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Hopefullhopeful · 30/11/2022 18:40
Towards the end of my marriage my ex husband and I was going through fertility treatment of which I had to make some HUGE changes to accommodate. I knew I wanted a family but after a very stressful few years and some soul searching I came to the realisation that my situation at the time wasn't where I wanted to start and raise a family. So I left after 17years and started life all over again.
I met my current partner two years ago and made it clear early doors that I wanted a family but it wouldn't be as straightforward as it should due to my known fertility complications. He was accepting of this and agreed that in 18 months we'd revisit the idea of it and instead of "trying" we'd so contraception and see"what happens".
Due to years of actively trying I knew nothing would happen but understandably agreed that we could wait and give our relationship a bit more time.
Well.....
In July, whilst on holiday in Turkey I discovered I was pregnant. Unplanned & unexpected. I was overwhelmed and feeling 101 emotions. I actually kept myself in the bathroom for some time not knowing how to announce it.
When I did, the response wasn't what I wanted. The news was met with dred and the disclosure of my partner not wanting to go ahead with the pregnancy.
My world flipped on its head. I wanted this pregnancy more than anything. There was no alternative for me but as crazy in love as I was/am I understood if he wanted to keep his distance and not be involved.
For him that wasn't an option so onwards we went.
The pregnancy wasn't straight forward and shortly after getting out heartbeat scan/video I ended up miscarrying at home.
I have no words for how this emotionally tore me up. I knew because of how my partner felt that it was unlikely he'd want to try again but given the healing time (emotionally and physically) I left it be for a while (even if it's all I could think about)
Fast forward 5 months and a discussion on how we'd agreed on letting nature take its course with conceiving, my partner disclosed to me that he doesn't want children any time soon and that the previous pregnancy confirmed his feelings on it. He's very recently landed a good job after being self employed for quite some years and feels that only now is he able to enjoy his life financially after years of sacrificing.
Age wise, I'm 35 and he's 37. Time is not on my side, more so with the added fertility complications.
The dilemma. I love him. He's a great man. He treats me in a way I've never been treated, I feel protected by him, emotionally and physically, he's got the kindest soul and to top it his family are bloody lovely. He'd make a fantastic father but I have to completly appreciate his thoughts and journey are not the same as mine (which started long before he was even on the scene)
I feel terrified of living my life without the chance of atleast trying but that would have to be at the sacrifice of my relationship with him.
I guess my question is this.
Did you know you wanted to be a father? What were your fears? Would you change anything now if you could rewind time?
There's no magic wand and I know what my options are. I'm just looking for some light in this very dark, very lonely predicament.
Thanks for reading (and sorry for waffling on)
SinnerBoy · 01/12/2022 10:35
That's really awful, I really feel for you. We had our daughter through IVF and ICSI. After the first round of IVF, my wife conceived naturally, but the baby had Turners and died in the womb at 6 months.
Did you know you wanted to be a father? What were your fears?
I wanted to be a father, really really! I think that my biggest fear was having a disabled child. I also worried about how they'd turn out when older; would they make a good go of their life, or get in trouble with the Police, for example.
Your partner seems a bit strange, to me. Why would he not be up front from the start? Perhaps he was hoping that you wouldn't conceive and then sort of let it slide, for being too old? He may be great in other ways, but this is a major failing to lead you on so.
Isitsixoclockalready · 04/12/2022 14:03
Hopefullhopeful · 30/11/2022 18:40
Towards the end of my marriage my ex husband and I was going through fertility treatment of which I had to make some HUGE changes to accommodate. I knew I wanted a family but after a very stressful few years and some soul searching I came to the realisation that my situation at the time wasn't where I wanted to start and raise a family. So I left after 17years and started life all over again.
I met my current partner two years ago and made it clear early doors that I wanted a family but it wouldn't be as straightforward as it should due to my known fertility complications. He was accepting of this and agreed that in 18 months we'd revisit the idea of it and instead of "trying" we'd so contraception and see"what happens".
Due to years of actively trying I knew nothing would happen but understandably agreed that we could wait and give our relationship a bit more time.
Well.....
In July, whilst on holiday in Turkey I discovered I was pregnant. Unplanned & unexpected. I was overwhelmed and feeling 101 emotions. I actually kept myself in the bathroom for some time not knowing how to announce it.
When I did, the response wasn't what I wanted. The news was met with dred and the disclosure of my partner not wanting to go ahead with the pregnancy.
My world flipped on its head. I wanted this pregnancy more than anything. There was no alternative for me but as crazy in love as I was/am I understood if he wanted to keep his distance and not be involved.
For him that wasn't an option so onwards we went.
The pregnancy wasn't straight forward and shortly after getting out heartbeat scan/video I ended up miscarrying at home.
I have no words for how this emotionally tore me up. I knew because of how my partner felt that it was unlikely he'd want to try again but given the healing time (emotionally and physically) I left it be for a while (even if it's all I could think about)
Fast forward 5 months and a discussion on how we'd agreed on letting nature take its course with conceiving, my partner disclosed to me that he doesn't want children any time soon and that the previous pregnancy confirmed his feelings on it. He's very recently landed a good job after being self employed for quite some years and feels that only now is he able to enjoy his life financially after years of sacrificing.
Age wise, I'm 35 and he's 37. Time is not on my side, more so with the added fertility complications.
The dilemma. I love him. He's a great man. He treats me in a way I've never been treated, I feel protected by him, emotionally and physically, he's got the kindest soul and to top it his family are bloody lovely. He'd make a fantastic father but I have to completly appreciate his thoughts and journey are not the same as mine (which started long before he was even on the scene)
I feel terrified of living my life without the chance of atleast trying but that would have to be at the sacrifice of my relationship with him.
I guess my question is this.
Did you know you wanted to be a father? What were your fears? Would you change anything now if you could rewind time?
There's no magic wand and I know what my options are. I'm just looking for some light in this very dark, very lonely predicament.
Thanks for reading (and sorry for waffling on)
I'm really sorry to read what you have been going through. I knew that I wanted children. My first wife didn't and we just plodded along in our marriage until our mid 30s until it reached a point where we couldn't carry on with both having different outlooks. It wasn't something that could be compromised on and moving on was better for both of us. I've since remarried and have two children. I never had any doubts but then I never really knew quite what to expect. I've certainly never regretted it.
Hopefullhopeful · 04/12/2022 14:55
@Isitsixoclockalready thank you so much for responding. That's exactly what it feels like "plodding along". I'm happy in the moment and I truly do love him but the bigger picture is so far from where I want to be that it fills me with a sort of frustration that I inevitably feel towards him for not wanting the same thing but also in the expectation he has of me also. Almost like we're both being selfish because we love eachother so much.
Can I ask how long it took you to get into a new relationship? Were you of the same age? How long before you had your first?
Sorry for being nosey - just looking for hope I suppose!
picklemewalnuts · 04/12/2022 15:03
"When I did, the response wasn't what I wanted. The news was met with dred and the disclosure of my partner not wanting to go ahead with the pregnancy.
My world flipped on its head. I wanted this pregnancy more than anything. There was no alternative for me but as crazy in love as I was/am I understood if he wanted to keep his distance and not be involved. "
I find that really hard to reconcile with a 'great guy'.
He was having unprotected sex.
He knew you wanted children.
He knew you'd left a relationship based on your desire for children.
When you became pregnant he told you he didn't want it?
I'm amazed you got past that, to be honest. I'm sorry for your loss, and the hard fertility journey you've been on.
Ihavekids · 04/12/2022 15:11
I'm not a man either, sorry! But my husband was on the fence about kids until he met me, then wanted them before he got too old.
I'm so sorry OP, I think you'll have to end this relationship if you want kids that much. And this feeling is going to get stronger and stronger over the next few years for you.
I'm afraid this guy isn't the one for you.
Theskyisfallingdown · 04/12/2022 15:12
This boyfriend wanted you to abort, after he chose to impregnate you and has told you he doesn’t want a kid ‘anytime soon’ (which is precisely when you’d need to be conceiving), believe him. Look into other options, this bloke isn’t it. Is he still having unprotected sex with you? Because that is trying to conceive.
ThirtyThreeTrees · 04/12/2022 15:25
I'm not a man but struggling to see how you think he's so amazing.
He lied to you about wanting children despite knowing your background & how much you wanted them. When you then fell pregnant he behaved badly & yet he's still hanging around hoping that you won't get pregnant again. You know if you do, he'll behave the exact same way again.
In essence, you are trying to overcome your fertility challenges while he is essentially hoping that you won't.
He doesn't sound like a great guy at all.
Hopefullhopeful · 05/12/2022 01:32
@ThirtyThreeTrees
"In essence, you are trying to overcome your fertility challenges while he is essentially hoping that you won't. "
-that hit hard.
I know you're right. I absolutely know you're all right. I question whether I'm holding on to the only man I've been able to fall pregnant with because of that one fact. Yes I love him but I also know we're not on the same paths, so why do I stay? It's going to be a heartache whatever but one heartache ends in a chance of a happier ending perhaps.
Whilst I'm on the topic..... How long is the norm to date before bringing up the urgency of my situation? The prospect of dating and having to say "looking to try for kids pretty quick....so...." Seems insane but with my fertility issues and the miscarriage I'm terrified of missing my chance.
Christ, I sound crazy!
ThirtyThreeTrees · 05/12/2022 09:01
I'm sorry if my comment upset you. It's vey blunt in hindsight & I should have worded it better.
I have fertility issues myself & know the mix of emotions that go with it.
After years of resisting it, I went for counselling and it really helped me clear my head. My brain was fried from overthinking every possible scenario at the time. What if this? What if that? I was also angry at the position I found myself in.
I also went to a really good gynaecologist how spelt out everything for me. My changes, the challenges, risks etc. Ironically, I have a really high AMH for my age but it doesn't even help me.
You're not insane or crazy at all. It's a shit position to be in.
picklemewalnuts · 05/12/2022 09:39
Re dating, I think I'd have the conversation within a few dates. It's important in both directions- if he's dead keen, your difficulty may be a deal breaker. Obviously he may not want them at all. You are looking for a man that's happy either way.
I'd be tempted to start the process of doing it independently, and hope to meet someone in the meantime.
Johnny69 · 27/12/2022 00:23
@Hopefullhopeful having read your words and the difficult time you have had, as well as the responses I wanted to try to answer your questions.
I had an ex who got pregnant unexpectedly, and decided we were too young, 19 and 18, so had an abortion, which broke me even at 19. That was part of why we split, then met who would become my wife and I already knew I wanted children and lots. So when we were getting serious and felt it would be long term then we decided to let nature take its course and went on the have 3 children.
Every year around September, as that is when the baby would have been born, I think about what could have been and wonder how the baby would have become an adult, what she would have looked like, as I felt it was a girl, silly I know.
I don't regret things in a way, as it was a nasty end to a relationship and would have meant staying in contact with her etc but do wish the baby had been born as well.
I didn't want to waste and chance or possibility of having children after that experience, just in case it would never happen, so I would say if it's something you want so badly, do what you can to make it happen and if that means with someone else, ultimately you have to decide if having a baby is more important than being with him, as it may come down to that.
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