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Consent order / threat of bankruptcy

47 replies

Lilly239 · 26/05/2021 18:06

If 50/50 equity is agreed division with a deferred order (child remaining in family home untill 18)

I pay full mortgage payments but mortgage is in husband sole name

If he then went bankrupt to be nasty as he said he would do if we don’t get something agreed etc then how would I protect my 50 percent equity in house or protect the creditors trying to sell house to get money for example if young child living there?

Very very worried I need to get advice legally however it’s a wait to speak to anyone ...if anything could be worded in a consent order that would be protect me - any advice?

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FishyFriday · 27/05/2021 11:14

@Lilly239

On paper he’s has documented just under 3k debt on a credit card and he has finance for his new car (21k) the amount owning on it to ‘pay off’ is still 20k
The car is an asset though.

Honestly, you might be best off not trying to hold onto this house. Mesher orders are often a bit of a trap and lead to long term problems, even where your ex isn't actively trying to screw you over.

Take your equity (and you may be entitled to more than 50% of it) and rent while you get yourself into a position to buy a house on your own. That takes all the control away from him and you can just build up your new life away from him.

justanotherneighinparadise · 27/05/2021 11:28

If it were me I’d be trying to get him to actually write this stuff down as evidence. He obviously think he’s super smart. I wonder whether he would trip himself up if he gets angry.

motogogo · 27/05/2021 11:41

If I were you I would sell, take your money with a clean break. Delaying will cause extended anguish

Theunamedcat · 27/05/2021 12:22

Also you cant just "go bankrupt" especially if you have a well paid job they look at everything you have going out and your income if your income easily covers your outgoings your out of luck

Ohsugarhoneyicetea · 27/05/2021 12:35

I can see why you want to stay in the house as finding a rental for £500 would be impossible. But hopefully you wont have to stay until your child is 18, if you are training and will get a better paid fulltime job in the next few years then you could potentially get your own mortgage much sooner. So you could look at this as say a 5 year plan. So in your consent order, make sure a condition is that your name is added to the house deeds as a 50% owner, he will have to sign this and do it before the divorce so no CGT is owed. Also ensure the order states that the mesher is order up to your daughter turning 18, so if you want out in a few years you can. Take any consent order to your own sol for advice on its fairness before signing.

Lilly239 · 27/05/2021 13:03

@Ohsugarhoneyicetea exactly. To meet this standard of lovely home with daughter I have would be impossible to meet with compared to under £500 payment for mortgage for a good rental in my area decent I’m looking at £800 pcm and I don’t earn enough or I’m able to right now in my position but yes I do have a 5 year plan to get qualified at uni and start building my credit score here otherwise I’ll screw myself over paying dead rent somewhere crappy with my child I want to improve our life , but either way because of this threat of bankruptcy I have had to think of every option to protect myself if I agreed to this potential consent order x

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GappyValley · 27/05/2021 13:17

Also, OP, if your DH does go bankrupt, he is totally fucking himself over
He won't be able to get another mortgage for a very long time, he will be barred from working in certain industries, and will be banned from being a company director which would in turn seriously harm his ability to be self employed.

So unless he is really, really, really spiteful, the wider consequences would hopefully mean it is something he would avoid at all costs

Lilly239 · 27/05/2021 13:27

He is spiteful and dangerous at this moment because he has made it quite clear he has no care right now for daughter etc and i can’t even appeal to compassion over the child this is why I’m taking his threat quite seriously :( ...I called land registry and see if they could advise as I have matrimonial home rights on at the moment and they said they could not advise and to see maybe a soclictor , gee it’s just so concerning I’m sure another mum/wife has been out in the situation before it’s how to deal with it in a way that I don’t get screwed over x

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Lilly239 · 27/05/2021 13:30

Our child is adopted and even though we are mum and dad and treated child as such as in never ever compared her to second or not worth anything compared to a biological child , the child has been brought up as me mum and him dad and that we loved so much etc but now Ex is saying it’s only legal not really his kid! Yes incredibly confusing and hurt because this is not how we have treated our child at all but seems with divorce he views it different now this is why he is dangerous in the sense that he seems to have no care for himself going bankrupt, our child or for anyone! X

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Lilly239 · 27/05/2021 13:33

...We adopted child at 1 year old and it’s been years so only ever known me as mum and him as dad :( heartbreaking for child , all I want to make sure is that my child is well loved , secured etc and he seems more money orientated and making me suffer over the anguish over the bankruptcy thing , I’m sure there must be some other mum wife that has been in this situation once updated I will report it back on thread to hopefully help others , I appreciate everyone’s comments they are helpful to a terrible situation x

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bigbaggyeyes · 27/05/2021 13:55

You need this all tied up really tightly via a solicitor. Otherwise, as you said, if he goes bankrupt they could force a sale on the house.

Lilly239 · 27/05/2021 19:33

Had some advice off a solictors today I gave them information on the equity in house and pensions and threat of bankruptcy she said there is things that could be put in she did mention a few but I can’t remember specifically but she said she would write in letter she also said if he has high pensions IE 11k pensions occurred i marriage then I’m entitled example half of that 6k approx and if there is only 10k in the house starting point 50 percent each (5k each) then do an offset of your worth of 5k in the house secure a Mesher and have a tigger of when I finish university that I secure a transfer of ownership 100% and secure a mortgage when I’m in a position to do so instead of 50/50 in future as she said but if your paying mortgage 6 years it’s too much 50/50. Solicitor said the court go on what the house is worth one not in future. What does everyone think of this? This is based on what I told the solicitor:

Wife : 32
Husband : 40
1 Child under 18

Wife : income /university student finance £20k per year
Husband in come: £36k per year

Wife : full time carer of child (husband does not see child or take part in care but pays now CMS)

Husband wife married for 5 years , cohabit 6 years

House equity : £10k

Savings: no savings

Any Assets over £500 : motorbike £2,000, garage chest £800 (another Motorbike that was sold during the form E process :( )

Wife : no pensions

Husband has 4 pensions : 3 smaller ones occurred during the marriage totalling £11,000
1(huge) pension worth £170,000 however that was paid in from 2007 - 2017 (so on marriage/cohabit would it be 2 years of that I would be entitled to or there about)

Based on above the solicitor tasks there isn’t anything! And to sell would be fruitless but offsetting the pensions I could secure the house potentially and offer to pay the house costs / mortgage payment untill child turns 18/ or if a trigger event happened ie I secure a really good job after Univerisity and get a transfer of ownership by offsetting his pensions / giving him rest of the assets left

What does everyone think of above?
Anyone heard of this transfer of ownership of homes in divorce as a trigger?

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Lilly239 · 27/05/2021 19:35

@bigbaggyeyes oh god I know :( it really does doesn’t it what a mess x

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bigbaggyeyes · 27/05/2021 20:18

I'd go back abs tell him it's 50/50 and that includes the pensions accrued during the marriage. So 20k assets, 10k each. He keeps his pension, he signs over the house to you. Or he stays on the mortgage and he signs a deed of trust which means he has no entitlement to any equity and you pay the mortgage.

But if he's a sod he may refuse and take it down the court route which will be expensive.

Lilly239 · 27/05/2021 21:59

@bigbaggyeyes

“I'd go back abs tell him it's 50/50 and that includes the pensions accrued during the marriage. So 20k assets, 10k each. “He keeps his pension, he signs over the house to you”

The above ^ how would it be signed over to me if I can’t raise a mortgage yet?x

“Or he stays on the mortgage and he signs a deed of trust which means he has no entitlement to any equity and you pay the mortgage”

The above ^ how does this work?

What I really want to say is that the 11k of pensions occurred in marriage I’ll offset the 6k and because there only 10k equity in house 50/50 5k each I’ll offset that to stay in the house with child and pay all its costs and take the 100 percent of house and take it over after I finish university

‘But if he's a sod he may refuse and take it down the court route which will be expensive’

The above ^ exactly he doesn’t seem to care either way.

Would a judge if I could prove I can’t raise a mortgage (capacity) or meet criteria for renting and evidence it and that the rent would be so much more than I couldn’t afford it anyway compared to running the house with a low mortgage payment - my husband and his Rep seem convinced because there is not much left that the house will be sold regardless of me being homeless with a child , will not be entitled to pensions, will be a clean break with me out on my ear with a child with no provision , they seem convinced :( my ex and his rep x

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Lilly239 · 27/05/2021 22:17

The Judge has asked for this potential FDR

  1. Details of mortgage capacity (if relevant to the issue)
  2. Copies of agents particulars to demonstrate the cost of reasonable alternate accommodation for either party (if relevant to the issue between the parties)

Number 2? Is that renting? So I got estate agents letters before this was even asked by court order and or states criteria etc which I just don’t meet and that what kind of houses I’m looking for good standard etc is £800 pcm. But this is alot a month I only have so much , paying that much I’ll have nothing I can’t even afford that. So I’m that scenario is this likely a judge is still going to say even though there is no money in the house Hardly to still sell up even though I can’t go anywhere else :( I got image of me and daughter in a hotel or something or he goes bankrupt and I loose anyway - this is awful / can’t only be me that is blackmailed like this x

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Lilly239 · 27/05/2021 22:19

Sorry I meant to say can’t be only me that has been blackmailed like this / surely things like this happen in divorce etc

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bigbaggyeyes · 28/05/2021 07:09

Or he stays on the mortgage and he signs a deed of trust which means he has no entitlement to any equity and you pay the mortgage

A deed of trust is a legal document signed by both parties. It states that your stbxh will stay on the mortgage but will not pay anything towards it, and that you will continue to pay the mortgage solely and at the earliest opportunity (when you can) put the mortgage in your name. The important bit about a deed of trust is that he no longer has any legal right to any equity on the house.

My solicitor drew this up during my divorce as I was in a similar position and couldn't take the mortgage on myself.

Lilly239 · 28/05/2021 13:01

**Below guys is the official solictors advice after seeing the figures of asset/property/and income of parties - anyone got any comments to regards to this? I’m thinking everything over ...

Solictors email after our chat below

“Addressing your concerns as to the impact of bankruptcy upon any final order, particularly where there is a Mesher type order, I would comment as follows:
i) Where there is a final order, Mesher or not, and there is an unforeseen change of circumstances within a relatively short period of time after the final order was made and which affects the implementation of that order, this is known as a Barder event. In those circumstances it is possible to apply back to court and ask the court to reconsider matters with a view to varying the existing order. These types of applications are rare and there is not a good success rate. The success rate may increase if there is evidence to suggest an intentional frustration of the order.
ii) Where there is a Mesher type order, the former matrimonial home (fmh) is placed on Trust and is held on trust by you both as beneficial tenants in common as to a percentage that is agreed, This means if bankruptcy takes place, the property is protected in so far as the percentage of beneficial interest, for example, if the beneficial interest is 50%, then the Trustees in Bankruptcy will still be able to take action in respect of your husband’s 50% share and could force a sale. Whether they do or not is at the discretion of the Trustees. If, as we discussed you were to seek a 100% beneficial interest then bankrupcty would not affect the Trust.
iii) With regard to bankruptcy generally, an individual cannot just petition for bankruptcy. There is a need to show significant debt and inability to pay. It is the court who decides whether a person is made bankrupt. There are also the implications of bankruptcy which your husband may also have to consider.

When the court considers what is a fair and reasonable settlement, it will refer to the Section 25 Factors. I enclose a leaflet which touches on those factors. A starting point of any financial settlement is 50/50 and any person who wishes to detract from that needs to show good reason to do so. The court also have to have regard to the provision for a home for your daughter, but not necessarily the matrimonial home. This is where the S.25 factors come in. From the information you provided I advised you that you do have an argument to detract from the 50/50 presumption. You currently have no earning capacity. You have a dependant child residing with you whose welfare needs require to be met. There is a disparity in income. You informed me that your daughter has suffered psychologically from the separation and the fact that her father does not wish to continue a relationship with her and is attending with CAMHS. This may be something that is relevant to your argument for you to remain in the former matrimonial home. It should be raised at the FDR as you may need to obtain a report from CAMHS if her conditions is not accepted by your husband.

From the information you provided, you informed me that in the event the fmh was to be sold and after payment of estate agents fees, solicitors and redemption of the mortgage including early repayment penalty and Help to Buy Loan, there will be in the region of £10,000 equity. You have no borrowing capacity and if you were to rent a property which met your needs you would be paying monthly rent of £800. The current mortgage repayment is £500.

Without the benefit of considering all documents filed in these proceedings, I do not believe it would be unreasonable for you to seek an outright Transfer of the fmh into your sole name at the trigger point of any Mesher type order. I would also suggest that you consider a pension sharing order to reflect the payments made into your husband’s pension funds for the duration of the co-habitation and marriage period (the pension share to be out of his biggest fund so as to save costs). This is difficult to calculate without the expense and instruction of a pension actuary but a broadbrush approach could be applied. It may also be that there is an argument for spousal maintenance until the “trigger event”. The spousal maintenance could be the whole or part of the mortgage repayments.

Within negotiations, it is always possible to concede the spousal maintenance and pension sharing element and or offset these against you retaining the whole of the equity in the fmh.

Unfortunately there is no clear cut advice I can give you to enable you to achieve the financial settlement you would wish for. Whilst I am aware you wish to conclude matters sooner rather than later, it may be advantageous for you to proceed to FDR and obtain the view of the Judge on the day. You need to be aware that there are also risks in taking this course of action as the Judge may express a view contradictory to what you are seeking. Conversely the Judge may express a view providing you with a more beneficial settlement. It is a matter for you to decide, however if no agreement can be reached the decision is taken out of your hands”

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Lilly239 · 28/05/2021 13:06

@bigbaggyeyes ah ok you was in a similar situation so was you not able to take over the mortgage? What was you situation? - what I have been told is if there is only 10k of equity in the house but he has pensions of 11k in marriage take half of that 6k approx and offset it in the FMH and then I make all the payments etc mortgage etc and have a dead of trust.
If he didn’t make any mortgage payments or anything that would free him up for a further surplus of £900 surplus he has left over after paying his expenditure out. What do you think do you think I have a chance with this transfer of deed in those circumstances?

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Hono2 · 26/08/2021 15:43

Dear All

My godson lost both father and mother. Mother passed away recently. She remarried 3 years ago in another country. She was a British national and her habitual resident is London. She was also a national of the country where she got married.

I came across her certificate of no Impediment and it was issued in the country where she married .
I checked gov.uk page marrying abroad and it is stated that ´British national who are marrying abroad in countries that require a certificate of no impediment, they have to get with their local council.

Is this a technical or profound lapse whereby her marriage might be recognised in the UK

I am looking for sources of clarification in England law
Thank you for your help

Hono2 · 26/08/2021 15:45

Sorry I meant whereby her marriage might not be recognised in the IK

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