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Abused father facing losing his DC - Rights??

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brightertimes123 · 16/01/2021 21:20

Where to start, apologies this will be long...

DB has been psychologically and emotionally abused by his alcoholic and and mentally unstable wife for many years. Much of it happening in front of their DC. None of it I knew about, apart from she became unpleasant after a couple of drinks.
He had been isolated and controlled to such extent that the only people who knew the whole scale of her drinking were her family. He was 'not allowed' to discuss their problems with me or any one else. At no point did her family advise him to leave or protect himself/the DC. It was all about trying to get help for her.

Out of sheer desperation he made voice recordings of her drunken screaming and ranting abuse; many of which the DC can be heard in the background. In all of them he is begging her to get help and to think of the DC. there are over 50 recordings all of which I have heard and frankly it is heartbreaking.
His solicitor has copies.

In December he understandably had a breakdown; his wife was literally drinking vodka all day, he was trying to protect and care for the DC, work and seek help for her. All help she refused, despite ending up in hospital several times, police being called to pick her up off the street and DB pleading with various MH agencies. All whilst being abused himself.

Out of the blue I had a call to go and get him. His wife had locked him out of the house, thrown all his belongings in the road and was basically drinking herself to death.
He had been staying with his in-laws for a few weeks alongside his DC to try and keep them safe but when he shared that the marriage couldn't continue they threw him out there and then; 1 week before Xmas.
I found him in a dreadful state, a husk of a man and terrified of his wife and her parents.

He has been with me since; he has nowhere else to go. An interim residency order was put in place for the DC to stay with GPs but what is clear now is that they are in complete denial about their daughter's drinking and are not safeguarding the children properly. She has a prohibitive steps order against her but from what the DC let slip, she takes them out unsupervised.

His wife continues to drink and leave abusive messages with DB. She has made up dreadful lies about him and continues to psychologically abuse their DC. When the DC were with us after Xmas she bombarded their 10yo with calls. There are many voice mails of her slurring, shouting, accusing their DD of deserting her "just like your father". When I reported the calls to SS I was just told to inform CAFCASS (who helpfully were shutdown for 2 weeks).
Even worse when I alerted the grand parents about what was happening, they denied she was still drinking!

We are now trying to support DB in getting residency of his DC but the interim CAFCASS report is back and isn't worth the paper it's written on.
His wife and her parents have clearly colluded to present picture that all is in hand and improving. It 100% isn't but
CAFCASS seems so prejudiced in its view towards father's its staggering.
Their safeguarding report has literally ignored all of DB's reports of past and ongoing abuse, the continued drinking and risk to the DC.

The next hearing is imminent and DB is petrified that not only will he lose his DC but that something awful will happen to them either directly at his wife's hands or the negligence of the GPs.

I could weep; the system in this country is so skewed he doesn't stand a chance. The 10yo is being so damaged and having her head filled with such venom, she refused to see DB this weekend; he was heartbroken. We live 3 hours from their home town he only sees the DC EOW.

It makes me rage to think that if this was an abused woman facing systematic alienation from her DC every agency would be supporting her.

I'm sorry this is so long; I can't quite believe this is happening. DB has always been such a gentle soul; all he ever wanted was his own family and has been an amazing father.

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auberJohn · 16/01/2021 22:11

Hi

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Ohalrightthen · 16/01/2021 22:16

I have to ask - why the hell did he leave his children with this woman? Why didn't he take them with him?

brightertimes123 · 16/01/2021 22:40

@Ohalrightthen

I have to ask - why the hell did he leave his children with this woman? Why didn't he take them with him?
With hindsight and had I had the tiniest insight into what was really going on those DC would have come straight here.

He thought he was doing the right thing at the time, he thought they were safe with GPs. He wasn't thinking rationally, he was isolated and terrified.

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BettyAndVeronica · 16/01/2021 22:51

Sounds like he has a not of evidence to support his case.

Although negligent in leaving the DC in this situation.

His breakdown, what did that involve? Did he receive professional help?

BettyAndVeronica · 16/01/2021 22:51

*lot

CodenameVillanelle · 16/01/2021 22:55

I posted on your other thread and told you that the GPs would keep those kids now they have a child arrangements order in place. You also said on your other thread that your DB wasn't a safe person to care for them at the time either.
The cafcass officer will likely veer towards keeping the kids where they are rather than upheaving them. It's unlikely to be because he's the father (not denying that prejudice exists, but in this case it's probably because the GPs have care of them and moving them again would be disruptive, when there are also concerns over DB's capacity to care for them.

brightertimes123 · 16/01/2021 23:05

@CodenameVillanelle

I posted on your other thread and told you that the GPs would keep those kids now they have a child arrangements order in place. You also said on your other thread that your DB wasn't a safe person to care for them at the time either. The cafcass officer will likely veer towards keeping the kids where they are rather than upheaving them. It's unlikely to be because he's the father (not denying that prejudice exists, but in this case it's probably because the GPs have care of them and moving them again would be disruptive, when there are also concerns over DB's capacity to care for them.
He had a breakdown purely because of the abuse. He has had help and is much stronger, although anyone in a similar position will now how long the trauma can stay with a survivor.

He is an excellent father and more than capable of looking after his DC, especially with support from us if needed.

The GPs were given emergency residency purely as a temporary measure to give DC consistency and what has become crystal clear is that they do not have the DCs best interests at the fore. Their loyalty to their DD and increasingly denial of her level of addiction are putting the DC at risk.

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AuntieStella · 18/01/2021 15:52

The breakdown may indeed have been the result of the abuse

But as you posted in your previous thread, he was not capable of looking after the DC.

The (united) advice then was that the first thing he needed to do was get help and become fully functioning. Only a short period has passed - how will he be able to evidence that his breakdown is behind him?

He needed to move back to the area where his DC live, set himself up in a place of his own, pay maintenance and feature in their lives. Has any of that happened?

In the kindest possible way, railing about how awful she is and the damage she has caused (including to DBro) isn't going to solve this. Your DBro needed considerable support to be able to show he was capable of caring for the DC (and he was very far from that)

PicaK · 22/01/2021 08:04

This sounds so hard. But from an outsiders perspective your insistence that your brother is fine is as blinkered as his in-laws.
There's also no mention of the damage he has done to his children. Just pure anger at the children's mum which isn't helpful.

Speaking as someone who's also had to come to terms with the fact that my brief breakdown frightened the kids and affected them. That doesn't make me a bad, evil person who can't be with them Acknowledging this and working on it is honestly the first step in repair and the only way.
Put the kids first. Focus entirely on what they need. Apologise to the grandparents and start asking how you can work together to get the kids what they need. Two functioning non warring parents

FelicityPike · 22/01/2021 08:11

@AuntieStella

The breakdown may indeed have been the result of the abuse

But as you posted in your previous thread, he was not capable of looking after the DC.

The (united) advice then was that the first thing he needed to do was get help and become fully functioning. Only a short period has passed - how will he be able to evidence that his breakdown is behind him?

He needed to move back to the area where his DC live, set himself up in a place of his own, pay maintenance and feature in their lives. Has any of that happened?

In the kindest possible way, railing about how awful she is and the damage she has caused (including to DBro) isn't going to solve this. Your DBro needed considerable support to be able to show he was capable of caring for the DC (and he was very far from that)

I remember this.
dontdisturbmenow · 22/01/2021 10:11

You paint a very black and white picture, your SIL evil, your DB innocent and blameless. It's understandable as emotions would be high, but the likelihood is that the actual situation is much more grey and best assessed by people who have no emotional attachment to it and no reasons to be biased.

The best way to help your DB is encouraging him to be the best father he can be, and that potentially might be by supporting the decision that the kids stay with their GaP for the time being at least and not fuel his anger by encouraging him to badmouth his wife and PIL.

RonaldMcDonald · 27/01/2021 01:31

He should seek support from the Men and Boys Coalition or Mankind Initiative if in England. If he has faced abuse and his mental health has suffered he should seek support to get back on his feet.
He’ll also need somewhere to live suitable for he and the kids
If their marriage is over he should proceed with either residency petition or in instigating regular meaningful contact with the children and have a contact order arranged.

If his children are in danger again he should not leave them in a dangerous situation or with a dangerous person - no matter their relationship to the child

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