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Cycling (rural) with 4 yo and baby

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snufkin84 · 25/08/2022 15:16

Hello,

I'm expecting baby #2 at the end of December and looking for advice on what's safe and realistic in terms of getting out and about in the countryside while on mat leave with a 4 year-old and a baby. I won't have access to our car during the week as DH will need to use it for work. We live in a village with good local amenities and bus services to larger towns, but many of the woods and beaches we like to get out to are only reachable by car/bike (10-30 min cycle on rural roads and paths).

As far as I can work out the options are:

  • Baby in bike seat mounted on my bike, with DD on her own tag-a-long bike. However DD can't yet use a pedal bike and even on her balance bike her steering is pretty erratic. At the moment she's in a Hamax rear-mounted bike seat but I don't think I'd feel confident cycling with her on the back and baby in a front-mounted seat as well. I also think baby can't go in a bike seat until 9 months?
  • Both kids in a bike trailer. I like the idea of a trailer, especially as it could double up as a pushchair for the little one, but from what I understand you can only put babies in them from 12 months.
  • Cargo bike with either a baby seat insert or an attachment for a car seat. It sounds like these can be used from 3 months though this mum claims to have used one at 5 weeks! However aside from the eye-watering expense, I'm not sure how well-suited a cargo bike loaded up with two kids would be for the kind of cycling I have in mind (it's not super hilly where I am, but not exactly flat either).

Am I totally mad for even considering this?!

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morningstarz · 29/08/2022 17:51

Not at all - assuming you are UK based, you’d find it was the norm in countries like Germany and Denmark.

You can put babies in trailers from very young (be prepared for tutting and eye rolling here though). DS was in the Burley from 4 months. I got a ‘baby snuggler’ from Burley, specifically designed for tiny ones. Thule do similar.

I’ve only ever towed one child. However, l still occasionally take DS now 5.5 for a trailer ride - so weight would be similar with the larger trailer and combined weight of two kids. Make sure you get a decent trailer. They are much lighter, fold easily and most importantly handle extremely well (towed him down French/ Spanish mountain descents, and handled like a dream round hairpins at speed). If you plan to tow regularly it’s definitely worth the investment. We’ll never get rid of ours, as it’ll come in handy for transporting luggage when we cycle tour (once DS is a bit stronger/older and can cope with longer rides independently peddling). Like you say you could also use it as a buggy… but it’d be a bit tougher with a double trailer for that. I used the Burley as a buggy for a while… but preferred a sling as it was just easier where I live!

Trailers are just easier all round. Doesn’t matter if the weather turns, or it’s super sunny as the contents are properly enclosed. You can carry all manner of crap too in the cargo storage area - picnic, balance bike (🤣😂), toys, books. I’ve done thousands of miles with mine and never once thought “ooh, I’d be better with a seat.”

I’d really recommend looking at the Two Wheeling Tots and Cycle Sprog websites. They both take a no nonsense, sensible and practical approach to transporting kids by bike. Also to kids cycling.

DS rides his own bike now (he’s been peddling since 2.5). But even now at 5.5… I could not envisage him reliably peddling any distance. He’ll manage about 4 miles. DP and I live on our bikes, so it’s a normal everyday thing for him. So at 4 trailer! No point making life hard. I always find the towing time gives me some headspace and ‘me time’ which you won’t have if you’re herding a 4 year old. I do have a Followme Tandem (waaaay better than the trailgators and various other crappy gadgets) which attaches to my bike and his and I tow him from. He loves that. It’s super safe and stable. At 4, he’d have a tendency to start dropping off to sleep on it though 🙈🙄 But you still need to pop baby somewhere and all the ‘stuff’ you have to take for an outing with kids. So a trailer just seems easier. Mine handles well off road too - so gravelly paths. Forestry Commission fire roads kinda thing. Used it on some tame blue routes at trail centres too.

Cargo bikes feel pointless, although they seem to be all the rage for transporting at least three kids short distances in Germany. Again, I never thought I needed one (and I have a huge stable of bikes and love an ‘excuse’ for an extra).

snufkin84 · 31/08/2022 10:48

@morningstarz Thank you so much - this is so helpful! Will definitely check those two websites out, and really interested to hear that your vote goes strongly for trailer rather than cargo bike or bike seat.

My main hesitation about trailers was that the ones I've looked at - even the ones that come with dedicated baby seats like the Burley Honey Bee - say that you should only put baby in them while cycling (as opposed to walking/jogging with the trailer as a buggy) once they can sit up with a helmet on, which likely won't be until sometime between 9-12 months. By that point my daughter will be approaching 5 1/2, so the time during which they could both fit in the trailer comfortably might be rather limited. I know these recommendations often just mean that manufacturers haven't tested safety for younger kids, not that it's actually unsafe - so I'm particularly interested to hear that you put your DS in the baby snuggler from 4 months. Obviously it's a bit of a judgment call but did you stick to smooth roads/ tarmaced paths until they were older?

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alrightfella · 31/08/2022 11:11

Do you have cycle paths?

We live fairly rurally and there is absolutely no way i would be cycling on the country roads around me with kids in any kind of trailer. Sadly I find that these kind of roads are perfect for people driving badly at high speeds, overtaking on the wrong side of the road etc.

morningstarz · 31/08/2022 17:57

Nope! Didn’t stick to smooth roads!! I live near miles of gravelly bumpy trails. Used the baby snuggler for buggy mode too as DS just looked more comfortable. I never had the jogger wheel, but it wouldn’t have crossed my mind not to use a jogger wheel/ baby snuggler when he was tiny (I’m just not really much of a runner). When you try one out (or maybe look on YouTube) you’ll appreciate how well they work.

In terms of helmets - I never bothered in the trailer. They have a role cage and are completely tethered in. That said you can get helmets with flat backs (Giro Scamp), but, you’d also need a trailer that provides space for the helmet. Otherwise their heads get pushed forward. They tend to nap a lot in the trailer.

Check out the weight limit on the trailers - they are pretty high. I worked out DS could ride in it until about 7 (at current weight gain rate) 😱😱 Although your older one will be at school soon, so I guess it’d limit the usefulness of having a double trailer. Like most quality child cycling products, trailers do have a good resale value. So if you got a decent secondhand double, sold it on once your oldest starts school and got a single. I know with the Burleys you can transport one child in a double (the harness can be moved to the centre).

I also don’t hesitate at cycling on roads with the trailer (previous comment) it’s often the only way to get to the trails for starters. That comment is a good example how cycling with kids just isn’t normalised here! Thing is, unless you plan to ban them from cycling, they have to use a road at some point 🤷‍♀️ I actually towed DS over Mt Ventoux when he was 20 months 💪 He slept, I blooming loved it. Obviously there are some roads I would avoid, or hop on the pavement. I would also pop a super bright (in day light) flashy red light on the back of the trailer. Annoyingly drivers tend to give way more space when I’m towing. I say annoyingly because it’s absolutely OK to do a close pass / drive like a knob when I’m on my own 🤷‍♀️🙄

stargirl1701 · 31/08/2022 18:00

We live rurally. The roads have a 60 mph limit and a vast variety of vehicles - tractors, combines, log lorries, HGVs, vans, etc. I would not be happy cycling alongside vehicles like that combined with high speed cars.

alrightfella · 31/08/2022 18:05

@morningstarz but countries where cycling is normalised tend to have a vast array of purpose built cycling lanes from experience! If we had that here maybe more people would. However like stargirl the country roads around me are 60 mph where people do that and much more.

IkaBaar · 31/08/2022 18:08

You need to join the Family Cycling Uk group on Facebook, you’ll get some advice there.

The baby in a car seat in a trailer/box bike might be an option?

snufkin84 · 31/08/2022 20:26

Thanks, everyone. The roads round me are mostly pretty safe - the only one that gets properly busy has a cycle path on the pavement. I'm used to cycling around with DD in her bike seat and it's been fine. I'm more concerned about the impact on a small baby's neck of bumping along farm tracks and forest trails than I am about road traffic tbh.... And wondering if it's worth investing in a trailer or if I should just hold off cycling with baby until DD is in school (next August - we're in Scotland so she'll start at 5) and just stick him in our existing rear mounted bike seat. The prospect of only being able to go as far from the house as a 4yo is willing to walk, 5 days a week, is making me feel tempted though!

Anyone have any experience to share of using a cargo bike outside of a city?

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morningstarz · 01/09/2022 20:27

I also live rurally (big national park). Roads round me have 60mph speed limits too 🤷‍♀️ Would I drive at 60 on them? Is it even possible? When I drive on them (like anyone else), I’m half expecting to see walkers, cyclists or horse riders, or, even a car coming the other way. These roads tend to be pretty quiet to boot, so super pleasant for cycling (and towing!). Certainly never experienced any issues with tractor drivers, combine drivers etc weather I’ve been towing or not. Not sure where in the country some of you live, but it sounds pretty grotty if people drive that badly you are in fear of cycling your local roads!! I knock out 5-6,000 miles a year (mainly locally) and have never had an issue on rural roads. More major trunk roads, yes, (‘only’ deliberate close passes) but not the lanes.

lljkk · 05/09/2022 15:09

Mine grizzled (very unhappy) on rough track (when in trailer) before 8-9 months.
i imagine putting a car seat in trailer & having the big one on a bike seat, but depends how big is big one. Mine were titchy.

snufkin84 · 06/09/2022 11:48

So, I managed to pick up a pre-loved Burley Honey Bee with infant insert locally for just under £200.... going to give it a go when baby is a few months old and see how it goes. Thank you all for your replies and advice!

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Madetothrive · 04/08/2023 21:55

Toddler bike seat recommendations

I've just recently got into cycling and am looking into the best way to bring my 3 year old with me!

I've looked at rear mounted seats but i don't know how content she would be at the back. I have seen front mounted seats also but don't know anyone who has one to see if they are a good job or not! I just feel she might be happier to see the road ahead 🤷

Just looking for anyone who has experience with either to help with my deciding

Thanks in advance!

lljkk · 24/08/2023 15:03

front seats always look more precarious and they are much colder for the child who gets full windchill. But you can have a nicer chat.

I used many brands of rear seats, some reclined, all a much sameness.

ZacharinaQuack · 24/08/2023 15:25

In some countries it's illegal to have children in bike trailers without a helmet. So you wouldn't be able to put the baby in because you can't get helmets for tiny babies. My understanding is that the infant seats do provide enough protection for their necks, hence why it's fine to run with the trailer (normal running buggies say 6 months plus). In the UK helmets are not mandatory so it's up to you what level of risk you're comfortable with in the trailer.

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