brining issues to him as I was so anxious and worried that this would upset him and we would enter a period of not talking and communicating. When there would be something I had to talk to him I would feel nervous, anxious and flat out intimidated. I told him this once and his comment was, “funny, someone at work told me the same thing”. I could not tell if this worried him or impressed him that he was intimidating to other people, but he did not further comment nor did he apologize. I would say that he has narcissistic traits. He has very high opinion of himself, thinks he is always right, knows the best, works the most and would often mock and put down people including me. In a nutshell, he has a very difficult personality and I could never get used to it.

Over the years, I had become unhappy, uncomfortable in our relationship and started feeling resentful of him. We did resume intimacy, but this was very difficult for me because in order to be intimate with someone I had to love and respect him and I had to be happy and relaxed, none of which I had been for a very long time. What hurt the most maybe was that he was not respectful of me, did not appreciate all I did for our family, did not care about my feelings and was apparently unaware that I was not happy. When I finally worked up the courage to talk to him, last year before Covid hit, he appeared to be surprised. He said he new we had issues but did not realize it was “that bad”. I offered him couples’ therapy which he refused (not comfortable talking to strangers about his personal problems), so I started alone. This was for the best, because therapy truly helped me clarify some things, what it is that is going on, how I feel and what I want. My therapist also told me that what I was going through was abuse, emotional and financial. I realized soon after that I did not want to work on this marriage, that I did not want to live with my husband any more, that I wanted to continue my life journey without him. We muddled trough the pandemic and in April of this year, I told him I wanted to separate.

Separation was hard. Those three months of us living under the same roof were torture. I know that some people live like that for long time, but for me this was hard. We tried to communicate but it was very strained and I felt so anxious, like never before. Although I know that I am doing the right thing, I felt so guilty and often literally sick. I would wake up anxious and go to bed anxious, it was nightmare. The day he moved out was the hardest. I wanted to help but he did not want my help, so kids helped out a little. Then he was gone. I was glad that it was finally over but the first few days were hard. Thinking of him alone in that strange apartment, tending to himself, no one to talk to (kids have stayed with me), I could not help but feel guilty. Pain was killing me, but it is getting better. Today is day 10 and I feel much calmer and more confident, less anxious and I can tell that I started feeling the weight being lifted off my chest. I do not have to face his criticism any more, I do not have to ask for his approval any more, I can do what I want and face the consequences of my actions on my own. I am FREE! Hence my username. However, I can tell that this new era will bring other issues, especially with kids, and I am already worried.

Please share here, your own stories of separation/divorce.

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gogohm · 10/08/2021 20:46

Firstly hugs, everyone needs one even if you initiated.

Secondly it's going to be ok, a new normal, it takes some adjustment but you are starting the rest of your life.

My advice is to keep talking, try and ensure you still allow the kids to have both their parents at important events etc it really helps them

And lastly, get back out there and enjoy yourself Grin. Honestly I had no idea 2 years ago but just months after separating I met dp and it's amazing, a whole new life!

freeatlast2021 · 10/08/2021 21:05

@gogohm thank you for posting. Yes, I would want to be "friendly" with my ex, but so far he has been non responsive. He does contact me when he needs help though, lol. The other day he asked me if I would hem his curtains. Shock However, the problem I am seeing is this. He said he did not want to have a schedule for seeing kids, (only one of them is underage), he said "kids can see him when they want". I knew exactly what will happen. So far, kids have not been interested much, so he complains that they are ignoring him. To make the matters worse, the youngest (16yo) who is actually making most effort gets the worst of it. Every time she goes to see him (he moved in the same apartment complex) he complains to her how "nobody" cares to contact him or see him. Instead of enjoying her visit and praising her for making an effort. He is really selfish and does not think about her feelings. I see now that this may be a problem because, so far I could "protect" the kids from him when he lived in the house but now I have no control over what he says and does. Sad

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PurpleNebula84 · 10/08/2021 22:00

Wow! Sounds like you were married to my STBX - Those are the exact same reasons I have decided to end things, but thankfully only after nearly 6 years together. Trying to discuss anything has made me anxious, he is always right or it is in someway my fault, I'm imagining it or I'm mental! We're both in the process of buying somewhere new (no divorce as never married and it is just my house thankfully)... I can't wait for him to go! The only thing now is to sort out child contact and he's wanting 50/50 - barely looks after our child, so I suspect it's more to do with not paying maintenance 🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️
Congratulations on being free at last!

freeatlast2021 · 11/08/2021 05:20

@PurpleNebula84 thank you. I hope you too cross over to the other side soon. It is definitely more pleasant. Every time I see my ex these days I shudder. He is so grumpy and negative and sulking always. I love life and am rediscovering its wonders, one day at the time.

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Mintjulia · 11/08/2021 05:51

I left my ex when ds was 3. I still remember the relief of not being constantly undermined. I could cook a meal and eat it without being told how he would have done it so much better. I could cook something new and not be sneered at. I could have the radio on without him turning it off because it was 'wasting electricity', I could dance with my 3yo in the kitchen, and make noise and paint the walls happy colours and open windows on sunny days.
Despite always trying to erase any sign of my existence from his house, when we left, he tried to come with us. Confused. He kept asking to come and stay. When he was on business in our area, he expected free B&B. And then he got very angry and resentful when I said no, and tried to starve us back by refusing to contribute to ds' upkeep, and telling me I'd never manage on my own.
The best thing, still is sitting in the garden on warm evenings with a glass of wine and music playing and just relaxing, with absolutely no feeling of pressure or frustration Smile The little things are the best.
I'm so pleased for you Brew Cake

CheeseyMcCheeseface · 11/08/2021 06:00

Well done to you! It sounds like your youngest will vote with their feet soon anyway, the freedom to do what ever you want without judgment! My friends said they had the old me back.

I still catch myself when I buy clothes that I know he would have ridiculed me for wearing.

ShippingNews · 11/08/2021 06:07

, I would want to be "friendly" with my ex, but so far he has been non responsive

Don't expect this to happen any time soon. Since your children are grown, you don't have any issues with visitation etc so you need to leave him alone if possible. You both need to start making new lives as individuals, not to immediately become "friendly" , it doesn't work that way.

I was similar to you - married 30 years, adult kids still living with us, I initiated the separation. I got sucked into the "we can be friends" thing and lived to regret it, since he then tried to manufacture reasons for us to meet, which blurred the boundaries .

Once I figured out how to "do separation", I stopped agreeing to seeing him at all, since there was no reason for us to meet. Our kids were old enough to go and see him when they felt like it, and I kept right out of their relationships with him.

I lived free for the first time in a long time, and really appreciated not having his constant presence in my life . I never regretted what I'd done, it was the best decision ever.

The only time I see him is at family functions , and once when he had a heart attack and I took my son to visit . That's it ! I feel like a new woman these days.

Just take it one day at a time and make a new life - don't stay stuck in that old rut that you've been in because you want to be friends with him. You both need a fresh start.

freeatlast2021 · 11/08/2021 06:26

@Mintjulia and I am so happy for you. You see people often think that you have to be beaten up in order to be unhappy in a marriage but that is not necessarily true. All these little things that you mentioned add up. Death by a thousand cuts, right? I just saw my ex, he stopped by. He was here for only few minutes, but complaining the whole time, work issues and such. I could not wait for him to leave so that I can go back to sipping my beer and watching some random series on TV, enjoying a quiet evening at home without his negative energy and drama.

@CheeseyMcCheeseface I think it will take some time before I get him out of my head. I constantly hear myself questioning my choices and realizing it is him, still stuck in my head.
@ShippingNews I know, you are right. I think it is mostly the guilt that I feel for initiating separation, but also, I am a nice person and want to make things work. However, I already see that he is using it. Only ten days in and I am doing him favors while he does not even respond to my text letting him know his kids are ok. The other day he asked me if I would mind hemming his curtains. I was really surprised that he would ask me that. I almost said yes, but instead offered to lend him my sawing machine. Thank you for your advice and enjoy your life.

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Sweetie1980 · 11/08/2021 06:40

Hi, I submitted a petition via gov net but I will need to use a solicitor for the other stages , children and finances . I am a Sahm , working part time ( trying to get more hours but only 10-15 at he moment ) DH has always left everything to me but is now demanding 50/50 , he is very verbally abusive and I really don’t think this is best for the kids , he has been working at home since covid but has always said he doesn’t have time to deal with them but will decrease his work ( he is on daily rate so I don’t know how ) has anyone been through similar ? I am so worried .

Sweetie1980 · 11/08/2021 06:42

Sorry I didn’t mean to post this here

onthinice · 11/08/2021 06:54

Congratulations on your new freedom! This is the best decision you ever made, well done on taking that step!

It takes a long time to get them out of your head. But it does happen eventually. Give yourself time and be patient with yourself, at first you will feel like a shell that you don't know, like you can't think your own thoughts with being confident it is actually what you think or feel, and not his influence after so many years. But you'll get there. Make plans, do things you like to do, meet friends, make changes to the home that you always were too worried to ask about when you lived under his iron fist.

You can be friendly with him but he is not your friend. There are so many other people out there who deserve your love and who love you and respect you, don't waste your time helping someone as disrespectful and unkind to you as him. I don't just mean romantic relationships (if you're anything like me you'll want plenty of time to be free and find yourself again before bothering with that sort of thing 😅) but friends, family, colleagues, you are loved and cared about by many people I'm sure.

gogohm · 11/08/2021 12:12

It took about a year for the contact to settle, no arrangements because of covid and them being 18+ dd2 carried on making an effort, dd1 didn't see or return her dads calls for nearly a year but she's past that now and has even met his dp and her dd. Both girls took my side which of course caused a bit of tension but they have seen that he has been very generous financially, that we still get on well and I'm happy (new serious relationship likely to be permanent if I got round to finalising my divorce Blush)

freeatlast2021 · 11/08/2021 15:48

@onthinice Thank you for stopping by and sharing your wisdom with me. No way, at this point in time, last thing I want is another one of "them". I am sure that there are some amazing guys out there but I feel like I am done with coupling. I want to hang out with me for a while. Get to know me better. Grin

@gogohm I am glad that you are in your happy place now and I hope I will get there soon.. For now it is all so fresh and raw. I am taking it one day at the time

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Chocobuns · 11/08/2021 21:31

I could have written this post ! Though still under the same roof (its been many months), waiting for DN and trying to sort finances and children via solicitors.
Its really really hard so far and I wish things moved faster to regain calmness. Keep going and stay strong Smile

freeatlast2021 · 11/08/2021 21:42

@Chocobuns I know that some people do this for years, but for me the three months were very hard. Hang in there, hopefully it will be over soon.

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blackcurrantjam · 11/08/2021 23:47

Omg you sound in your OP that you're describing my ex. Or who became. I was sahm. The criticism. The silent treatment. The abject lack of value for me or my contribution to the family. The frustration. The trying to explain what it felt like to him and him just having absolutely zero empathy. It got worse as time went on Confused. I watched Sam vaknin on YouTube on narcissism and I know that gets thrown around a lot these days but I can't tell you the feeling of dawning horror as I watched it and listened to him describing my ex. And I thought then omg I have to get out. I felt utterly trapped as I knew nothing I said would matter anyway. It was the most awful thing. I was in therapy and she told me a couple of things I could say to him when arguments would escalate - I would end up being called mental. So I just did that for weeks, months even, so the arguments died because I changed tack but it had this really odd effect of destabilising him. It was like he needed me to be the mental one, and once I wasn't, I don't know, it just changed the dynamic. He ended up leaving. The day he left was like someone switched the lights on. It was the hardest six months of my life, like crawling out of a hole. But I'm a couple of years down the line now and I can't tell you how brilliant it is. Life's not easy, but not loving with put downs and criticism and control is amazing. I'm poor but I'm free. My children are younger so that is a nightmare as he has them 50/50 but as long as I boundary boundary boundary it's ok.

You've got this Flowers. It'll get better and better xx

freeatlast2021 · 12/08/2021 00:57

@blackcurrantjam I am really sorry that you had to go through all this but I am glad you are out. Many people stay thinking it is better but it is not, that is not the kind of life worth living. I have allways worked, and I also have more education then my ex but it was not enough. He would not say it in that many words, but I could tell he meant my degree was worthless and my job was nothing compared to his. He would brag about his responsibilities, the amount of work, the difficulty of his job, OMG you would think he worked in a mine. He definitely though his work was more important and that I had to substitute, by doing other staff around the house, kids etc b/c my work was so easy. So for years I would do most of the work around the house, dropping and picking up kids, meetings in our coop. If I would ask him he would either say, "wow, do I have to do it on my day off?", or "I just got back from work". I mean, mind blowing. If he had to do something on his day off he would be so mad, while I always sacrificed most of my weekend doing chores, cleaning, shopping, taking kids to extracurricular activities.

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Chocobuns · 12/08/2021 08:50

@freeatlast2021 literally walking on eggshells, my health is suffering now, got my first councelling session today hoping with time it'll help, i can totally relate to the degree matter too, it would get mocked all the time...following Caroline Strawson and a few things have been put into perspective

Purplewithred · 12/08/2021 08:59

Just yesterday in the office, talking about time passing and the pandemic etc, I said “god, I can hardly remember that I was married to my XDH for over 18 years”. The 5+ years after we separated were better but still pretty shitty and he still dominated my life.

But now 10+ years down the line, kids well grown up, we are both happily remarried and I don’t think have spoken for over a year. My life is completely elsewhere. It’s lovely.

My advice to myself looking back would be to not let him dominate the early years after separation. But it’s hard to completely change your relationship after that time. And I shouldn’t have wasted money trying to get divorced, separation was what mattered. But whatever, I’m very happy now and my life is lovely.

freeatlast2021 · 12/08/2021 22:19

@Chocobuns and @Purplewithred thank you for chiming in. Yes, I know I should stop thinking about him and start looking forward. However, I constantly find myself wonder what he is doing, how he is. I just want him to be ok. Feeling better every day though. I just told two of our very good friends and feel so much better for it too. I hate hiding things and am looking forward to seeing them again as we kind of stopped for a while since, the separation.

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Chocobuns · 13/08/2021 08:24

@Purplewithred 'My advice to myself looking back would be to not let him dominate the early years after separation. But it’s hard to completely change your relationship after that time'
That is great advice and one I will be taking onboard.
@freeatlast2021 thats the trauma bond talking , look at narcissistic abuse and it'll make sense. Went to my meeting yesterday and kept talking about STBXH and DC (been caring for everyone for two decades - hard habit to break), she stopped me and said 'as from next time we only talk about you, no one else' and she set me a task to do something no matter how small that doesnt revolve around others, I think it's her way to get me to start looking forward. Could you do something just for you that pauses those thoughts? Seeing your friends will be great !

freeatlast2021 · 13/08/2021 16:15

@Chocobuns Great comment. I was at my session the other day and I noticed that I constantly talk about my ex. My therapist did not say anything but I noticed she was looking at me in a strange way and thought to myself, "she probably is wondering why I still talk about him now that he is out of the house.".

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Mummykins54 · 14/08/2021 13:40

Goodness - I could have written that post! I have been married for 23 years together for 27 - he moved out 4 weeks ago. We stayed in the same house for 9 months and he didn't breath a word to me - it was torture.

He was very controlling and like you would go into moods for days and give me the silent treatment and then I would try and apologise for things that were not my fault!

I have to admit I am struggling even though he did not treat me well and was verbally abusive. I have been conditioned for years. Apparently its called trauma bonding according to a counsellor that I see.

I guess I am grieving for what could have been - who wants to start over at aged 55 but I hope that you ladies can tell me that it does get better.

I am glad that you feel free - I still need to get to that stage so hope it will come soon.

I have just started a great book called Get Divorced, Be Happy: How Becoming Single Turned Out to be My Happily Ever After by Helen Thorn. I can recognise so much of what see writes and would recommend it.

freeatlast2021 · 14/08/2021 15:34

@Mummykins54 welcome the the thread. It does feel better to hear other people stories. Yours does look so similar to mine. It is a wonder how people survive in an unhappy marriage for so long. I look back and wonder, where did the time go, where did the years go? How did I manage for this long? I guess, one day at the time. Put one foot in front of the other. I think part of my problem was that my dad was very abusive to my mom. However he was different then my ex. While my ex's abuse was subtle, sophisticated in a way, my dad's was aggressive. Lots of yelling and screaming and cursing and some physical abuse. So, I guess, I though mine was not so bad. In fact, I could not even name it, I could not even explain what it is that my ex is doing that was bothering me, I just felt unhappy and unwell and violated somehow. That is why I did not even talk about it, to anyone, did not know how. I kept thinking, "If my mom could survive that torture, I should suck it up. This is nothing." It was not until I got into therapy that I learned that there are all kinds of abuse. Also, as one other poster told me her councilor told her: "You don't need to justify why you want to leave - it's enough that you want to". I think that was a revelation to me when I realized that I can leave this marriage. I cannot explain exactly why, but for years, while I dreamed of living without him, I have not though of divorcing him. I guess this goes back to my upbringing. I was brought up to believe that preserving a marriage comes before everything else. I grew up seeing many unhappy and abusive marriages and only a couple divorces.

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Mummykins54 · 14/08/2021 20:27

@freeatlast2021 I have been controlled for years - didn't realise it tbh. Silly things very subtle but always made me doubt myself. He would go into moods for no reason at all. I am not saying it was all bad - we did go family holidays/days out/concerts etc but I was walking on eggshells most of the time. Even buying stuff for the house, he would always come with me to choose curtains, carpets bedding etc. My friends go out and buy things and their husbands don't bat an eyelid. Even down to choosing a new hoover, told him not to buy a Dyson as we had already had 2 that were crap, what did he do - bought a Dyson which is also crap. When we needed a new washing machine he bought it without even asking me if I liked it. Things like that subtle but controlling.

And then for 9 whole months he refused to speak to me - when I entered a room he left. And I had to go to work all through this - he works from home permanently.

I just can't understand why I feel so bad right now - I should be like you so why am I not if that makes sense.

I sometimes think it was easier "putting up" than the stress this has caused me.

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