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DD refusing to see her father

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HumousWhereTheHeartIs · 05/02/2020 09:23

My 13 yo DD has decided she no longer wants to have a relationship with her dad. They have had a very difficult relationship for several years. He is an angry, moody and self centred person. He regularly turns up hours late, she says she can’t rely on him and he hangs up on her when she tries to talk to him about it. He calls her names such as ‘fucking wee boot’ when she challenges him.
He has never once been to parents’ night, done homework, taken them to appointments etc. He occasionally drives them to school but has never collected them. It is very much a relationship on his terms and what suits him.
My 10 yo DD says she doesn’t ‘feel safe’ with him. I don’t think she actually means she will come to harm. I think she doesn’t feels she is being looked after properly emotionally. He often has friends round when the kids have been there and they are ignored. I think she feels he is unreliable. He is unpredictable mood wise and she regularly texts me to ask to be collected. She gets very upset when her sister and dad argue.
Now my younger DD doesn’t want to go without her sister - so neither of them are seeing him.
He is furious and threatening court. He says I have to make them go which I refuse to do. He can’t understand this. I have suggested loads of possible ideas over the years - inviting their friends, having one on one time, finding a treat, having a special thing they always do together, the kids spending time with grandparents etc etc. He has never tried any of it.
Please tell me I’m not wrong for refusing to force them.

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purpleboy · 05/02/2020 09:38

Hey, I'm sorry your dealing with this, it's utterly shit isn't it.
I've been there, DD 16 has decided to stop contact with her dad it's been nearly a year and she is so much happier.
Of course it's all my fault I turned her against him, not the fact he prioritized everyone he could over her for 13 years!
If it's your dds choice I would support her. She is old enough to make her own decisions.
I also think you DD10 is old enough to make her own mind up but I would say you need to be sure it's her feelings not just following what her sister is saying/doing.
The courts won't force the older one and they use age 10 as a guide for listening to the child's wants but don't have to actually follow through with that child's requests if they don't believe it's in their best interests.

HumousWhereTheHeartIs · 05/02/2020 10:54

@purpleboy Thank you.... I do support my 13 yo's decision.

My 10yo does want to see her dad just not on her own. I have told him he has to make her see that time with him will be fun but he wants me to force her to come. I offend him at every suggestion I make.

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Whynosnowyet · 05/02/2020 10:58

At their ages I would respect their wishes.
Doubtful ex will persue if he doesn't gave any 'good df' ammo to tell a judge.... At 12 my ds went nc with exh.
Never heard a word from him...

T0tallyFuckedUpFamily · 05/02/2020 11:13

I’d let him take you to court, tbh. Does your youngest actually want to see him, or do you think she feels guilty and therefore feels obliged to visit?

HumousWhereTheHeartIs · 05/02/2020 11:19

I think my 10 yo genuinely wants to see him occasionally. In the summer, DD1 agreed to see her dad once a month and DD2 was happy with this.

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user14928465 · 05/02/2020 11:28

He can’t understand this.

No, he's an abuser, so he refuses to accept it as it means he's not the one in control.

I'm glad your eldest finally feels able to protect herself from any further abuse and that they both have your support. It is a shame it has gone on so long.

I wonder how much the youngest's desire to see him is driven by hope she can make him love her enough to stop the abuse so she could have the dad she deserves.

There is no point in you trying to reason with him. This is about control not reason for him. The only "suggestion" he needs is to stop abusing his daughters, anything else is missing the point and futile. To pick one example, one on one time whilst still being abusive would be damaging. All he wants is to dominate them.

Have you ever done the Freedom Programme?

HumousWhereTheHeartIs · 05/02/2020 11:39

I do understand why it reads that way but he is more like a grumpy teenager who never grew up. He wants to get drunk with his friends and see his kids when he wants but deal with nothing practical. If it's not fun he can't be arsed. He wants his own way.
The one on one time is what I suggested in 2013 when we first split in order for him to build things up with them. He works away a lot and had never even put them to bed then. They were 6 and 4.

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MySonThePotato · 05/02/2020 11:39

Does either child understand the long-term ramifications of stopping contact? It's a big decision IMHO. It's not just about today. The specific risks will depend on your circumstances but here are some things to consider - they may not all apply in your specific case.

There's a risk of losing contact with their father's entire extended family. There's a risk they'll have half-siblings in future they'll never meet. There's a risk they'll be financially disadvantaged, both in the short term (if Dad goes from paying generous maintenance to the bare minimum CMS amount, for example) and in the long-term (e.g. if Dad and his family disinherit them). There's a risk they'll later regret their decision and suffer emotional distress.

For all those reasons, low-contact can be better than no-contact, but if you feel the downsides of contact outweigh the benefits, by all means stop it and let him take you to court where an impartial third party can decide.

abstractzebra · 05/02/2020 11:41

I had similar issues with my now adult children.
I used to try and explain to my ex how the children were feeling and suggest how he could make things better but both himself and his new wife just told everyone I had instigated all of it and I was a terrible mother etc.
Also years ago, whenever my ex, his brother and their father fell out, it always came to blows and someone got beaten up. I couldn't bear the thought of anyone doing that to my lovely, kind and easy going son, so there was relief on my part that they might part company as they were starting to argue a lot.
I didn't make them go and my ex didn't do anything about it.
I've got a lovely relationship with both of my children and that's all I can ask for really.
I think you've just got to keep reassuring both your DDs that it's not their fault he acts this way and let them decide.

HumousWhereTheHeartIs · 05/02/2020 11:50

@MySonThePotato My 13 yo DD definitely understands. She has been seeing a counsellor for a year for anxiety and depression. Since cutting contact with him, she has been much happier.

My 10 yo would still like to see him but not on her own. She wants me to go too. He is really pissed off at this.

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HumousWhereTheHeartIs · 05/02/2020 11:56

He has been texting me all morning saying I'm not doing enough and it's insulting. I feel like I can hardly breathe with the feeling of depressing monotony. I feel like nothing I can say helps. I feel overpowered.

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pointythings · 05/02/2020 12:24

Stop responding to him other than to tell him that he can go through the court to pursue this. Your older DD should not be a tool to facilitate contact for her sister.

abstractzebra · 05/02/2020 13:40

I agree.
Don't respond.
You've tried to help and it's not your fault he acts like he does.
He is able to go to court if he wants to but I suspect he won't as it might put him in a bad light if your daughter has to explain why she doesn't want to see him.

Cmagic7 · 05/02/2020 13:49

It is possible that your 13 year old would write him a letter? She probably has very conflicting feelings towards him and this might encourage her to think about them in a more nuanced way, rather than just reject him. In turn, if he received such a letter, he could understand that it's his actions that have lead to this and that he needs to step up and show her a different side to him. If he doesn't and chooses to disappear from her life, then he's shown his true colours.

HumousWhereTheHeartIs · 05/02/2020 14:54

In mediation when we separated, I agreed to him having the kids three weekends out of four. But ExDH is now saying that it's therefore my responsibility to make sure they go with him. I think my agreement means I have to make them available. If the kids then refuse to go, I'm not in breach of that, surely?

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Mamia15 · 05/02/2020 15:30

Grey rock him (google for techniques) and block him.

Let him take you to court.

Festivalgirl83 · 06/02/2020 20:16

My DD (10) is the same. Her Dad and I have been separated for just over two years now, divorce just starting. For months she has refused to go but cant give a proper reason. I don't know if it's because she hates having to go every weekend or if is because as she says "he doesn't look after us properly". I dont know really what that means but I do know he has no interest in her and just takes her to his new girlfriends even when she begs not to go. He's selfish and doesnt spent any quality time one on one with her

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