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Daughters father in another country

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wanderer92 · 23/06/2019 14:42

I went abroad to South America to work and met someone. We dated and it became serious too quickly. He began asking me to stay in the country I was working in which was 6000 miles away from my home and family. I wasn’t going to stay but then I fell pregnant failed by contraception. I wanted to leave before the pregnancy but after finding out I began going for my scans which were all in foreign language as I did not speak the language there. It’s a developing country and my first pregnancy, the man I was with wouldn’t pay extra
For English speaking doctors and I was unable to afford much as I was not being paid by the workplace despite challenging them for mistreatment and failing to arrange my work visa. The country is corrupt and full of bureaucracy and I had been working hard with the labour ministries to resolve those issues. I was far from my mum who I told about the pregnancy and who was over joyed. I think they thought I should stay in the country because the guy had made out to be successful and secure and there were more opportunities even though they had not been to the country themselves.

So I was pregnant, training for a second job, living with a man I’d know for 3 months and had no money after being neglected by the school I had travelled so far to work with. I eventually had an anxiety attack and the guy dealt with it by getting his parents who did not speak English to sit in the apartment for hours waiting to speak to me. I did not want to speak to them. I had mentioned wanting an abortion but it was illegal in the country. In anger I threw things around but was not violent towards the guy. The whole time he was video filming me in distress, his parents wouldn’t leave and I was beginning to disassociate from the stress. His mum called the police who spoke to me at the station through translate. The whole time my parents did not know where I was. The police officer who was speaking to me seemed to understand my distress but was actually telling the guy he should press charges and I should go to jail for saying I wanted an abortion. Eventually they sent me a women’s centre who after explaining everything too, including that I’d suffered abuse in the past and was terrified of having a baby girl they told this to the guy violating any confidentially and coerced me to going to a clinic. Because I wanted to speak to someone about the situation and the guy wanted me to go to a hotel alone because his parents said I couldn’t go back to the apartment I agreed. When I arrived it was an emergency psychiatric hospital and again using google translate I said I wanted to have an abortion and the extreme stress and harassment was making me feel suicidal. The guy pretended to be my husband and signed for me to be sectioned. I was tired at this point not eaten all day and was 14 weeks pregnant. When I tried to leave because they had stopped talking to me and just talked amongst themselves the security grabbed me. Six worker grabbed me when I saw a nurse walk towards me with a needle and medication so I tried to escape. They dragged me into the next room, the male had his arm against my throat and I couldn’t breathe. They tied my arms tightly to the bed and my ankles. They took my clothes off from me including my bra and I tried to stop them because my chest was visible. The nurse injected me with haloperidol and they left me tied to the bed for hours until I gestured that the straps were too tight and causing my arm to pulsate. They unrestrained me and I stayed on the bed with other women who had also been there and restrained. I managed to speak a few words and waited for the evaluators to arrive the next day to speak to them about being released. Usually you are there for 72 hours but the guy called my mum and told her to collect me. He went to work as usual the next day. I have never been so terrified in my life with no one to speak English to about the situation. After I spoke to doctors who spoke English the
Next morning they released me. After 18 hours. They released me because the guy had kicked me in my stomach and filmed me so had aggravated my stress.

My mum collected me and we flew home. I stayed in contact with the guy because he wanted to be a family and raise this baby. He wanted me to go back to his country after the baby so the whole pregnancy this was the plan even though I was uncomfortable and anxious.

I’ve had my baby who is beautiful and I’ve decided not to go back to the country. Every day we argue and I am scared to be alone with someone who did that to me. I feel he puts on a character around others but is another person to who he presents himself. He’s told me my body will be ready for sex soon and actually asked me three days after I’d given birth if we could have sex. He doesn’t understand me on any level and I feel crazy for keeping in contact with him for so long.

I feel harassed every day. He doesn’t care about me he just wants the baby and repeatedly tells me to go to
His country because he and his family love her with all their hearts. They’ve made me feel like a vessel for their personal wishes to have a baby. I didn’t have an abortion in the end because she was too big at 16 weeks and I’d seen her too many times during scans. I don’t regret having her but now I’m alone. My parents are supportive and helping me by letting me save money to get an apartment and I’m just finishing up my driving lessons to gain independence. But I’m angry some days because this man has said if I don’t go back in July he will start another family. I don’t tell anyone how sad I feel some days and I rarely speak about my emotions I just focus on raising a happy and healthy baby. I breastfeed I had a completely natural water birth and shower her with love. But my personal future feels dark and empty and I feel bad when I see other families together. I don’t think I will trust another man completely and I feel scarred from what happened to me. I’ve been to therapy and I think I’ll go back now that I’ve committed to staying in my own country. I just feel bad and other than taking my baby for a walk and planning my business/ doing my freelance design work when my little one naps I don’t know how to feel better. I’m going to seek legal advice at the moment he pays child support but paid nothing throughout the pregnancy and him being in my life causes me so much stress. I don’t want him near my baby I think he just insists on speaking to make a point. He didn’t prepare in any way to be a father and I don’t know how keeping in contact all her childhood via FaceTime will be beneficial to her. Sorry for the long post

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RandomMess · 23/06/2019 14:52

So he still lives abroad?

Block his phone number and tell him he may only contact you via email and you will only review them once per week...

wanderer92 · 23/06/2019 14:57

Yes he still lives there he wanted me to go for 5 years then we could move but I don’t trust him and I can’t be the best for my daughter when I’m under the stress of being in a foreign country. I have blocked his number and I’ve deactivated all my social media he insists on speaking everyday but I can’t stand the idea of him being in our lives at all

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Walkamileinmyshoesbeforeujudge · 23/06/2019 14:59

Block all contact. Let him find another woman. Pity her. But be glad you are free.
You dd won't miss out. He isn't a safe person to have around her.

LIZS · 23/06/2019 15:01

Are you a uk national? Is your dd? Do you have job here to return to? He sounds very controlling and emotionally abusive.

wanderer92 · 23/06/2019 15:05

Yes I’m a uk national and so is my daughter so she is protected by our system. As for a job I am receiving maternity allowance and when I return to work it will be my own business that I’m running. Logistically I am safe and so is she and I’m working hard for our stability but I feel bad from the guilt and stress. I’m just trying to navigate through it all without allowing myself to feel anger I don’t want to pass any of it onto dd through stress hormones etc I just don’t know how to deal with the days I feel alone. I don’t really have close female friends and everyone I know is pretty wrapped up in their own stuff at the moment so starting to feel a bit isolated and trapped with the emotions and raising a baby alone

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OralBElectricToothbrush · 23/06/2019 15:09

You need to end all contact with this man. I hope he's not on the birth certificate and you didn't give your baby his surname.

wanderer92 · 23/06/2019 15:13

He is on the certificate. He was in the uk for her birth. I told my parents I didn’t want him on the certificate but they insisted he had parental responsibilities. And even if you are not on the certificate you can be added to it through court. So I regret the certificate but I don’t dwell on it. He told me if he comes to the uk he wants to stay in the home with me and I have said no which angers him. I don’t know whether to get a restraining order against him. I am looking to get legal advice because it’s so complicated in terms of international rights and responsibilities. I don’t want him in her life but my mum is a people pleaser and thinks he doesn’t deserve to be blocked out of baby’s life. I personally fear him having access to her will damage her more than benefit her

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RandomMess · 23/06/2019 15:28

Stop answering the phone to him and tell he can write via email only. Any threats he makes are then in writing the only thing you need to inform him of is your DC welfare/health you can ignore anything else.

Walkamileinmyshoesbeforeujudge · 23/06/2019 17:53

Write down exactly what he had done to you. Speak to the police for advice.

wanderer92 · 23/06/2019 18:22

I’m worried if I start anything legal it will end up with him getting any sort of custody

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RandomMess · 23/06/2019 19:10

He will have to go to mediation in the uk to before court happens. If he was abusive towards you then this is usually waived and it's straight to court.

I'm not sure what you think he can do?

Get a passport for her keep it safe under lock and key elsewhere, see if you can get it flagged as an abduction risk and wait for him to come to the UK and take you to court to have contact...

In the meantime you can be "reasonable" and send him the occasional photo and update of how she is. You don't need to speak to him, don't have to let him in your home, don't have to hand her over for contact. This person is a stranger to her and is unlikely to ever live here?

wanderer92 · 23/06/2019 19:27

I have been trying to keep contact minimal and I will try just emailing once a week photographs. He’s very much give an inch take a mile so if I allow video calls he ends up trying to persuade me to go there and mentally/ emotionally I am exhausted. I don’t know why I feel I should let him be involved he is a stranger to me because of the language and cultural difference and he is a stranger to her because he wasn’t here for the pregnancy and he’s seen her for two weeks when she was born. He’s continuously making me feel guilty for not going and being a family but I don’t want any of that with him and it’s only recently I realised I don’t have to do anything for his sake. I just don’t want my baby to grow up and hate me for keeping them separated he’s threatened many times to take her or go to court for custody. It’s why I originally planned to go I just don’t want to lose her at some point. I keep getting told he’s the father and he has equal rights to her but in this case I don’t feel that. I feel like he’s just trying to take her from me, always calling her his baby.

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RandomMess · 23/06/2019 20:02

Your DD has a right to a relationship with her father and know who he is, he erm doesn't really have any "rights" as such!

Walkamileinmyshoesbeforeujudge · 23/06/2019 20:09

Random did you even read the first post?
Confused

wanderer92 · 23/06/2019 20:20

That’s why I feel guilty because a child should have both parents in their life but I think he is using baby to stay in my life and I also thing he is a risk to her mental and emotional health and development. I would not say this and keep them separate if I didn’t truly think it. I would be with him making it work if I thought it was the best for her. During my crisis his mum attacked me by screaming in my face and putting her teeth on my forehead. For this reason as well as calling the police and leaving me in the hospital without my family or someone that speaks my language makes me fear for my daughter having a relationship with his parents. His mother never wanted to know how I was doing she only ever asked about my daughter. I blocked contact with her weeks ago. I feel so uncomfortable with the whole thing and I think cutting him out is the only way I can function

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RandomMess · 23/06/2019 21:02

I did and I think she should stop engaging at all forever...

wanderer92 · 27/06/2019 19:55

I still feed confused as to whether what happened warrants me from blocking him out of our lives. I don’t like him having access but I don’t want the decision to hurt my daughter in the future.

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Ivalueloyaltyaboveallelse · 27/06/2019 20:13

He sounds awful. Block him and enjoy your life with your daughter. I would speak to the police and not engage with him at all. He sounds very abusive and obsessed with you going back to his country so he can control you. It would be hell for you and your daughter. Stay safe and stay here. Flowers

LIZS · 27/06/2019 20:23

If you block him he will have to make a real effort to see your dd including applying to court for legal access. Frankly I suspect he is full of hot air and won't bother. Does he have any residency rights in UK without you?

wanderer92 · 27/06/2019 20:40

I definitely want to get legal advice because I don’t feel particularly safe since making the decision to stay. But I have family here that are back and forth with their opinion on him and whether he should have access to her. He honestly did nothing for the arrival of my daughter but seems completely obsessed with speaking to her everyday whilst I hold the phone and all he says is he will see her soon. He doesn’t talk to me about her development and he’s never been a supportive partner, It’s only now I have put my foot down and had a break in contact (she’s 4 months old) that I feel like myself again for the first time in months. He had to be sponsored to get his first travel visa now I’m not sure if he would need additional support to visit in the future he’s already talking about coming at Christmas. I have huge anxiety about the thought of him coming here. He said he insists on staying in my home if he comes to visit and it’s really not going to happen I don’t know what he is capable of. He did not tell me when he signed for me to be restrained and injected, he watched as these strangers dragged me away and I really don’t think I can be near him again. I just genuinely feel confused about it all

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RandomMess · 27/06/2019 20:50

He can be be a father to her because he lives abroad, if he wants contact he will have to arrange supervised contact in a contact centre.

Basically tell him if he wants ANY contact (including phone) he needs to go via the UK courts. Then block him.

wanderer92 · 27/06/2019 21:01

Ok that sounds like the safest option and focus on a stable environment for my daughter to grow up in in the mean time. I always felt his ignorance and controlling behaviour would damage her more than him being absent. I would prefer to deal with court in the future if he goes down that route than try to navigate through contact by myself. I also suspect he won’t bother because it will cost him money but then he’s pretty persistent so it’s still a possibility.

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lrh3891 · 27/06/2019 21:38

Do NOT take your daughter to his country. Ever. Whatever you do.

Do NOT let him stay at your place

If he has no right of residence in the UK there isn't much he can do about getting custody. He sounds absolutely awful and dangerous, not to mention unhinged.

Protect yourself and your daughter. She doesn't need him.

wanderer92 · 28/06/2019 10:31

Thanks for the advice x

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