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Divorcing an unfit/unstable mum - how to get >50% residence?

14 replies

2zVXsG · 30/04/2021 12:53

Hi,

I am a 35 year old dad currently going through a divorce. Unfortunately my wife is not able/willing to look after my children properly and for that reason I think that the best interests of the children is to live with me the majority of the time. I would like to know if anybody has had a similar situation and if they were able to obtain majority residency? What was the process like?

My solicitor has told me that anything other than 50-50 is rarely granted unless physical or sexual violence can be proven. However in practice I would like to obtain a situation where my children are with me 80-90% of the time and would like to hear other people's experiences and whether you think this is achievable in practice.

My children are 6 year old twin girls.

Since they were born, my wife has been very unengaged with them. When she was a SAHM, she dumped them in front of the TV most of the time, and does not talk to them. Whenever I finished work, I would normally have to take the children to the park, or do activities with them, since they had had a day without stimulation.

Once they started primary school at age 4, the school called us in for a number of meetings about their delayed speech development. Now they are 6, but talking to them you would think they are 4. I believe that this is due to my wife's neglect.

Around 2 years ago, my wife became even more disengaged from the children. She met a 17- or 18-year-old boy and began a relationship with him. This involved a lot of overnight stays, including during the pandemic, and my wife began to disappear for up to 3 or 4 days at a time.

My wife has a hot temper and when I confronted her about the affair that she was having, she began to throw all the items in the kitchen at me (bowls, cups). This incident happened in front of my children, and the shards of the glass cut my daughter's foot.

Once I began the divorce proceedings, a mediator told me that my case would not be suitable for mediation because I am alleging neglect, and I would need to inform social services. I made a call to social services and reported the neglect and the violence, and I arranged with my parents to enrol the children in a school local to them, just over an hour from the family home. I stupidly didn't make a police report as I didn't want to escalate into all-out conflict, however the violence was reported at the time to social services.

As a retaliation to my call to social services, my wife called the police and accused me of domestic violence and coercive and controlling behaviour. It was a terrifying experience and I was held in police custody for 8 hours or so waiting to be interviewed, although once the police spoke to me it only took about 15 minutes and they released me immediately, since it was clear that my wife had no credibility. My wife then withheld all access to the children from me for about 3 weeks. In this time my solicitor wrote a number of letters to her and she eventually relented and gave me back the children.

Since then, with the help of my solicitor, I have taken my children to my parents' house and now they live 5 days a week with me and my parents and attend school here. They have Friday afternoons until Saturday evenings with my wife. We don't have any court order in place and it's a volatile agreement. My wife feels that she has lost out with the current arrangement and she frequently tries to frustrate the process.

What I would like to aim for is to have the children with me during the week plus half of the weekends, perhaps with a court order if this is necessary. The problem is that so far, a lot of what has happened is my word against hers. So how can I prove that she is an inadequate parent?

So far proof of her chaotic lifestyle and mental instability:

  • she is a woman in her 30s in a relationship with a teenager
  • the overnight stays away from the children
  • the outlandish accusations of things like coercive and controlling behaviour (if I was coercive and controlling, how could she have an affair?)
  • when we are due a pickup or collection, she often writes long ranting messages to my solicitor trying to change or disrupt everything at the last minute.
  • before she married me, she was in a relationship with somebody else and had a daughter (my stepdaughter, now 16). After they split up, my wife sent her daughter back to her home country (a third world country) when she was 6 years old, and she was looked after by family members for 2 years. My wife didn't work in this time and just seems to have partied. The reason for sending my stepdaughter away was that she didn't want to look after the girl and didn't want her to fall into her father's hands. Overall my stepdaughter has been moved around from school to school her entire childhood to follow her mother's chaotic lifestyle. My stepdaughter's unfortunate experiences are something that I don't want to happen to my own children.
  • I believe both schools that the children have attended have flagged their delayed development and concerns that the children are/were not being looked after at home. I don't know exactly what they have documented but they did call us in for meetings a few times about it. My challenge is to prove that it is her that is being neglectful and not me.

The problem that I'm facing is that she has shown no interest in looking after the children until now, and I do not believe she is capable of looking after them long term, however she may feel now that she is 'losing' and so is willing to try anything to stop me 'winning'. My solicitor has told me that it is likely she will accuse me of assault again if we go to court. I hope that over time her crazy behaviour will be noticed by more and more people in authority and I will have a stronger case. But what I am worried about is us ending up somehow on the default 50-50 split.

My impression from reading forums like this is that a feckless father normally fades out of the picture, but a feckless mum is more dangerous because she insists on holding onto the children even though she is unable/unprepared to look after them.

Furthermore, the delayed speech and delayed education is a major problem. They are in Year 1 but are currently where a child would be on starting Reception. My parents and I are doing lots of reading and activities with them, but when they are with their mother, they are still dumped in front of the TV. This makes it very hard to undo the damage.

OP posts:
2zVXsG · 30/04/2021 13:05

I should add, my wife has frequently left my children unattended to go out with her boyfriend. She never takes them to the park or puts them to bed or even tells them to brush their teeth. She doesn't like getting up on time to take them to school, and has no routine herself, often getting up at midday, by which time they will have got their own breakfast and played alone for a few hours. In short, I would not trust a babysitter like her to look after my children even for an evening.

OP posts:
titchy · 30/04/2021 13:05

Your solicitor is in a far better position to advise you than a load of randoms here. Take their advice.

GrumpyHoonMain · 30/04/2021 13:12

Your solicitor will advise you as per what he thinks you’ll realistically get. The best you can do is ensure social services are actively involved and keep a diary of what happens during her visits. Then after you get 50/50 keep taking her back to court if she does anything.

It’s so hard but I was in a similar situation with DN. SS kept giving chances to my Dsis as she the mum and so DN got more and more harmed. I have full custody over her now but it’s taken ages to unravel the food issues Dsis created. All I could do was be there for DN and support her 100% and keep a diary which meant for a while all visits were supervised (DN is older now and only sees her now if she comes to our home, which is easier).

delilahbucket · 30/04/2021 13:25

So far all I've read is your wife hasn't done x, y, z to help them, your parents are doing x, y, z to help them. What are you doing to help your children? She disappears for up to four days at a time with her boyfriend, so who is looking after your children?
It isn't just about proving she is incapable, you need to prove you are capable.
If she really is doing the things you say she is, why aren't social services more concerned? How do you know she's doing all of those things? I wouldn't take the words of your children, they are too young and will say what they think you want to hear. Believe me, been there done that with my exes children.

northerngal2021 · 30/04/2021 13:43

Just to say good luck and well done for being a decent father - your children will thank you in the future

2zVXsG · 30/04/2021 13:57

Thanks a lot everyone. So it is me together with my parents looking after them. Until a few months ago I was alone in the family home and would look after the kids alone while my wife disappeared but really it is much better for 3 adults to do the job than one. I do all school pickups and drop offs and bedtime but there are times when I need my parents' help as I also work.

The other point, why aren't social services more concerned... I don't know myself but I guess that from the point of view of the authorities maybe I am just an angry ex making allegations. Also since she has accused me of domestic violence, we have a situation of accusations vs counter accusations. It is mostly my word vs hers. There are points where her craziness must have become apparent to authorities but it would need someone to join the dots between all the different people in authority who have seen something. I don't know if my stepdaughter's father would testify because he may be afraid of reprisals from her family.

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MMMarmite · 30/04/2021 14:04

Sounds awful OP, I don't have any useful advice but I hope you manage to get a good outcome. FlowersFlowers

2zVXsG · 30/04/2021 15:58

Thanks!

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BingBongToTheMoon · 30/04/2021 16:07

Sounds like you already have more than 50/50 care.
Judge is likely to keep the status quo with you being TP and mum having weekend visitation. Although try and change this to EOW so you get time with the children too and she gets 2 during the week nights (can she get them to school on time?)
Who gets the child benefit?
Does mum pay maintenance?

2zVXsG · 30/04/2021 16:35

I earn above the threshold for child benefit but I have the entitlement. She has put in a contested claim to HMRC but solicitor advised me to keep child benefit entitlement at all costs. Atm as we are still married I am paying mortgage on family home and also sending her money for food. She has no job. I will try to get a conversation with solicitor next week to try to work out how to sort out the finances, as i can now apply for decree absolute. Solicitor suggested sell the family home and give her half the equity and then that could be a clean break.

I would be happy with her having them every other weekend. That would give me and my parents some quality weekend time and she could do very limited damage in that timeframe. But not sure how achievable that is, although I've seen a few mums on this forum whose exes get the kids every other weekend. Is that arrangement reached by mutual consent or does the other half always fight it?

She def wouldn't manage to get them to school on time, at least I have rarely seen that happen over the years.

This is my problem, I believe she is willing to fight every step of the way.

One possible strategy is that as soon as I'm no longer supporting her, at some point she will need to work Mon to Fri and that will give me more leverage.

Solicitor is very risk averse about going to court as she says things might not go how I want and court can backfire. I guess because so much is word of mouth accusations and little hard evidence.

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HosannainExcelSheets · 05/05/2021 11:44

I'm sorry to have to point this out, but you left your daughters in your wife's care for years, even though you though her care was negligent. You have also neglected your children's needs by doing this.

Leaving them in her care for so long that school has flagged a speech delay is very serious.

Neither of you sound like you put the girls' needs first. If you can show you are doing that now then you should get resident parent status and more time with you. But you'll need to face up to why it took you so long to do anything about the situation if it was as bad as you say.

ProseccoThyme · 05/05/2021 14:53

A lot of this does sound like coercive control & domestic abuse.

Interestingly OP's allegations against his wife started after they separated & it would be interesting to see what third party confirmation there is eg school recording lateness when his ex-wife was in charge, SALT opinion on cause of speech delay.

Removing children to the OP's parents home 1 hour away( presumably without her consent) & moving schools is very drastic.

I just find the whole thing very "off".

CatWillSaveMe · 06/05/2021 00:17

How do you know she had them in front of tv all day if you wasn’t there?
It doesnt sound like you had a relationship with her at any point, have you tried to address why she behaves like that, perhaps she had pnd or was unhappy with your behaviour during those 6 years? Has this been addressed in any way?
Did you attempt couples counselling at all, did she go to gp?
Was you doing your fair share at home or was you just expecting her to do all and engage with your kids?
You say ‘she is unable to look after MY children properly’ - they are her kids too, you make it sound like she’s an appliance who wasn’t functioning up to your standard not an equal partner in this.
Speech delay might be due to a number of reasons unrelated to your wife’s behaviour, how much effort did you put in.

Granted, your wife’s behaviour was not right, having an affair with a teen is wrong. Are you sure this was an affair? Were this young person’s parents ok with their relationship i wonder.

I wonder what she would have to say to all of this. Are you hot tempered as well? It is rarely so black and white.

Do your girls miss their mom and want to see her? Ultimately this is about doing what is best for them not punishing your wife by taking girls away. Does your wife want to imrpove and maintain the relationship with them?

CatWillSaveMe · 06/05/2021 12:30

This one i’m affraid is one of those cases where OP sounds good on paper but on closer look there are a lot of questions - answers to them might reveal a different story.
I’m affraid there’s just too little info about your own role in all of this and the role might be more significant than op tells us.
Anyways, i hope the outcome will be what’s best for the girls. Because this is not about you winning and wife losing, there’s bigger things at stake here.

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