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how to get through this with my sanity intact

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JugglingaBoxofFrogs · 28/07/2018 20:46

I am in my late 50's and divorcing my husband of 25 years. We have two DC's aged 22 and 18, both of whom still live with me. My 18 year old has been accepted in our local Uni in September. Neither of them want anything to do with their Dad, because of his covertly aggressive behaviour towards all of us.

He walked out last year, when he realised that he had leeched everything he could from me, emotionally and financially, and I had nothing else that he wanted.

The biggest problem I have to deal with currently is his over inflated sense of entitlement along with the fact that he is a prolific manipulator and liar.

At his request, I got two property valuations, both of which were around the same amount. I asked him, via my solicitor, if we could do a financial disclosure by letter with documents to back it up and he refused stating that he "wasn't comfortable" with that. He also ranted in his reply that the applicant (me) earned considerably more than he did and he needed to know the full extent of my finances. He said that he would only accept half the value of the house and because I would be staying here, the value would only increase. Ok then....

Of course, if he hadn't asked me to stop talking about my working life because he found it boring, he would have known full well that my earnings are less than his (we both have our own little businesses, and I have always done his bookwork, so I know where he is financially).

He refused to accept my valuations because they are too low for his liking, and he arranged for his own estate agent to visit, accompanied by him. I cannot be in the same room as him because my anxiety goes into overload, so my sister stepped in. I emailed his estate agent to get a copy of the valuation and it was 50K more than both of mine. I had to get a little clever with this and asked how much I could add to the value if the house was decorated (it's been left to go to pot for a number of years and is in poor condition). The estate agent replied that the valuation he gave was based on the house being decorated to a very high standard, so it's obvious that STBX pulled the "my wife is trying to screw me" card. In any event, I have it in writing that the valuation is not accurate. To cover myself, I paid to have a RICS valuation done, which also came in at the same value as the two I already had.

He kept going on about the Form E, so I got that completed and ready. It took him a further two months to do his and the reason for the delay was given as "your client (me) has mislaid much of our clients necessary paperwork". I am used to being blamed for his ineptitude so didn't even bat an eyelid at this. He is the type when, if something good happens, it's always because of him and, if anything bad happens, it's always because of me.

Because he refuses to pay a solicitor, preferring to keep his money to indulge his car obsession, he has used the services of a Mackenzie Friend. Now, I have nothing against them, they do provide a service for people, but because my STBX is so manipulative and can twist everything to suit himself, I think she has been taken in by him and, from the tone of the correspondence, it looks like he tells her what to say, and that's exactly what she does.

He has completed the form E himself and I don't think she's even seen it. As expected, he has used it to rant about what a terrible person I am. He inferred that I have been financially abusive and I had to spend an hour with my Sol to defend myself (I understand that she needs to know that I am not hiding anything). Thankfully I had lots of paperwork to prove he was wrong, but it was still difficult to get through. He has downvalued his classic car by 2/3rds and has omitted to put a value on his garage equipment and parts collection (although he has mentioned that he will need to rent somewhere to keep it all safe). He has not provided all of his bank statements and for some reason, the money in his ISA is not his..... (yes, I know what he's doing).

Under the capital needs section, he has basically written his demands as follows:

Half of the original deposit on the house (plus interest)
Half of the mortgage payments to go back to him
Half of the money he put into the joint account for the last 10 years
Oh yes, and half of the market value of the house.

This comes to 150% of the current market value which is just silly.

I'm currently sitting here feeling that no matter what I do, I am going to lose everything to a man who has spent our whole marriage lying to me, manipulating and gaslighting me. My Sol keeps saying that she does understand my position, but she says I really need to work out where I'm going to get the funds from if I want to buy him out. I can't get a mortgage - I've tried. I'm not confident that I can get a job either. I've been out of the jobs market for 20 years and who would want to employ an over-anxious 58 year old woman with hypertension??

At some point, somebody is (hopefully) going to point out to him that he is being incredibly unreasonable and that he cannot expect me to sell my home and give him 150% of what we get for it. Sadly, once he realises that, he's going to pull another rabbit out of the hat and accuse me of some other heinous actions and so it will continue until he gets his own way.

What a pickle. Sad

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mineofuselessinformation · 31/07/2018 20:39

Oh, and I lost a lot of 'me' too. I've got most of it back - and feel a lot stronger for it.

Twillow · 31/07/2018 22:17

As he hasn't got a solicitor to curb his inflated ego, he is going to be in for a big shock at court. Possibly they will order him to pay costs if he is causing unnecessary work for everyone!
I know how it takes over and strikes at the heart with razor-sharp injustice every time you receive more rubbish demands and arsey letters from him - I let it take me over a bit, but now it's over I can look back and wish I hadn't wasted so much of my emotional energy on it. Although it had the effect of ensuring that I was never in any way shape or form tempted to take him back Grin

Moanranger · 01/08/2018 00:22

Box you will have good days & you will get through this. His position is utter nonsense & typical of a long-term gaslighter. Have some phrase or imagery to repeat that grounds you. Mine was imagining tiny little him in a tiny little boat, drifting out to sea & disappearing over the horizon. Effective.

JugglingaBoxofFrogs · 05/08/2018 21:10

Moanranger I tried that for a couple of days last week, and it helped. Sacked my SOL as I feel I am just a money spinning exercise to her. Secured a new proactive SOL and felt so much more confident come Friday.

I have however suffered anxiety over the weekend as a result of Knobhead deciding that he had to collect some "stuff" on Friday evening. Apparently he was going away with his BF on Wednesday and needed a tent. We have three. He took all of them.

When he came round, I had drawn the blinds and locked the doors. I don't want him to see me and I don't want to see him. Both of our children were home and neither of them wanted to see him. I am sure that pissed him right off, but you reap what you sow.

I have heard that he is not now going away. So now I'm wondering if it was another of his "remove by stealth" operations because he bought all of the tents (one of which cost £500) and they belong to him (in his head) Am I wrong to think that he's taking family property, even though he paid for it? Doing my own head in......

While he was here, he also took pictures of things which he thinks I should have disclosed, but which actually don't belong to me. So, I'm going to have another issue which that. How do you argue with stupid?

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JugglingaBoxofFrogs · 06/08/2018 20:34

Pfft... and now he's started bad mouthing me to my youngest sons boss. He was cornered today and was asked if the reason he doesn't speak to STBX is because I have turned him against his dad.

Poor chap was in a really difficult situation as a result because he doesn't want his boss trying to get him to talk to his dad. What STBX doesn't realise is that the more he does this, the more DS will refuse to see him. DS is quite clever and has worked out exactly what his dad is. He really doesn't want to see him or talk to him. It's not like I can put a gun to his head and make him, although I have tried to encourage him to keep in contact. He just shrugs his shoulders and says "Why? He doesn't care about anybody but himself". Sad He also calls him by a few choice names, which I will not repeat here...Blush

What a mess. Sad

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mineofuselessinformation · 06/08/2018 20:57

Your poor DS.
If he's able to say it for himself, tell him to just say 'I don't want to talk about it'.
Sorry that it happened. All you can do is to support your son.
My dcs were quite young when xh left, so that was never an issue for me, but I can imagine it really pulls at your heartstrings.
As for the camping equipment, funnily enough XH did the same - took it all.
I let him get on with it because there was nothing appealing about camping with two youngish children on my own at the time!
It's up to you whether or not you want to bring it up, because it is marital property.
I did have one nasty incident where xh had bought a bike for the youngest dc, but not a helmet. I refused him taking the one from home because I figured he had already picked and chosen what else he would take (his 'play car' and all of the solid silver for example), and was quite happy to leave all of the crap and remnants of around twenty years of marriage (which I had to sort through and dispose of when I finally moved), as his mother was moving and he had his pick of her furniture.
The one thing I have never forgiven him for taking is the lock of hair from dc2 which I saved when they had their first haircut.
Sorry if that's a bit of a ramble, but I wanted to let you know you are not alone when you deal with this kind of shit - there are others of us too.

Twillow · 08/08/2018 21:36

Lol tents must be a thing! Mine wouldn't even lend us the unused tent (left him in the house) even though he hates camping.

JugglingaBoxofFrogs · 09/08/2018 11:40

TBH I don't really care about the tents. I just find it silly that he needed to take all three. He's gone away with his BF and taken the smallest one and left the other two in his work unit.

I've decided I'm going to padlock the side gate so he cannot get down to the shed and I'm going to park my car up against the garage door so he can't get in there. If he wants any of his toys, he'll have to tell me what he wants and I'll get it out and leave it on the drive for him.

He has now withdrawn financial support for DD who starts uni in September. He was putting £80 a month into her bank account but has now decided he doesn't want to do that any more. Didn't tell her, just stopped paying. Angry He hasn't made any other financial contributions since he walked out in November.

She only realised he'd stopped paying yesterday, so we had to have a bit of a chat about him. I asked her if there was anything anybody could say or do to persuade her to have contact with him. She said that the only way she would consider it is if a Health Professional confirmed to her that he was having "treatment" and making progress.

Sadly it's one of those "how do you know when he's lying?". Answer: "when he opens his mouth" situations, and she doesn't want to be exposed to that. I feel Sad that neither of the DC's have ever had a proper father/child relationship with him. They have just been possessions to him, to be wheeled out when it suited him.

Not quite sure how I'm going to manage financially once DD's CB and tax credits stop at the end of the month. Never mind, who needs money anyway Grin

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