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Partner in high conflict divorce

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WhereisFlashGordon · 26/05/2019 21:06

This is a long one - sorry. But I need some perspective. My partner of almost a year is going through a very high conflict divorce.

It has taken a long time for him to actually start divorcing his ex. The marriage was abusive and she is highly manipulative and controlling. She wanted to keep up the pretence of a marriage for their child, while discreetly seeing others on the side and sharing childcare and two homes. So basically living a sort of sham marriage. Kind of separated. Kind of not.

He says that he wasn’t happy with this arrangement (which it seems was assumed and not properly voiced). He moved out to his own place and they started living separate places with some crossover for childcare - while both seeing other people (casually it seems). He had a brief relationship prior to me which he was forced to stop because she didn’t like it. He gave in.

Then a few months later he met me. And wanted a long term relationship. Initially we kept things secret. Once she found out she reacted violently (literally).

Now the divorce is well underway it’s becoming very very difficult. Mediation has been a nightmare (he shouldn’t even be doing it as it’s a DV case) and they have now ended up in email and solicitors letters slanging matches. Court is now on the cards. She simply will not negotiate.

I’ve been through a divorce myself and come out the other side so I know how stressful it can be.

But the biggest issue right now is this:

When he told their child about us she was happy initially. She wanted to know all about me and my kids, our dog etc. She was smiling. She was happy for him.

Soon after that her mother ‘put her right’ and she started saying things like “your new family” and distancing herself from him.

We waited 8 months to introduce each other - had a relaxed day out with the kids together - and she said she liked us. Said she would see us again soon. That evening her mother hit the roof and changed her mind. Again.

Her mother will not allow her daughter to have any part in our lives. So since then she has said she doesn’t want to meet us ever, we aren’t her family (I know this is true actually) and that her Dad being with someone else is basically unacceptable. His daughter has said that he should wait until she goes to college (in 3 years) and then he can have another relationship. She’s 12. But this is exactly what her mother has said several times.

When he pointed out that he would be lonely and unhappy living like that it didn’t seem to make any difference. He finds it difficult to talk to her about these issues. She clams up.

My partner is now feeling that he has to make a straight choice between his daughter and a relationship with me.

It’s pretty clear that his Ex would love to split us up and her tactics now seem to be working.

I love him dearly and up until recently I always thought there was a future ahead with him. Now I’m not sure. I really don’t know what to do.

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NorthernSpirit · 27/05/2019 00:02

Mother is being totally unreasonable. What the dad does, introduces his daughter to has nothing to do with her.

The mother doesn’t get yo control or dictate.

He needs to go to court to get a contact order.

Emerald4512 · 27/05/2019 00:05

If you both give in, what does that teach his daughter? Will she then become a product of her mother? Something to think about xx

Twillow · 27/05/2019 01:14

I'm not sure how long a contact order takes, or how much it costs. But she is 12 and coming into an age when she can begin to make decisions for herself although I understand that she is under adverse pressure.
What I would advise is that dad keeps up contact currently by phone/text (presuming not blocked?) and keep messages breezy, loving, full of info about his life but NOT arguing directly with anything the mother says to the daughter. It will not help his daughter to get further involved in the conflict between the adults. She needs to know that he loves her, supports her emotionally, and will always be there for her when she needs him.
In time she will make up her own mind and with a mother the way she sounds she will need a kind, genuine, rational parent - so let him show himself like that.
How do I know? At 13 my DD decided to distance herself from her own abusive father, after years of her standing up for him - the scales finally fell from her eyes.

RubberTreePlant · 27/05/2019 01:48

When he told their child about us she was happy initially. She wanted to know all about me and my kids, our dog etc. She was smiling. She was happy for him.

Soon after that her mother ‘put her right’ and she started saying things like “your new family” and distancing herself from him.

TBF, it sounds as though she's coming under pressure from both sides.

The poor child is in the middle of the 'high conflict divorce' uu mention. Nobody should be monotoring her reactions so closely, or expecting adult emotions from her, ot trying to 'recruit' her to their 'side'.

Her dad needs to pursue a fixed contact schedule, legally.

You need to back off.

WhereisFlashGordon · 27/05/2019 10:35

Yes RubberTreePlant - I agree and completely understand that - she’s stuck in the middle under great pressure. It’s confusing and traumatic for her.

My DP wanted her to have counselling (a neutral space to make sense of things) and tried to arrange it - but her mother refused to consent and says it’s not necessary.

He tries not to put any pressure on when they are together but feels he has to respond when she says something that is not true or hurtful.

Meanwhile her mother is constantly talking to her about the divorce. Including blatant lies about him deserting her and me being this that and the other.

I agree no pressure but it’s very hard when she just parrots her mother and it’s clear she’s being influenced and taken ‘sides’.

Her mother wants her to attend mediation soon and to state her wishes. But she’s clearly been coached. It seems that his only choice is to either let that happen and hope she sees what’s happened in the future - or to go to court and let CAFCASS deal with the situation.

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WhereisFlashGordon · 27/05/2019 10:40

As for ME backing off. I have. I’ve met her twice and given up. I’m not going to even try any more. She clearly doesn’t want to know us and believes her father has deserted her for me and my family.

There’s no point in suggesting any shared plans until she expresses a wish to. I know that. I’ve backed off already.

The trouble with that situation is my DP has no choice but to live a life in two parts. Something that makes him very unhappy and he feels guilty about. Guilty for wanting to be a free man from his wife (and consequently his child) effectively. I’ve no idea how I can help him deal with that.

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RubberTreePlant · 27/05/2019 11:53

Just give it time.

IsItBetter · 27/05/2019 21:27

You need your partner to get a proper child arrangements order with a defined schedule, preferably through agreement via mediation. This will stop his ex from arbitrarily stopping the child from seeing him if he doesn't do as he's told.

If a child arrangement cannot be agreed through mediation your partner will need to make a court application for a CAO.

At the age of 12+ the child's wishes will carry a lot of weight as to where she wants to live.

Is there a current schedule as to when he sees her?

WhereisFlashGordon · 27/05/2019 21:43

There’s absolutely no schedule - it’s entirely at his Ex’s whim and gets changed last minute often. He’s had no contact for two weeks and then almost 10 days in a row. It’s a nightmare. And it’s causing us issues in our relationship because nothing can be planned and I’ve been comprising with this situation (and the knock on affect with my own children) for a year.

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WhereisFlashGordon · 27/05/2019 21:45

He’s continually asked for a regular arrangement in mediation. She’s ignore or refused to discuss it. I think she enjoys causing chaos and drama - there’s an ongoing stream of communication Biden then about times and dates.

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WhereisFlashGordon · 27/05/2019 21:46

Between NOT Biden!

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Otter71 · 27/05/2019 22:50

All I can say is I feel the pain. A mediated agreement doesn't help much if teenage child doesn't want it, even if that not wanting to do it is being encouraged by the dominant partner... Good luck

WhereisFlashGordon · 27/05/2019 23:13

Does anyone else have any advice / experience of how long it might take for a 12 year old to start to realise they are being manipulated and lied to by one parent? I’m bracing myself for being blamed for her parents divorce forever...

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bengalcat · 31/05/2019 10:39

Children aren’t stupid and they see things a lot more clearly than adults do and for what they are . Poor kid being exposed to such a destructive toxic environment . As others have said he should continue to maintain what contact he can with her be it phone/ text/ email . He should make an appointment with her school teacher/ head and let them know what is happening - my child’s school always asks parents to let them know if there are any changes at home which may affect a child . He needs to give his solicitor a kick up the rear and get on with finalising the divorce / court order for contact ( bearing in mind at 12 the court will pay attention to the child’s wishes ) . There’s always two sides to a story but unless there are safeguarding issues for a child it is my absolute view that keeping a child from and badmouthing their other parent is absolutely not on and indirectly if you trash a child’s mother / father you’re trashing them . Good luck .

WhereisFlashGordon · 31/05/2019 11:04

Bengalcat - he’s doing all of the above.
I think we just have to wait for his Daughter to figure it all out for herself. Which is incredibly difficult with her mother being the main carer currently and constantly dripping poison in her ear.
I’m trying to help him to accept that this may be our lot for the foreseeable future - rather than it being a choice between me or his child - he needs to learn how to cope with his life in two parts for the time being. He desperately wants her blessing yet she is adamant he should wait until she’s at college before he starts a new relationship (which difference college makes I’m not entirely sure).

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