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My ex wants me to stay in her flat when she’s away to look after our daughter

20 replies

BumblingDad · 29/11/2018 13:03

Bit of a long post this as it’s a complicated situation…

My ex and I have been separated for over four years (divorce on the cards finally). At first we shared a house, then I moved into a flat, now she and our daughter are in another town two hours away, where our daughter is in a private school. I still live in the house. We can only just about afford the school, but our daughter is thriving there so we’re trying to make it work.

My ex is away for work a lot, so the arrangement we came up with (because of my job’s flexibility – I’m a freelancer) is me going and staying in her flat to look after our daughter while she’s away.

This worked fine until I met someone and I’m now trying to build a new relationship. She understandably isn’t too happy about me spending time in my ex’s flat. I’ve suggested to my ex that we change things and that I could perhaps rent out the house and move nearby and rent a flat and our daughter can stay with me when she’s away. My ex is dead against this idea as she says we had an agreement and that its disruptive for our daughter to be moving between two places – she needs stability, etc. She also thinks it’s not unreasonable – especially in the ‘early days’ of a new relationship – for my new partner not to mind me staying in her flat.

I should add that I had a brief relationship last year/early this year and that my ex was quite difficult about it, worrying that I was rushing into something and would abandon our agreement and run off into the subset with a new family. That fear is here again I think – she worries that if I get involved with this this new person I’ll be somehow less ‘committed’ to my daughter.

I should also add, in my ex’s defence, that the move to the new town and school was very disruptive for her. She did have to sacrifice a lot to do it – she didn’t know anyone in the new town and feels quite lonely. So I do feel guilty about wanting to change things now, after the big upheaval.

My main questions are:

  1. Is it reasonable for my ex to expect me to honour my original commitment to always be there in her flat when she’s away (possibly for the next 4 years) – even though I’ve met someone new?
  2. Is she right not to expect our daughter to have ‘two homes’ and not to have to move between our two places when she’s away (because it’s disruptive)?
  3. Is she putting a guilt trip on me about our daughter to prevent me from moving on?
  4. If I do insist on changing things, am I being a bad person who has betrayed her by going back on our original agreement?
  5. Are we really separated?

Any advice would be welcome!

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BumblingDad · 29/11/2018 13:25

Just to clarify, our daughter is 12 (in Year 8).

My ex and I have been married for over 20 years - we separated over four years ago but just never got round to getting divorced! We will start the process soon though.

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BendingSpoons · 29/11/2018 13:31

You split up, she moved 2 hours away, you have offered to move too and she is cross? It is unreasonable to complain about your daughter staying at yours, especially if you are being flexible and moving. I see there are benefits to your daughter the way things are but you shouldn't be tied to staying at her house.

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee · 29/11/2018 13:36

Your daughter is 12 so I don’t think moving between houses is an issue.

I think you can get your own house and not worry about it.
Your new partner seems a bit daft to worry about you staying at your ex’s though.

Hope you can sort it out ok. It sounds like you’ve both mostly worked well together so far.

user1499173618 · 29/11/2018 13:44

You are separated, soon to be divorced. Your ex wife has moved to live two hours from you and your daughter goes to school near her mother’s home. Your ex wife travels a lot for work and requires flexible childcare. You provide this flexible childcare by living in your exwife’s new home when you are needed. You are looking for a new relationship and your new girlfriend doesn’t like you spending time in your ex wife’s home. Your ex wife has expressed her disapproval at your attempts to build a new relationship.

Your ex wife is taking the piss!

FaithFrank · 29/11/2018 13:50
  1. It is reasonable for arrangements to change. What is good for an 8 year old might not be right for a teenager. You moving to live nearer to your dd sounds like it would be beneficial to her.
  2. Many kids of divorced parents have two homes, it's entirely normal. I can't say whether it would be good for your dd, you will have to make your own judgement about that.
  3. None of us can say what your ex's motiviation is, but your focus should be on what is best for your dd.
  4. Guilt is not productive. As above, focus on what is best for your dd.
  5. Press on with the divorce.
averythinline · 29/11/2018 13:51

If you can move to the town where they are then that gives you options as things move forward as your daughter grows up she will want to probably stay local more to be with friends etc
but sharing your ex wifes house is confusing...your last question is quite telling..
if you get a decent sized 2 bed then your daughter can have her own space and it is clearly your place

it is not up to your ex wife about dating etc - understandable she may not want you to introduce people quickly as that will be very hard on your daughter but she has no say over your relationships..

user1499173618 · 29/11/2018 13:55

FWIW I think it’s a lot more confusing and damaging for your DD for you to be at your ex wife’s beck and call, including you staying in her home, than for your DD to have two separate homes with healthy boundaries. Your ex wife is using emotional blackmail to control you. Is that the example you want to give your DD?

BumblingDad · 29/11/2018 14:56

Thank you everyone for your comments so far. Very helpful!

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LemonTT · 29/11/2018 18:07

Your daughter is entitled to a relationship with you and you are entitled to live where you want and with whom you want. Your ex wife cannot dictate how you live or how you spend time with your daughter.

This is not good for your ex wife either, she needs to move on in her life too. Part of that is accepting you are no longer her husband and she cannot dictate any of the above.

The current situation is odd and exceptional. Most separated or divorced parents do not live this way and there is no need for you to. Sort this out as part of your divorce. Don't hide behind your new partner's opinion either. This must come from you and be about how you want to parent your daughter.

beachyhead · 29/11/2018 18:12

Will you be able to maintain your new relationship if you move 2 hours away to be close to your daughter?

BumblingDad · 29/11/2018 18:19

Hi beachhead - yup, the person I'm seeing actually lives closer to where my ex lives than I do now.

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woolduvet · 29/11/2018 18:41

I think maybe your attitude needs to change, did you ask her opinion on any of this?
Inform her nicely of your plans when they're a done deal.
Ask your daughters input if appropriate.
This is your new life.

Halloweenallyearround · 29/11/2018 21:15

Why does his attitude need to change? You two need to co parent but at the same time live separate life's. You new partner isn't being unreasonable for not wanting you to stay at your ex's. Your wife still wants control.
Using what's right for your child to get your own way isn't right and the move was stressful but your dd got through it and needs to learn to get through other upcoming issues. Which will make her a stronger person.

AnaLondon · 29/11/2018 22:06

You have been very flexible and supportive by the sounds of it.

What I don't understand is why does your gf have a problem with you staying in your ex's house? Would she prefer the alternative of you moving to actually live permanently near your ex? Have you discussed it with your girlfriend ? Is she going to move to a new town too two hours away from where you are now? (I'm assuming she lives in your town).

A lot of children have to put up with living between two homes it's just part of the deal when your parents get divorced. Some children especially girls can be really attached to where they stay. There's a high chance she won't like staying at yours and having pack her things etc every few weeks and that might spoil your relationship with her. If you are seriously considering doing it, ask her too how she'd feel about it. Although kids are adaptable and resilient and if that's what you think is best for you all, then just do it.

But honestly, your ex wife is very fortunate to be in situation where you have the flexibility to help on a short notice. If you had rigid custody arrangements what would she even do when she had to go away for work?

Tbh I think both your gf and your ex wife are being unreasonable and you are trying to fit it and be flexible for both of them. Good on you!

woolduvet · 30/11/2018 08:50

I was wondering if he had asked her if it was ok as opposed to telling exw it was happening.

BumblingDad · 30/11/2018 09:33

Thanks again for all your comments - very helpful!

Just to answer your question, woolduvet, yes - I have been discussing it with my exw - I didn't just tell her it was happening!

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RagingWhoreBag · 30/11/2018 09:51

would abandon our agreement and run off into the subset with a new family. That fear is here again I think – she worries that if I get involved with this this new person I’ll be somehow less ‘committed’ to my daughter.

To a certain extent she’s right though - what has worked well for you both is now changing because you’re in a new relationship. You both agreed this was best for your DD but now (because it isn’t best for your GF) you’re changing the plan.

HOWEVER - that’s not to say you shouldn’t change it.

My ex stays in my house when I go away because it’s easier for the 3 DCs not I have to uproot their lives and live out of a ruck sack for days on end. He has a small place that doesn’t have a room for them so one ends up on the sofa, plus I have cats so he feeds them while I’m away too.

Your suggestion sounds very sensible to me, living closer, having somewhere which is also your DD’s home and making her welcome at both homes. Some parents have a house/flat which is the child’s home and then the parents take turns living there or in another joint property, so it’s them that do the upheaval rather than the child.

However that sounds fraught with issues if you don’t agree on fundamentals about tidiness, decorating etc but also if you want to move on with a new partner - which you both have every right to do.

People are territorial animals and staying somewhere where your partner’s ex lives and sleeps feels very odd indeed. I don’t even like staying at my DP’s house, as it’s full of stuff from his ex and makes me feel like she’s still there. If it was actually her house I would hate it, and would feel niggled by him being comfortable there among her things, with the smell of her around. AngryEnvy

1.Is it reasonable for my ex to expect me to honour my original commitment to always be there in her flat when she’s away (possibly for the next 4 years) – even though I’ve met someone new? no, things change, people move on. As long as you factor your DD into any decisions you make, you don’t have to stick to something that no longer works for you.

2.Is she right not to expect our daughter to have ‘two homes’ and not to have to move between our two places when she’s away (because it’s disruptive)? no, two HOMES is perfect - one home and one place you stay sometimes without any of your favourite things is a bit shit, but sadly the reality of many DCs, my own included. Two proper homes is ideal.

3.Is she putting a guilt trip on me about our daughter to prevent me from moving on? yes, sounds like that’s it.

4.If I do insist on changing things, am I being a bad person who has betrayed her by going back on our original agreement? no, your life has changed and you’re being considerate of your new GF as well as your DD - as well as your ex because you’re not expecting her to pick up any more parenting responsibility or to move herself or to stop going away for work etc You’re enabling her to continue in the same way, relying on you to facilitate her career, but doing it in a way that suits you too.

5.Are we really separated?. Maybe in her heart this is another cut to the tie that binds you and it’s making her difficult. She needs to accept that it’s over and work with you to find a solution that is good for you all. If she gets a new DP I’m sure he won’t want you in his place either.

Woodviolet · 02/12/2018 19:48

Why doesn't your gf like you staying at your ex's?

BumblingDad · 04/12/2018 16:13

Hi Woodviolet - I guess it's a combination of things, including my ex's seeming unwillingness to accept that I'm moving on and her antagonistic attitude towards my new partner.

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mummmy2017 · 04/12/2018 21:34

I think your moving nearer to you DD is a brilliant idea.
Due to her make sure you buy on the bus route to the school, give her a key and watch her flourish.
Find the house take your DD to viewings...
Enjoy her being able to visit you because she wants too.

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