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Grandmother with alcohol induced dementia - relationship with grandchild?

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clarebear111 · 26/07/2023 12:30

This is so much longer than I intended, and I am sorry! I would be so grateful for any comments/suggestions about how to handle this as it's a new situation for me.

My DP's mother has alcohol induced dementia, and is currently living in a care home. The condition she has isn't degenerative but the damage to her brain from drinking is severe enough that she can't live independently at the moment, and it is unlikely she will be able to live independently for the foreseeable future (if ever again). Her short term memory has evaporated and she can't retain anything recent. She will forget that someone has visited her the day before, for example.

She was a heavy drinker and (truthfully) a functioning alcoholic for many years. My DS is a toddler, so has no memories of her at the moment, which I am grateful for, because I do not think she is a particularly nice person, quite aside from the alcohol dependency, and she has not been a good mother to my DP.
Sadly she was never interested in getting treatment or help with her alcohol dependency when it was flagged to her, by DP, her relatives, her doctors etc - no one seemed to be able to get through to her that her drinking was a huge problem, or it may be that she simply didn't care.

The last time we saw her before she was admitted, she suggested meeting for lunch. I didn't realise it was a pub until we got there. I sat through the lunch with her, her then partner, my DP, DS and two of her sisters (who I actually get on well with) but found the whole thing really unpleasant. In short, she was not kind to my DS. He was only 2 at the time and she expected him to sit still and be quiet for the hour and a half long meal, whilst she and her partner drank their pints. She told me my DS must get his inability to sit still from me (rich coming from her, given she has never told my DP who his dad is, so who gets what from where is a sensitive issue), and that my DP wasn't like it when he was younger (because he was always dragged into pubs with her and apparently he just sat through it). I said that most pubs are not family friendly places for children, so we don't take DS there, because it's not fair on young children to bring them into an adult environment and expect them to enjoy it. She asked me where else we could have gone (!), and I replied by saying that I don't live in the same country as her so it's not up to me to pick a child friendly venue. I pointed out that she lives near a beach and we could have gone there but it was too cold for that apparently.

She also mocked my DS's accent (him and I speak with an English accent, and she is Irish) by saying 'Mate, mate', even though we've never said mate, and was complaining that my DS doesn't like her dog, saying everyone loves her dog etc. At this point, I'd had enough and said to her and her DP, who were waxing lyrical about their amazing dog, that my son was 2 years old, not used to be around dogs or in pubs and that a little tolerance from those who are considerably older goes a long way. I spoke exclusively to everyone else for the rest of the meal because I just couldn't trust myself not to lose my temper with her.

She is now in a home and went though a phase of calling me constantly, asking where she was, when she was going home etc. I spoke to her as much as I could, but it became too much so I've had to stop answering. A lot of her family members are in the same boat, as she will call constantly, and won't remember the previous conversation at all. She calls and messages my DP to the extent that he's had to block her number, so he now calls her once every two days to speak to her. Her partner has left her, so we don't talk to him much anymore, but he said she did the same to him and he ended up blocking her number too.

My question is, do I take my DS to see her when we go to the country where she is to visit the rest of DP's family? The rest of his family are very nice people, and I am doing all I can to encourage positive relationships between them and my DS. It's just her. I'm worried that she will say or do something that will frighten or upset DS, who is 3 now, and I don't know if there's much point in taking the risk. She also never showed a great deal of interest in DS, which is obviously quite painful to witness as a mother. But then she is his grandmother.

What would you do in this situation?

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Theblacksheepandme · 26/07/2023 12:37

I wouldn't bring your son to see her. Why put your son through this? She sounds awful.

BonjourCrisette · 26/07/2023 12:41

I honestly wouldn't bother. What will either of them get out of it?

rookiemere · 26/07/2023 12:45

What does your DP want to do ?

Seasideanticscanleadtosandybuckets · 26/07/2023 12:49

Send dp with a few photos of dc she can keep.

No need for her to see your dc irl imo.

Mummy08m · 26/07/2023 12:58

Don't take him.

My mum forced me to keep up a relationship with my dad out of some misplaced filial obligation even though he made me completely miserable and she knew how much I dreaded it. She did it to deflect him from accusing her of badmouthing him to us. (She didn't need to, we could see for ourselves how dreadful he is).

I'm going to sound harsh here but bear with me. If you do take him, it is actually a selfish act. You will be doing it so you don't get blamed for being a bad DIL. You will be doing it to get praise (or just feel righteous) for keeping up the relationship. All to the detriment of your DS's comfort and well-being. He will not benefit.

Lots of people on mumsnet say things like "but it's so important for kids to know their grandparents/dads" etc. This is only true if the grandparents/dads are nice, which the vast majority are, I'm sure. If they're nasty, which your MIL is, there's no benefit.

pecanpie101 · 26/07/2023 13:08

Seasideanticscanleadtosandybuckets · 26/07/2023 12:49

Send dp with a few photos of dc she can keep.

No need for her to see your dc irl imo.

This.
If I was in this situation I wouldn't be having any contact with her either. If your partner wants to speak/see his mum then he can, but you don't need to.

CreationNat1on · 26/07/2023 13:17

Don't visit her, if it upsets you, then it's not worth your time.

Who actually benefits from the visit, she won't remember it and neither will your DS in time. If your DP wants to bring his son to see her, then I wouldn't stop it, but understand in advance she is a sick woman, in addiction, her actions will be erratic and unpleasant because her mind isn't functioning properly.

It's possible she is on meds, which may have increased due to the nursing home needing to manage her, so she may be more calmed, dazed, sleepy. If you wanted you could call the N home to check how she is, before visiting.

Whatever way she is, she won't have undergone a personality transplant and an addiction recovery, have limited expectations.

DoughnutDreams · 26/07/2023 13:38

If you go there and she turns nasty, or creates a scene, your child will likely remember it forever. Don't put him at risk, there is absolutely no benefit to him.
As someone else suggested, send photos, perhaps one in a frame for her.

clarebear111 · 26/07/2023 14:18

Thanks all. It's really helpful to read these responses.

Sending a recent photo with DP is a good idea. We put together a photo album for her last time we were over, which was a few months ago, and that included photos of DS. I have no idea if she looks at it or not, but she hasn't mentioned it.

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clarebear111 · 26/07/2023 14:25

Mummy08m · 26/07/2023 12:58

Don't take him.

My mum forced me to keep up a relationship with my dad out of some misplaced filial obligation even though he made me completely miserable and she knew how much I dreaded it. She did it to deflect him from accusing her of badmouthing him to us. (She didn't need to, we could see for ourselves how dreadful he is).

I'm going to sound harsh here but bear with me. If you do take him, it is actually a selfish act. You will be doing it so you don't get blamed for being a bad DIL. You will be doing it to get praise (or just feel righteous) for keeping up the relationship. All to the detriment of your DS's comfort and well-being. He will not benefit.

Lots of people on mumsnet say things like "but it's so important for kids to know their grandparents/dads" etc. This is only true if the grandparents/dads are nice, which the vast majority are, I'm sure. If they're nasty, which your MIL is, there's no benefit.

I'm sorry you experienced this with your dad. It sounds like he was quite manipulative too if your mother felt she should take you to stop him badmouthing. Thank you for sharing your experience.

I hadn't really considered my motivations for considering a meeting. I think it is because my DS spends a lot of time with my mum and I didn't want to exclude DP's mum. But on reflection, I'm not sure what benefit there could be from a meeting, and I can there is scope for a lot of harm to be caused.

I also think I feel a bit guilty for disliking her so intensely, because she is my son's grandmother. I have no idea how she managed to raise someone as kind and loving as my DP, because she has lived a life of complete and utter selfishness.

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clarebear111 · 26/07/2023 15:50

rookiemere · 26/07/2023 12:45

What does your DP want to do ?

He doesn’t expect us to visit with him, and we haven’t so far. I don’t want him to feel unsupported by not going but he loves DS deeply and I think will understand if I say I don’t want to go this time either.

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