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Divorce/separation

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Wondering if I wasn't given sound legal advice

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squishy · 02/04/2016 11:43

I sought advice from a solicitor when planning how to separate from husband. I have nothing in pension (paid into for a year, but nothing there, so she said exclude); we have a house and that's pretty much it. I work (always have, always paid all the bills); he doesn't (hasn't mostly for the last 15 years, since moving in to house - he's done occasional work as self employed but never shared what he's earned or contributed to bills/childcare I've incurred to let him do that); he has been stay at home parent in that he's picked up/dropped children off at school/preschool and looked after them - he's not played with them/taken them out lots/been engaging and he's not looked after the house/shopping/planning what to eat, I've still done all that.

Children are 9 and 4; hubby is 40 and I'm thereabouts (!). He's just starting a business but again had no plans to bring money into the house, just to support himself.

So, my plan (after the legal advice) was to get house valued, deduct shared debt and remaining mortgage and then work out what amount there is in equity to split and how to split it. She advised 50/50 would be the most I'd have to give him and advised I start at 60/40 (my favour) as I will still have children, child care costs, capital repayments etc; she advised we then get a deed of separation to 'finalise' financial arrangements and then divorce after 2 years. She warned that, during this time, if either won the lottery or parents died, the other would be entitled to half.

She also warned me he may try to go for custody/ claim to be residential parent and then claim both child and spousal maintenance. I didn't think he would and he hasn't.

So, now we're in a position where I'm remortgaging, we're getting house valued, I've explained the plan - he wants as much as he can (given that he has no credit rating and won't be walking away with enough to buy a house outright and hasn't got income to demonstrate being able to pay a mortgage) and I want what's fair for me (given that he's unlikely to pay my childcare costs - which will go up - or any maintenance for the children).

However, I don't want to 'screw him over' - he is starting from scratch although he will take what he needs from the house and I will replace (don't think it's fair he goes to an rented, unfurnished house with nothing and I stay here with everything) and ultimately I want him to have a place where our children can eventually go and stay with him.

BUT I've recently been reading threads about quicker divorces, consent orders where judges can decide our settlement isn't enough (for him). And I'm worried. There's nothing apart from him that's stopped him from earning - but he doesn't earn anything. I don't want to pay him maintenance. I'm going to be doubling my mortgage payments and picking up more childcare costs - I don't think it's right that he gets any spousal maintenance from me.

I was planning to still go ahead with deed of separation (this happened very quickly for him and I think it'd be psychologically better than a quick divorce) and assume I don't need a consent order - do I need to go and get better/more advice?

Not sure if this is relevant, but he told me last night he is intending re-registering for child benefits (he had to stop when I had a promotion - I put the child benefit in his name as he would get an NI contribution from it, which he's never paid into) - even though he won't be having the children for more than ad hoc stays, certainly in the first year or 2 (his choice due to him throwing his energy into the business). I guess that's not my business - unless it's likely to have someone say 'hang on, this poor guy should be getting maintenance' - OR, worse, hang on, they should be living with their dad (which they don't want to; he doesn't want full time and I don't want).

OP posts:
NameChange30 · 03/04/2016 09:08

Ah ok, you must be earning quite a bit more than £50k.

Eustace2016 · 03/04/2016 09:41

If you b oth agree it and sign it he can get out of it later (if you are in England). That is English law. If however the court orders a sum or more commonly you and he reach agreement and the court stamps your final consent order (which by the way get after decree nisi but before absolute if possible) then that IS final as long as it is a clean break with neither of you paying even a penny of spousal maintenance to the other. Our consent order says the person the children lives with pays for them (unusual but I earn more and the children live with me) and whoever they live with I pay the school fees. We did negotiate between each other and used solicitors ( I paid for his and mine) just to check things and draw up the consent order and file it at court (and do a property transfer - we owned our house in joint names and what took longest of all was the conveyancing (!) and he was advised not to move out until that was done - so that was mortgage transfer into my sole name, him off the mortgage, large capital sum transferred to him.

I don't get child benefit either. There is no point in claiming if you are well over the limit and no chance of being under although I do claim it and pay it back to annoy the state I suppose.....

Someone said you don't have to [pay him to get legal advice. I am afraid it is very common that the richer party pays both sides legal bills (I did). Sometimes the lower earner will apply to the court for an interim payment to cover on going legal costs. In that case recently where the hippy 20 years on made an eco fortune and as there was either never a consent order or he lost it he paid his and his ex wife's legal fees and yes she could claim all those years on because he could not prove there hadb een a clean break court sealed consent order.
(By the way I was able to get a RC annulment fairly easily at Westminster Cathedral on our divorce so if that matters to your husband he might want to try, not that I've remarried. i don't think I'd ever move another man into my house again. It's too nice not having anyone around except the children)

Everytimeref · 03/04/2016 12:13

A deed of separation would hold some weight when you finally divorce if both sides can prove that there was full financial disclosure by both parties and both parties has separate legal advise at the time of signing. As he hasnt had independent legal advise even if he signed it he could get it set aside.
Both parties are considered to have the same housing needs ands it unlikely a court would rule that you have a owned property (even if its mortgaged to the hilt) and him to be expected to rent regardless of who the children live with.

babybarrister · 04/04/2016 10:47

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squishy · 06/04/2016 10:13

Thanks all, needed a day or 2 away from it all with my girls....has to be said this is all frying my head somewhat. I've had a word of mouth recommendation from someone else going through divorce now (albeit after 2 years apart, but that was their choice).

I have to say, Everytimeref, I would be freaking out if I was forced to sell this house just so we could be in the same boat as him; never heard this before but I'm also confident it's not something he would push.

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LuckyTr33 · 23/04/2016 13:25

I would divorce and go for a 100% clean break and quickly

"He wants to get back onto the property ladder" - I agree he needs to get a job and support himself if that is what he wants
How does he think everyone else pays ?

If you are not working, but looking after children or claiming JSA or ESA your NI stamp gets automatically paid

I would get some legal advise and start at 50:50 which I believe includes pensions, savings, house etc

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