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Guilt keeps me here

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Notsuchaniceguy · 11/01/2025 12:34

I posted this in the divorce forum in a thread that a person would prefer remains a female only space so have asked for deletion from there and reposted below. I'm not sure it even needs or deserves an answer but I arrogantly would like to know what people think. A male perspective would be helpful. And me saying I am not safe means I know I am not safe for others to be near. I also think were I to initiate separation I may also be unsafe myself.

This is a helpful thread. I think there was one or a similar one 3 years ago when I tried and failed to separate from my wife. I still can't do it, the guilt is what stops me.

Married 20 years, no kids of our own, adult kids from previous marriages we ended in a sordid emotional affair. Moved in together straight away, damaged our children and tried to show the world it was 'true love'. Of course it wasn't, it was a toxic mess from day 1. Extreme jealousy from her, phone checked daily, accusations of other women, not allowed to speak to my ex wife unless she was present. Stropping off from me, driving away, saying it was over. These moments were awful. I'd try to leave the room, she would block the door, grab my arms. She bit me once. I yanked my arms out of her grip once and pushed her away, my hands on her neck. I know what that means about me. I am not safe.

After 8 years I conformed her worst fears and kissed someone when drunk. Someone I didn't want a relationship with. I confessed first thing next day. It was a passive aggressive way by me to trigger an ending but it didn't happen.

12 years later we live as housemates. We share a bed but no intimacy. Occasionally we talk of separating and three years ago we agreed to do so. My wife was ok with it until we looked at money. Then she was not, we agreed counselling. This did not go well, she ended it when counsellor said we could both make changes. She had expected counsellor to support her in it all being on me.

Now when separation is raised I am told that I will leave her in poverty and go on to a life of happiness. The reality is that I would be prepared to leave, rent, pay half the mortgage until house is sold, give her some f my salary to balance things out until divorce and am happy for my pension to be in the pot. Be as equitable as possible. We both work full time but I am the higher earner. £72k versus £40 both public sector.

That said, we would both be poor and two years ago she had a serious infection that was life threatening. She is recovered but it may have had long term effects. Subtle but possibly there.

So I sit with the belief that for me to be happier alone she must be unhappier alone. She is adamant she will be. Whilst she doesn't like me much in many ways, I do all the housework, life admin, organise most things, walk the dog. I'm not saying she does nothing but I do a lot more. I am a support person in some ways.

I don't have many friends now and if I make a new one she always has to meet them, be involved. So I don't really have anyone to talk to. I don't invoke my kids, they are both struggling due I'm sure to our affair and marriage. I just support now as best I can.

Part of me knows we deserve to be together to pay for past sins.

Sorry, just screaming into the void.

OP posts:
unsync · 11/01/2025 12:40

How old are you both? I would recommend separating, working out an equitable financial solution for both of you and getting help to deal with the guilt. You only get one life, you both deserve to live it rather than endure it.

Notsuchaniceguy · 11/01/2025 16:40

We are both 58. How do I justify increasing my happiness at the expense of someone else's?

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Winter2020 · 11/01/2025 16:49

Reading your post I expected you to say your wife was a stay at home partner or earned very little in a part time job. She earns 40k and can afford to support herself- lots of people do on less.

Anyone can end a relationship just because they want to - especially with no joint kids You have been unhappy for a long time and tried counselling already - just end it.

In the future, after your separation, your wife can choose to be happy with her life or unhappy - that's beyond your control and you are not responsible for either.

Danfootie · 11/01/2025 17:22

If it is holding you back in life and is taking a mental toll.Leave have the divorce and build your life somewhere else.There is no need for you to be struggling st all.It seems she is very controlling verging on abuse in my opinion.I would get out and out fast.

overthinkersanonnymus · 11/01/2025 17:26

Jesus this is so sad! Divorce her and find happiness for yourself.

She's not your child or responsibility, she's a grown woman and earns a decent salary to be able to support herself.

Good luck and I hope you break free

Maccar305 · 22/01/2025 10:25

@Notsuchaniceguy,

If we were sat together, having a drink, I'd say this to you.

You're not good for each other.
A lot of "poison" from day 1.

You think seeking your happiness is selfish.....actually, perhaps by leaving you are giving her space to find her own happiness.

You will not be poor.
Maybe less affluent, but not poor.
Get real. You've got a decent job...and probably a decent pension.

You are both clearly in a destructive spiral.....it probably won't end well unless one of you "grows a pair" and releases both of you from this destructive cycle.

Your round?

MoonWoman69 · 22/01/2025 10:34

Leave. Don't let guilt be the one thing that holds you there. You know it's not working, she's using financial manipulation to keep you there. She will manage perfectly fine if she sorts herself out.
Do you really want to be in this same situation 10 years down the line, when you're a lot older and have less time or ability to forge a new life?
Do it now and don't be manipulated any further.
Good luck 🍀

FasilBalti · 22/01/2025 10:55

Part of me knows we deserve to be together to pay for past sins.

I understand why you feel this way but (and I say this gently) any hurt caused by leaving your previous marriages is not offset by you staying in an unhappy situation now. It's not a set of scales. You won't absolve yourself of past actions by wearing a hair shirt now.

You don't need to discuss or agree to split. You don't need her permission. You know what to do. Set yourself free.

Notsuchaniceguy · 22/01/2025 22:25

FasilBalti · 22/01/2025 10:55

Part of me knows we deserve to be together to pay for past sins.

I understand why you feel this way but (and I say this gently) any hurt caused by leaving your previous marriages is not offset by you staying in an unhappy situation now. It's not a set of scales. You won't absolve yourself of past actions by wearing a hair shirt now.

You don't need to discuss or agree to split. You don't need her permission. You know what to do. Set yourself free.

Thank you and others for your replies. Part of my dilemma is that it is not awful all the time. if we do something together it can be OK. Cinema for example or a meal out is not unenjoyable. Thinking about it there are probably other people I'd prefer to go with but it is more fun than never doing the activity at all. Sometimes watching telly can be the same. Going places on holiday can be fine. There's always an undercurrent of tension, we can upset eachother easily and I think I walk on eggshells quite a bit but most interactions are manageable. Overall I'd say maybe 20% is good, 80% meh, 19% uncomfortable and 1% unpleasant with some moments that have been horrific. She says I'm a fool to think any relationship is really any better than this and all have moments when people are vile to eachother.

This was both our childhoods and she is not unkind or sarcastic or attacking because she delights in hurting me or occasionally others. It is a response to her pain of perceived rejection or humiliation. She feels rejected and unloved easily, because this is what her parents did. Her response is to fight back. Although she does not see it as I am easily hurt so I may misinterpret things as attacks. It is people pick on me and disrespect me and I must fight my ground.

I am not dissimilar. I have awful self esteem and easily feel worthless. My urge is to hide away.

Our emotional affair began because her need to be perfectly loved and adored responded to my need to be liked by everyone to avoid having to face my belief that I'm worthless. I 'go the extra mile' for people and as she said in marriage counselling, she became obsessed with me. I responded to the attention as it made me feel less worthless. Had we dated freely the cracks would have appeared before we were in too deep. But having destroyed two familes we had to make it work.

So here we are. I know I'd be happier single and poorer. She believes she will be sadder single and poorer. I don't see why I should increase my happiness at the expense of hers. She isn't a bad person, just like me she has behaved in bad ways to other people.

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VeryQuaintIrene · 22/01/2025 22:43

"She says I'm a fool to think any relationship is really any better than this and all have moments when people are vile to eachother."

That is completely untrue. In 17 years, MrsIrene and I have never been remotely vile to one another, even when the other is being annoying!

ForPearlViper · 22/01/2025 22:46

"That said, we would both be poor"

No you wouldn't given your individual salaries and, presumably, joint assets to be split. I'm prepare to be unpopular here when I say this is a whole pile of self-indulgent, naval gazing nonsense.

Do you make each other happy or not? Could you do anything constructive to make your relationship a happy one? If not, split up. If you can do something to sort it out, crack on.

MissJoGrant · 22/01/2025 22:51

You only get one life.

No do-over.
No re-reun.

One.

roastedrapidly · 22/01/2025 22:56

I have 3 thoughts:

Don't sentence yourself to a retirement / lifetime like this.

She can live on £40 (and do her own housework)

I wouldn't want anyone staying with me because of guilt.

username299 · 22/01/2025 22:56

Are you just looking to vent or would you like advice on how to leave?

teenmaw · 22/01/2025 22:57

Christ op just leave already. You have 20 good active years left in you go and enjoy yourself and stop being a martyr. If she's not happy you've left her because you're miserable then tough shit. Not your responsibility, it's her job to rebuild her life as much as it's your job to rebuild yours. Or you can look back at the last 20 years sitting in silence annoyed at how loud she crunches her popcorn at the cinema, entirely up to you.

Fibrous · 22/01/2025 23:00

Divorce. You sound like my dad, he’s in a similar situation. It’s no good for anyone. Just get on with it. She’ll be ok, as will you.

Screamingabdabz · 22/01/2025 23:06

Goodness what a lot of wasted life and energy on a way of life that is not healthy or affirming in any way. I’m amazed you’re late 50s. I thought people left this sort of drama back in their 20s.

My advice? Face up to it. Go to a solicitor. Work out an amicable arrangement that doesn’t leave you destitute but assuages your deep seated guilt. Move on. Do better.

Greyish2025 · 22/01/2025 23:16

Notsuchaniceguy · 22/01/2025 22:25

Thank you and others for your replies. Part of my dilemma is that it is not awful all the time. if we do something together it can be OK. Cinema for example or a meal out is not unenjoyable. Thinking about it there are probably other people I'd prefer to go with but it is more fun than never doing the activity at all. Sometimes watching telly can be the same. Going places on holiday can be fine. There's always an undercurrent of tension, we can upset eachother easily and I think I walk on eggshells quite a bit but most interactions are manageable. Overall I'd say maybe 20% is good, 80% meh, 19% uncomfortable and 1% unpleasant with some moments that have been horrific. She says I'm a fool to think any relationship is really any better than this and all have moments when people are vile to eachother.

This was both our childhoods and she is not unkind or sarcastic or attacking because she delights in hurting me or occasionally others. It is a response to her pain of perceived rejection or humiliation. She feels rejected and unloved easily, because this is what her parents did. Her response is to fight back. Although she does not see it as I am easily hurt so I may misinterpret things as attacks. It is people pick on me and disrespect me and I must fight my ground.

I am not dissimilar. I have awful self esteem and easily feel worthless. My urge is to hide away.

Our emotional affair began because her need to be perfectly loved and adored responded to my need to be liked by everyone to avoid having to face my belief that I'm worthless. I 'go the extra mile' for people and as she said in marriage counselling, she became obsessed with me. I responded to the attention as it made me feel less worthless. Had we dated freely the cracks would have appeared before we were in too deep. But having destroyed two familes we had to make it work.

So here we are. I know I'd be happier single and poorer. She believes she will be sadder single and poorer. I don't see why I should increase my happiness at the expense of hers. She isn't a bad person, just like me she has behaved in bad ways to other people.

Just separate, this marriage is never going to last the rest of your lifetimes so ye may as well rip the plaster off now while ye are still relatively young

You only live once and there is no point is just staying together out of guilt as you will majorly regret it when you are older, also being this unhappy will also begin to affect both of your health

StormingNorman · 22/01/2025 23:16

Your wife is abusive. Leave her and be happy. She’s told you she’s only with you for the money and you deserve better than that. She can afford to live on her £40k - that is nowhere near living in poverty.

You don’t have to pay for your past sins. And even if you did, you’re getting into the “less for murder” territory.

FasilBalti · 22/01/2025 23:37

Overall I'd say maybe 20% is good, 80% meh, 19% uncomfortable and 1% unpleasant with some moments that have been horrific.

If you had a sandwich with 1% dog shit in the filling would you still eat it because the rest is ok ish?

You don't seem to be quite at the jumping off point yet, Only you know the level of unpleasantness that will be the tipping point. Don't stay out of guilt. She has no idea what life after divorce would be like. She's focused on the worst case scenario to manipulate you. Generally people are happier out of a poor relationship. 💜

FasilBalti · 22/01/2025 23:51

I walk on eggshells quite a bit but most interactions are manageable.

This will be hell on earth when you retire

ThisIsMyYearToFindMyself · 26/01/2025 11:31

Blimey. Do everyone a favour and leave.

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